• Tippy toeing towards trash talk

    From Don@3:633/10 to All on Sun Nov 30 15:57:57 2025
    As TOLSTOY ON SHAKESPEARE's ruthlessly rich revelry recedes into memory
    it makes me hanker for something similar yet different. In the curious
    case of le Carr‚ and Forsyth, it turns out the taletelling tickles me
    more than tales told by the two.

    "James [Fox] requested I ask you this 'cheeky question': was
    John le Carr‚ a double agent from the start?"

    Questions about the late espionage novelist's loyalties are the
    stuff of internet chatroom conspiracies and whispered rumors in
    the all-male (until last week anyway) salons of the exclusive
    Garrick Club in London where members of MI6 like to gather for
    cocktails. Le Carr‚ applied for, and received, Irish citizenship
    shortly before his death in 2020. According to some, this was yet
    another indication of the shaky nature of his fidelity to Britain.

    Forsyth sat forward. Maybe this wasn't a softball question.

    "Ah, le Carr‚," Forsyth seemed to be dusting off a memory of the
    man. "You mean David Cornwell. John Le Carr‚ was just his penname.
    He was recruited into MI5 or MI6, I can't recall which one, but
    he was never, as they say, 'in harm's way' as I was in the East
    Bloc."

    "I find him too depressing," I added. "He's too nihilistic for me."

    "Yes, well, there was that. I met him once, you know, at a
    luncheon for writers." He didn't elaborate and did not indicate
    whether he liked him or not, but I lean toward the latter. In
    addition to political differences, Le Carr‚/Cornwell characterized
    the pro-Brexit crowd as neo-fascists while Forsyth saw the European
    Union as the embodiment of a rising "bureaucratic dictatorship,"
    Forsyth did not share Le Carr‚'s cynicism. In short, Forsyth is
    a patriot while Le Carr‚, in my opinion, was not.

    <https://thefederalist.com/2024/06/14/how-legendary-spy-novelist-frederick-forsyth-discovered-hed-been-bowdlerized/>

    --
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    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Mon Dec 1 22:44:34 2025
    On 1/12/25 04:57, Don wrote:
    As TOLSTOY ON SHAKESPEARE's ruthlessly rich revelry recedes into memory
    it makes me hanker for something similar yet different. In the curious
    case of le Carr‚ and Forsyth, it turns out the taletelling tickles me
    more than tales told by the two.

    "James [Fox] requested I ask you this 'cheeky question': was
    John le Carr‚ a double agent from the start?"

    Questions about the late espionage novelist's loyalties are the
    stuff of internet chatroom conspiracies and whispered rumors in
    the all-male (until last week anyway) salons of the exclusive
    Garrick Club in London where members of MI6 like to gather for
    cocktails. Le Carr‚ applied for, and received, Irish citizenship
    shortly before his death in 2020. According to some, this was yet
    another indication of the shaky nature of his fidelity to Britain.

    Forsyth sat forward. Maybe this wasn't a softball question.

    "Ah, le Carr‚," Forsyth seemed to be dusting off a memory of the
    man. "You mean David Cornwell. John Le Carr‚ was just his penname.
    He was recruited into MI5 or MI6, I can't recall which one, but
    he was never, as they say, 'in harm's way' as I was in the East
    Bloc."

    "I find him too depressing," I added. "He's too nihilistic for me."

    "Yes, well, there was that. I met him once, you know, at a
    luncheon for writers." He didn't elaborate and did not indicate
    whether he liked him or not, but I lean toward the latter. In
    addition to political differences, Le Carr‚/Cornwell characterized
    the pro-Brexit crowd as neo-fascists while Forsyth saw the European
    Union as the embodiment of a rising "bureaucratic dictatorship,"
    Forsyth did not share Le Carr‚'s cynicism. In short, Forsyth is
    a patriot while Le Carr‚, in my opinion, was not.

    <https://thefederalist.com/2024/06/14/how-legendary-spy-novelist-frederick-forsyth-discovered-hed-been-bowdlerized/>

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |


    "In a healthy democracy it is probably not desirable that the
    intelligence services be wholly efficient, or wholly admired."
    John le Carre. A Private Spy.


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