• Clarke Award 2012

    From James Nicoll@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Sep 1 11:18:27 2025

    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic, and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen.

    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.


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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Sep 1 13:41:01 2025
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.


    Is that a first?

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic, and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen.

    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.



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  • From Michael F. Stemper@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 04:54:29 2025
    On 31/08/2025 20.18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic, and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen.

    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Only the Stross. Only twice (so far).

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Economists have correctly predicted seven of the last three recessions.


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  • From William Hyde@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 07:50:20 2025
    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.


    Is that a first?

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic, >> and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British
    educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen. >>
    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.

    Other than that, only the Mieville.

    William Hyde



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  • From Stephen Harker@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 13:19:47 2025
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.

    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.


    --
    Stephen Harker sjharker@aussiebroadband.com.au

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 13:40:09 2025
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com



    On 9/1/25 20:19, Stephen Harker wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.

    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.

    Everyone who wants to must read the "Laundry Files" stories and novels.
    The Laundry was given that name when an earlier HQ was above a Chinese
    Laundry. The files contain the stories of several agents who confront sourcerous
    villainy. The horrid creatures that are actually the basis of the
    Unicorn legends
    and mentions of the World Wars and in WW II where a lot of the UK
    sorcerors
    died in conflict with the German sorcerors. The senior agent in most
    of these
    is also an avatar of the Eater of Souls and horrid as the idea sounds
    there are
    even worse things being summoned. When that man dies(?) his trainee who
    is a field agent inherits the EoS. I loved his stuff though it
    ultimately seems
    to be rather nihilistic but read them and decide for your self.
    The modern Laundry is a part of the London Metropolitan Police which
    is not too happy about the connection.

    bliss



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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 14:57:40 2025
    On 2/09/25 15:19, Stephen Harker wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.

    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.

    (I looked up my list of books read.)
    Halting State was an enjoyable three star read for me.
    Rule 34 was a two star time waster.
    The Atrocity Archives (Laundry Files 1) was not finished with the only
    comment being "Too glib".
    Family Trade (Merchant Princes 1). Two stars.
    Accelerando. I have had two unsuccessful attempts at reading this.

    I have read these books because of favourable comments here but
    obviously Stross is not for me and I should have stopped sooner.

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  • From Titus G@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 14:57:51 2025
    On 2/09/25 15:40, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip

    Re Stross.

    I loved his stuff though it
    ultimately seems
    ˙to be rather nihilistic but read them and decide for your self.

    I wish I had thought of that. That is exactly why I don't like his
    writing. Just random nonsense and lengthy descriptions of blood and guts.

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  • From Stephen Harker@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Sep 2 15:51:20 2025
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 9/1/25 20:19, Stephen Harker wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.
    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant
    Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.

    Everyone who wants to must read the "Laundry Files" stories and novels.
    The Laundry was given that name when an earlier HQ was above a Chinese
    Laundry. The files contain the stories of several agents who confront
    sourcerous
    [...]
    but read them and decide for your self.
    The modern Laundry is a part of the London Metropolitan Police which
    is not too happy about the connection

    _The Apocalypse Codex_, mentioned above, is the fourth Laundry book. I
    had read that far (and actually started _The Rhesus Chart_) but got more
    and more uninterested. The early books I enjoyed. I did not finish
    _The Family Trade_ either. So I stopped reading Stross.

    --
    Stephen Harker sjharker@aussiebroadband.com.au

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  • From scott@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 2 15:02:50 2025
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.


    Is that a first?

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic, >>> and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British >>> educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen. >>>
    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes.

    I enjoyed the first merchant princes book. They grew less
    interesting when the US adminstration started tossing nukes
    around. While I firmly believed, at the time, that Bush and
    Cheney were the worst thing to happen to the US with respect
    to pretty much everything, I didn't anticpate the current clown show.



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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Tue Sep 2 11:34:20 2025


    On 9/2/25 08:02, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.


    Is that a first?

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic,
    and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British >>>> educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen.

    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes.

    I enjoyed the first merchant princes book. They grew less
    interesting when the US adminstration started tossing nukes
    around. While I firmly believed, at the time, that Bush and
    Cheney were the worst thing to happen to the US with respect
    to pretty much everything, I didn't anticpate the current clown show.

    .No one expected the current clown show but maybe the authors of
    the Project 2025 book.

    .So far there is no satisfactory conclusion to the Merchant Princes series
    in the next few universes over where Imperial Russia is getting ready to confront the Colonies in rebellion on the North American continent and
    the USA in our univese is following the MP actors into the new universe
    with nuclear weapons at the ready. I won't give away why the USA
    is upset but if it happened to this universe we would be very upset.

    .Stross with the Laundry Files may have written himself into a corner
    then turned around and done the same with the Merchant Prince series.
    He might have to do fictional Universes interpenetration to resolve the problems and create newer, more horrible problems. Some people
    don't understand that is basically what the series are about is solving problems.

    .bliss

    .bliss


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  • From davidd0002@3:633/10 to All on Wed Sep 3 07:06:41 2025
    Stephen Harker <sjharker@aussiebroadband.com.au> wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 9/1/25 20:19, Stephen Harker wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have >>>>> finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.
    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant
    Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.

    Everyone who wants to must read the "Laundry Files" stories and novels.
    The Laundry was given that name when an earlier HQ was above a Chinese
    Laundry. The files contain the stories of several agents who confront
    sourcerous
    [...]
    but read them and decide for your self.
    The modern Laundry is a part of the London Metropolitan Police which >> is not too happy about the connection

    _The Apocalypse Codex_, mentioned above, is the fourth Laundry book. I
    had read that far (and actually started _The Rhesus Chart_) but got more
    and more uninterested. The early books I enjoyed. I did not finish
    _The Family Trade_ either. So I stopped reading Stross.


    _Iron Sunrise_ and _Glasshouse_ are good IMHO - earlier works.
    Cheers, David Duffy.

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Wed Sep 3 08:09:42 2025
    On Tue, 02 Sep 2025 15:02:50 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.


    Is that a first?

    2012: O2 offers free wifi to multitudes, which I only now realize may
    have been referenced in Kingsman, researchers determine that despite
    a century having passed, the Titanic remains at the bottom of the Atlantic,
    and in a glorious celebration of the effectiveness of the modern British >>>> educational system, doctors must warn Britons not to drink liquid nitrogen.

    The Testament of Jessie Lamb by Jane Rogers
    Embassytown by China Mieville
    Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
    Rule 34 by Charles Stross
    The Postmortal by Drew Magary
    The Waters Rising by Sheri S. Tepper

    Just the Bear, the Stross, and *sigh* the Tepper.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have
    finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes.

    I enjoyed the first merchant princes book. They grew less
    interesting when the US adminstration started tossing nukes
    around. While I firmly believed, at the time, that Bush and
    Cheney were the worst thing to happen to the US with respect
    to pretty much everything, I didn't anticpate the current clown show.

    "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition".
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Don_from_AZ@3:633/10 to All on Wed Sep 3 09:21:34 2025
    davidd0002@proton.me (David Duffy) writes:

    Stephen Harker <sjharker@aussiebroadband.com.au> wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 9/1/25 20:19, Stephen Harker wrote:
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

    Titus G wrote:
    On 1/09/25 13:18, James Nicoll wrote:
    I will be too busy to post tomorrow.

    The Mieville was great but I bounced off the Stross and may not have >>>>>> finished it.

    The Stross brought me back to Stross after I had bounced off the
    merchant princes. Then I read his backlist.
    Interesting: Istopped reading Stross after the first Merchant
    Princes
    and _The Apocalypse Codex_, so maybe I should try some of his other
    works such as this.

    Everyone who wants to must read the "Laundry Files" stories and novels.
    The Laundry was given that name when an earlier HQ was above a Chinese
    Laundry. The files contain the stories of several agents who confront
    sourcerous
    [...]
    but read them and decide for your self.
    The modern Laundry is a part of the London Metropolitan Police which >>> is not too happy about the connection

    _The Apocalypse Codex_, mentioned above, is the fourth Laundry book. I
    had read that far (and actually started _The Rhesus Chart_) but got more
    and more uninterested. The early books I enjoyed. I did not finish
    _The Family Trade_ either. So I stopped reading Stross.


    _Iron Sunrise_ and _Glasshouse_ are good IMHO - earlier works.
    Cheers, David Duffy.
    _Iron Sunrise_ was part of his Eschaton series, which also included _Singularity Sky_. I liked _Glasshouse_ and _Accelerando_ of his
    stand-alone novels, but did not care for _Scratch Monkey_. Liked
    _Halting State_ and _Rule 34_.

    I've read all the Laundry Files series and am part way into the
    follow-on Tales of the New Management series.

    Bounced off of the Merchant Princes after the second one.

    I thought the Saturn's Children series was too anthropomorphic for a
    society entirely consisting of robots and androids. There should have
    been more diversion from human customs and mores in the time frame of
    the setting.
    --
    -Don_from_AZ-

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