• (Worst) Robert A. Heinlein by William H. Patterson

    From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Aug 19 23:07:11 2025
    Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century by William H. Patterson

    A two-volume look at a prominent 20th century SF author.

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 22 04:08:49 2025
    On 19/08/2025 08.07, James Nicoll wrote:
    Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century by William H. Patterson

    A two-volume look at a prominent 20th century SF author.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-state-of-things

    I love footnote 6!

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 22 07:38:57 2025
    On 8/19/2025 8:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century by William H. Patterson

    A two-volume look at a prominent 20th century SF author.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-state-of-things

    Do you count "Grumbles From The Grave" by Virginia Heinlein as a
    biography or an autobiography ?
    https://www.amazon.com/Grumbles-Grave-Robert-Heinlein/dp/0345369416

    I read this a long time ago but have a copy for rereading in my SBR some
    day.

    Lynn


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 22 08:31:22 2025
    On 8/21/2025 1:08 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 08.07, James Nicoll wrote:
    Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century by William H. Patterson

    A two-volume look at a prominent 20th century SF author.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-state-of-things

    I love footnote 6!

    How many Heinlein biographies are there ?

    Lynn


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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 23 01:37:35 2025
    On 8/21/25 2:08 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 19/08/2025 08.07, James Nicoll wrote:
    Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century by William H. Patterson

    A two-volume look at a prominent 20th century SF author.

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-state-of-things

    I love footnote 6!


    A good one indeed.

    Many long-time posters here will remember that Mr Patterson was here in
    rasfw for many years. I remember two things about that:
    - he posted on a wide variety of topics
    - he was mostly amiable, or at least neutral, except when it came to
    anything related to Heinlein

    Tony

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  • From Ahasuerus@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 24 02:48:48 2025
    On 8/22/2025 11:37 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
    Many long-time posters here will remember that Mr Patterson was here in rasfw for many years. I remember two things about that:
    - he posted on a wide variety of topics
    - he was mostly amiable, or at least neutral, except when it came to anything related to Heinlein

    Bill was, indeed, a big fan of all things Heinlein, "publisher of The
    Heinlein Journal, Founding President of the Heinlein Society" (https://heinleinsociety.org/heinlein-journal/bill-patterson/), etc.
    Which is exactly why he was chosen to write this authorized -- emphasis
    on *authorized* biography.

    As I wrote a while back:

    The author, Bill Patterson, used to hang out on Usenet and we had a
    number of interesting conversations back in the 1990s-2000s, so I knew
    that he was knowledgeable and that he had access to the Heinlein archives.

    As expected, the biography turned out to be very informative, but you
    have to keep in mind that it's an *authorized* biography. You don't buy
    an authorized biography expecting a comprehensive account with a
    balanced presentation of all sides of each issue. You buy it because the author had access to family archives and other hard to get sources.

    Even keeping this in mind, there were sections where I thought that
    Bill was unduly dismissive of certain people, e.g. Alexei Panshin, a
    Heinlein correspondent-turned-critic and SF author. Luckily, we now have
    both Heinlein's side of the story and Panshin's side of the story (and
    even Earl Kemp's side of the story), so readers can draw their own conclusions.

    In addition, Bill was limited by restrictions explicitly imposed by
    Virginia. As Bill explained in footnote 1, Appendix 2, Volume 2:

    "In the case of this biography in particular, Mrs. Heinlein told me
    early on that, while there were things she would not care to have
    written about or published while she was alive (since they might cause
    her social difficulties if known), once she was gone she did not care
    any longer."

    Appendix 2 contains a fair number of "things she would not care to have written about". It is mostly based on documents provided by Grace Dugan
    Sang (later Mrs. Howard Wurtz) after Virginia's death and the appearance
    of the first volume of the biography.

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  • From John Savard@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Aug 26 15:53:51 2025
    It was helpful to learn from the comments that Heinlein made the
    forgivable error of confusing Iwo Jima with Saipan, rather than making up
    a massacre that never happened out of whole cloth.

    Definitely, though, the description given of this biography does indeed
    show it to be flawed in the manner that James Nicoll indicates, despite
    this minor oversight on his part.

    That the other biographies of Heinlein of which he knows are, without exception, less than objective... is regrettable. But understandable,
    given that Heinlein's political views make him a polarizing author. That
    _and_ his great talent. Together, these lead to a situation where those
    who don't find his politics unacceptable enough to loathe him end up
    adulating him.

    John Savard

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