On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
I don't normally do this but, as it happens, I recently saw a film
based on the story that I really liked: >>><https://www.amazon.com/review/R3M5UVI9YLBC4D/ref=3D3Dcm_cr_srp_d_rdp_p= >erm?=3D
ie=3D3DUTF8>
These films all face (or faced?) a similar problem: how do you show,
on the silver screen, a color that is different from all known colors?
You shoot it in black and white and rely entirely on the protagonist's >>verbal description.
And I have seen an Italian version that did just that.=20
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:colors?
On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:erm?=3D3D
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott >>>>Dorsey) wrote:
I don't normally do this but, as it happens, I recently saw a film >>>>based on the story that I really liked: >>>><https://www.amazon.com/review/R3M5UVI9YLBC4D/ref=3D3D3Dcm_cr_srp_d_r= dp_p=3D
ie=3D3D3DUTF8>
These films all face (or faced?) a similar problem: how do you show,
on the silver screen, a color that is different from all known =
You shoot it in black and white and rely entirely on the protagonist's >>>verbal description.
And I have seen an Italian version that did just that.=3D20
Do you have any info on where I could find it? I absolutely have to
see that, and maybe I need to run it at Boskone too.
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 07:37:35 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
| This news item about a "color no one has seen before"
| https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/18/scientists-claim-to-have-
| found-colour-no-one-has-seen-before
| (or https://tinyurl.com/3hmdzjmk )
| brought to mind a short story from no later than 1956 about something
| similar, except that, as I recall, it was an attribute of some
| kind of object.
OK, it doesn't meet the time or object requirements, but there is
"The Colour of Magic" by Terry Pratchett. Said colour being Octarine.
On 21/04/2025 07:42, Paul Colquhoun wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 07:37:35 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
<mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
| This news item about a "color no one has seen before"
| https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/18/scientists-claim-to-
have-
| found-colour-no-one-has-seen-before
| (or https://tinyurl.com/3hmdzjmk )
| brought to mind a short story from no later than 1956 about something
| similar, except that, as I recall, it was an attribute of some
| kind of object.
OK, it doesn't meet the time or object requirements, but there is
"The Colour of Magic" by Terry Pratchett. Said colour being Octarine.
Also not an answer, but the same author's title
_The Light Fantastic_ refers to...ÿ I've forgotten
where, how, and why it's described, but he offers
a sort of un-light which is darker than darkness
in the same way that light isn't.ÿ Or something
like that.ÿ The wizard Rincewind is familiar
with it.
I think there must have been other stories with
a colour not known on Earth, just as with strange
chemical elements.ÿ In fact, science expects or
observes that matter throughout the universe is
the aame stuff that we already have - except for
the famous dark matter, of course.ÿ However, there
are real forms of light (infra-red, ultra-violet)
that our eyes don't respond to.ÿ But our eyes don't
respond to them.
On 21/04/2025 07:42, Paul Colquhoun wrote:Others have mentioned (again, I suppose, as it was surely mentioned
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 07:37:35 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
| This news item about a "color no one has seen before"
| https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/18/scientists-claim-to-have- >> | found-colour-no-one-has-seen-before
| (or https://tinyurl.com/3hmdzjmk )
| brought to mind a short story from no later than 1956 about something
| similar, except that, as I recall, it was an attribute of some
| kind of object.
OK, it doesn't meet the time or object requirements, but there is
"The Colour of Magic" by Terry Pratchett. Said colour being Octarine.
Also not an answer, but the same author's title
_The Light Fantastic_ refers to... I've forgotten
where, how, and why it's described, but he offers
a sort of un-light which is darker than darkness
in the same way that light isn't. Or something
like that. The wizard Rincewind is familiar
with it.
I think there must have been other stories with
a colour not known on Earth, just as with strange
chemical elements. In fact, science expects or
observes that matter throughout the universe is
the aame stuff that we already have - except for
the famous dark matter, of course. However, there
are real forms of light (infra-red, ultra-violet)
that our eyes don't respond to. But our eyes don't
respond to them.
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:24:42 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21/04/2025 07:42, Paul Colquhoun wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 07:37:35 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
| This news item about a "color no one has seen before"
| https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/18/scientists-claim-to-have- >>> | found-colour-no-one-has-seen-before
| (or https://tinyurl.com/3hmdzjmk )
| brought to mind a short story from no later than 1956 about something
| similar, except that, as I recall, it was an attribute of some
| kind of object.
OK, it doesn't meet the time or object requirements, but there is
"The Colour of Magic" by Terry Pratchett. Said colour being Octarine.
Also not an answer, but the same author's title
_The Light Fantastic_ refers to... I've forgotten
where, how, and why it's described, but he offers
a sort of un-light which is darker than darkness
in the same way that light isn't. Or something
like that. The wizard Rincewind is familiar
with it.
I think there must have been other stories with
a colour not known on Earth, just as with strange
chemical elements. In fact, science expects or
observes that matter throughout the universe is
the aame stuff that we already have - except for
the famous dark matter, of course. However, there
are real forms of light (infra-red, ultra-violet)
that our eyes don't respond to. But our eyes don't
respond to them.
Others have mentioned (again, I suppose, as it was surely mentioned
last April) "The Colour Out of Space" -- which people could see but
which was no color previously known to man.
Lovecraft, BTW, did not believe that physics was the same everywhere.
At least when writing his stories, that is. That is why the aliens are
so hard to describe. Or look at.
This probably doesn't count as a "story", but a "trailer" stuck on one
of my DVDs (I think, although, to be sure, a BD would make more sense)
claims that, just as BDs produce more colors than DVDs, so 4K BDs
produce still more. Presumably, they are talking about shades:
slightly lighter or slightly darker reds, yellows, etc.
After using my Naviskauto <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DVVBNR?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title>
for the second year, I finally watched a BD on it.
I bought this for hot evenings when I wanted to keep my bedroom as
cool (in the sense of, say, mid-80s rather than mid-90s) as possible.
So it is only used a few evenings a year and, up to that point, only
DVDs had been up for watching that evening.
I have seen this BD on my normal equipment (ie, converted to S-Video)
many times, yet I noticed no new colors. The Naviskauto had a full
BD-capable screen, BTW.
Contrast this with digital VHS versus analog VHS, where the difference
was clear [1], or DVD vs VHS (when I got to the point where I was
using composite video I was actually seeing the Wormsign on the older
/Dune/ movie for the first time in a decade or more): when the
difference is /real/, you can see it. When you can't see it, it isn't
real.
This is an example of Marketing run amok.
[1] In at least one case, /Ben-Hur/, I found that the DVD
digitally-mastered version looked exactly like the VHS
digitally-mastered version it replaced. A lot of the visual
improvement on DVDs is due to being digitally transferred. But the
sound is better and, with normal packaging, I can store two DVD/BD
discs in the space formerly occupied by one VHS tape.
On 9/2/25 08:35, Paul S Person wrote:There is a film, /The Cabin in the Woods/, which propounds a different
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 02:24:42 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21/04/2025 07:42, Paul Colquhoun wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 07:37:35 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
| This news item about a "color no one has seen before"
| https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/18/scientists-claim-to-have-
| found-colour-no-one-has-seen-before
| (or https://tinyurl.com/3hmdzjmk )
| brought to mind a short story from no later than 1956 about something >>>> | similar, except that, as I recall, it was an attribute of some
| kind of object.
OK, it doesn't meet the time or object requirements, but there is
"The Colour of Magic" by Terry Pratchett. Said colour being Octarine.
Also not an answer, but the same author's title
_The Light Fantastic_ refers to... I've forgotten
where, how, and why it's described, but he offers
a sort of un-light which is darker than darkness
in the same way that light isn't. Or something
like that. The wizard Rincewind is familiar
with it.
I think there must have been other stories with
a colour not known on Earth, just as with strange
chemical elements. In fact, science expects or
observes that matter throughout the universe is
the aame stuff that we already have - except for
the famous dark matter, of course. However, there
are real forms of light (infra-red, ultra-violet)
that our eyes don't respond to. But our eyes don't
respond to them.
Others have mentioned (again, I suppose, as it was surely mentioned
last April) "The Colour Out of Space" -- which people could see but
which was no color previously known to man.
Lovecraft, BTW, did not believe that physics was the same everywhere.
At least when writing his stories, that is. That is why the aliens are
so hard to describe. Or look at.
This probably doesn't count as a "story", but a "trailer" stuck on one
of my DVDs (I think, although, to be sure, a BD would make more sense)
claims that, just as BDs produce more colors than DVDs, so 4K BDs
produce still more. Presumably, they are talking about shades:
slightly lighter or slightly darker reds, yellows, etc.
After using my Naviskauto
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DVVBNR?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title>
for the second year, I finally watched a BD on it.
I bought this for hot evenings when I wanted to keep my bedroom as
cool (in the sense of, say, mid-80s rather than mid-90s) as possible.
So it is only used a few evenings a year and, up to that point, only
DVDs had been up for watching that evening.
I have seen this BD on my normal equipment (ie, converted to S-Video)
many times, yet I noticed no new colors. The Naviskauto had a full
BD-capable screen, BTW.
Contrast this with digital VHS versus analog VHS, where the difference
was clear [1], or DVD vs VHS (when I got to the point where I was
using composite video I was actually seeing the Wormsign on the older
/Dune/ movie for the first time in a decade or more): when the
difference is /real/, you can see it. When you can't see it, it isn't
real.
This is an example of Marketing run amok.
[1] In at least one case, /Ben-Hur/, I found that the DVD
digitally-mastered version looked exactly like the VHS
digitally-mastered version it replaced. A lot of the visual
improvement on DVDs is due to being digitally transferred. But the
sound is better and, with normal packaging, I can store two DVD/BD
discs in the space formerly occupied by one VHS tape.
.Lovecraft's aliens are from other universes or times when the rules of >nature have changed. Sometimes they communicate with humans via
dreamlike visions and at the others the most malevolent are waiting for the >chance to be freed from containment and the star stones are a means to
force them back. But when the stars are right for the ancient god-like >monsters they will return and we won't like it at all.
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