• ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?

    From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 02:10:04 2026
    Subject: ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?
    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn


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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 14:30:30 2026
    Subject: Headline as indicator of article quality and biases (was: Re: ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?)

    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    I guess for decades the easiest litmus test for far-right bullshit has
    really been the red scare!

    Of course it's possible headlines don't really match the quality of the
    content (see e.g. TIME's "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse could become the
    country's 'Chernobyl'" [1], where the article was praised for being actually quite OK despite some idiot slapping that headline), but reading such a
    bad quality headline really discourages considering the content
    seriously...

    And I know Trump in several ways is the closest the world has seen to
    soviet leadership in recent times, see e.g. his purges, but it's still
    surreal to see the "commie" label applied to something Trump is to blame
    for. Of course that explains the need for a scapegoat...

    [1] <http://web.archive.org/web/20230612033029/https://time.com/6286309/ukraine-dam-collapse-ecological-catastrophe/>

    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn


    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 08:46:59 2026
    Subject: Re: Headline as indicator of article quality and biases (was: Re: ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?)

    On Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:30:30 +0100, Nuno Silva
    <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    I guess for decades the easiest litmus test for far-right bullshit has
    really been the red scare!

    Old habits die hard.

    Of course it's possible headlines don't really match the quality of the >content (see e.g. TIME's "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse could become the >country's 'Chernobyl'" [1], where the article was praised for being
    actually
    quite OK despite some idiot slapping that headline), but reading such a
    bad quality headline really discourages considering the content
    seriously...

    Although I can't remember any examples off-hand, I have seen articles
    like that. And not just on-line.

    And I know Trump in several ways is the closest the world has seen to
    soviet leadership in recent times, see e.g. his purges, but it's still >surreal to see the "commie" label applied to something Trump is to blame
    for. Of course that explains the need for a scapegoat...

    [1]
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20230612033029/https://time.com/6286309/ukrai ne-dam-collapse-ecological-catastrophe/>

    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn

    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From s|b@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 21:02:50 2026
    Subject: Re: ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?
    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l (Feb
    19) to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has
    passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when
    oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    --
    s|b

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 16:21:36 2026
    On 4/6/2026 8:30 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    I guess for decades the easiest litmus test for far-right bullshit has
    really been the red scare!

    Of course it's possible headlines don't really match the quality of the content (see e.g. TIME's "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse could become the country's 'Chernobyl'" [1], where the article was praised for being actually quite OK despite some idiot slapping that headline), but reading such a
    bad quality headline really discourages considering the content
    seriously...

    And I know Trump in several ways is the closest the world has seen to
    soviet leadership in recent times, see e.g. his purges, but it's still surreal to see the "commie" label applied to something Trump is to blame
    for. Of course that explains the need for a scapegoat...

    [1] <http://web.archive.org/web/20230612033029/https://time.com/6286309/ukraine-dam-collapse-ecological-catastrophe/>

    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn

    When I was a young engineer in 1982, there were 40+ refineries in
    California. There are now four refineries in California. California
    did it to themselves.

    Lynn


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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 16:24:25 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s
    Disastrous Policies?
    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l (Feb
    19) to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when
    oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves. Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 15:30:08 2026


    On 4/6/26 14:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 8:30 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    I guess for decades the easiest litmus test for far-right bullshit has
    really been the red scare!

    Of course it's possible headlines don't really match the quality of the
    content (see e.g. TIME's "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse could become the
    country's 'Chernobyl'" [1], where the article was praised for being
    actually
    quite OK despite some idiot slapping that headline), but reading such a
    bad quality headline really discourages considering the content
    seriously...

    And I know Trump in several ways is the closest the world has seen to
    soviet leadership in recent times, see e.g. his purges, but it's still
    surreal to see the "commie" label applied to something Trump is to blame
    for. Of course that explains the need for a scapegoat...

    [1] <http://web.archive.org/web/20230612033029/https://
    time.com/6286309/ukraine-dam-collapse-ecological-catastrophe/>

    ˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn

    When I was a young engineer in 1982, there were 40+ refineries in California.˙ There are now four refineries in California.˙ California
    did it to themselves.

    Lynn

    Yes we were tired of refineries which emitted clouds of dangerous chemicals with NO warning at all. Some of the refineries were next
    to elementary schools. Then we demanded cleaner gas mixtures in
    different seasons of the year for cleaner burning gasoline.

    I remember in the 1950s when I was serving at the old USN
    Hospital in Oakland and the refineries generated so much smoke
    that it was dark at noon in that town.

    I think most parents in California would say that they did
    it and they with children and me without children are glad they
    did it. Sure it costs more to live in a cleaner state but we
    are happier with cleaner air and water.

    Trump is going to renew off-shore drilling in the Ocean
    waters adjacent to California being unhappy with the amount of
    oil being produced by fracking in the Central Valley and the old
    wells still pumping out the oil from under the whole Los Angeles
    basin.

    Very little is communist about California but public interest
    demands certain matters be dealt with. If we were an independent
    nation we would have a very large economy. But we are not
    independent and contribute taxes that help support states that
    are not profitable nor do they care much about their citizens
    being content to satisfy industry by removing Child labor laws
    and the Safeguards for workers in industrial settings.

    bliss


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 15:34:14 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies



    On 4/6/26 14:24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s >>> Disastrous Policies?
    ˙˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/ >>>
    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l˙ (Feb
    19)˙ to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has
    passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when
    oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves.˙ Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn

    And if Trump had not started the war with Iran the prices would not have
    gone so high. Europeans and other areas of the planet did not create this problems but Trump made it much worse and did not consult with allies as
    to the advisability at the time of attacking Iran.

    bliss

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 17:46:29 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On 4/6/2026 5:34 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/6/26 14:24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s
    Disastrous Policies?
    ˙˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-
    gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l˙ (Feb
    19)˙ to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has
    passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when >>> oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves.˙ Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn

    ˙˙˙˙And if Trump had not started the war with Iran the prices would not have
    gone so high.˙ Europeans and other areas of the planet did not create this problems but Trump made it much worse and did not consult with allies as
    to the advisability at the time of attacking Iran.

    ˙˙˙˙bliss

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,
    holding our embassy employees hostage. Jimmy Carter was President and
    did nothing.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    Lynn


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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 00:20:16 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornia?s >>> Disastrous Policies?
    https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/ >>>
    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l (Feb
    19) to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has
    passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when
    oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves. Trump just exposed the dependence.

    I'm sorry, but this one strikes me as particularly silly.

    If we were to allow that kind of conclusion, can't the same be said
    about what's in the headline, i.e. that "Commiefornia's" policies merely exposed some other isse?

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 23:23:35 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 4/6/2026 5:34 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/6/26 14:24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s
    Disastrous Policies?
    ˙˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as- >>>>> gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l˙ (Feb >>>> 19)˙ to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has >>>> passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when >>>> oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves.˙ Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn

    ˙˙˙˙And if Trump had not started the war with Iran the prices would not
    have
    gone so high.˙ Europeans and other areas of the planet did not create this >> problems but Trump made it much worse and did not consult with allies as
    to the advisability at the time of attacking Iran.

    ˙˙˙˙bliss

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,

    Bullshit, it started when the CIA overthrew Iran's elected president
    and installed a dictator in 1953, specifically for access to the
    oil fields by american oil companies.

    So it is the oil industry such as -you- and your company that were the start
    if the conflict with Iran.


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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 00:26:52 2026
    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    When I was a young engineer in 1982, there were 40+ refineries in
    California. There are now four refineries in California. California
    did it to themselves.

    This, logically, doesn't really prove much. *At all*. Because, depending
    on what such refineries were and are now, it could even be apples and
    oranges.

    What if refineries' technologies have improved, or if new refineries
    were built for bigger throughput, in a way that these four provide the
    same supply as these forty did?

    Then there is also the matter of demand. It's reasonable to expect that
    demand for at least some fossil fuels has decreased, and to answer
    whether these four are sufficient or not, besides the consideration
    above, one must also account for demand and its evolution over time.

    This can easily go several ways too. But the point being that your
    statement is really void, as it doesn't allow much sound reasoning to
    take place.

    --
    Nuno Silva

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  • From Nuno Silva@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 00:44:55 2026
    Subject: Typo (was: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies)

    On 2026-04-07, Nuno Silva wrote:

    [...]
    If we were to allow that kind of conclusion, can't the same be said
    about what's in the headline, i.e. that "Commiefornia's" policies merely exposed some other isse?

    saisseaissuea

    (I swear the above makes sense, cf. IEEE 1003.1-2008 p3157 lines
    104964--104966 :-P)

    --
    Nuno Silva
    (That's Vol 3, Ch. 4, ?sed)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 18:05:06 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies



    On 4/6/26 15:46, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 5:34 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/6/26 14:24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s
    Disastrous Policies?
    ˙˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as- >>>>> gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l˙ (Feb >>>> 19)˙ to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but
    not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has >>>> passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date
    when
    oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this
    just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves.˙ Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn

    ˙˙˙˙˙And if Trump had not started the war with Iran the prices would
    not have
    gone so high.˙ Europeans and other areas of the planet did not create
    this
    problems but Trump made it much worse and did not consult with allies as
    to the advisability at the time of attacking Iran.

    ˙˙˙˙˙bliss

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy, holding our embassy employees hostage.˙ Jimmy Carter was President and
    did nothing.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    Lynn

    Actually the War with Iran was started by the USA and the UK MI-6 long
    before that when they took out Mohammed Mossadeg the Nationalist Prime Minister
    and restored the Shah who had fled to Italy. Look it up for yourself Lynn. <https://asiasociety.org/education/iran-20th-century>

    But to quote:
    Mohammed Reza Shah was not a forceful ruler. In 1953 he was almost overthrown by the popular and nationalistic prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh, but he retained his throne with British and American help. Thereafter he became a more energetic and skillful ruler, and the United States developed close relations with Iran, which it saw as a strategic ally against the Soviet Union.

    So we messed with the Iranian nation long before 1979.
    The founders in the 18th and 19th Centuries maintained a policy
    of non-interference with foreign nations unless they injured
    American interests as see "Stephen Decatur and the Barbary Pirates".
    Some parties later thought it good sport to interfere in Japan
    and the Philippines, and get into China to fight against the Righterous
    Fists aka Boxer Rebellion. Not to mention Teddy Roosevelt and the
    Cuban/Spanish-American War. Lots of the Founders talked of Empire
    but they meant an Empire of American States from the Atlantic to the
    Pacific. Hawaii was taken by colonizers and incorporated into the
    USA as a Territory until after WW II but taking it as a territory was
    not too popular at the time. Alaska was bought from Russia which
    did not need another Siberia it felt. So was the Lousiana Puchase
    from France which had conquered Spain. Texas was a Republic
    of inequality where the African-descended were never supposed to
    be freed. They joined the USA then joined the Confederacy in
    the attempt at rebellion from the Union for fear of Black people
    becoming free.

    bliss


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 6 18:09:28 2026
    On 4/6/2026 3:30 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/6/26 14:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 8:30 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-04-06, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s Disastrous Policies?

    I guess for decades the easiest litmus test for far-right bullshit has
    really been the red scare!

    Of course it's possible headlines don't really match the quality of the
    content (see e.g. TIME's "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse could become the
    country's 'Chernobyl'" [1], where the article was praised for being
    actually
    quite OK despite some idiot slapping that headline), but reading such a
    bad quality headline really discourages considering the content
    seriously...

    And I know Trump in several ways is the closest the world has seen to
    soviet leadership in recent times, see e.g. his purges, but it's still
    surreal to see the "commie" label applied to something Trump is to blame >>> for. Of course that explains the need for a scapegoat...

    [1] <http://web.archive.org/web/20230612033029/https://
    time.com/6286309/ukraine-dam-collapse-ecological-catastrophe/>

    ˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as-gulf/ >>>>
    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    Lynn

    When I was a young engineer in 1982, there were 40+ refineries in
    California.˙ There are now four refineries in California.˙ California
    did it to themselves.

    Lynn

    ˙˙˙˙Yes we were tired of refineries which emitted clouds of dangerous chemicals with NO warning at all.˙ Some of the refineries were next
    to elementary schools.˙ Then we demanded cleaner gas mixtures in
    different seasons of the year for cleaner burning gasoline.

    ˙˙˙˙I remember in the 1950s when I was serving at the old USN
    Hospital in Oakland and the refineries generated so much smoke
    that it was dark at noon in that town.

    ˙˙˙˙I think most parents in California would say that they did
    it and they with children and me without children are glad they
    did it.˙ Sure it costs more to live in a cleaner state but we
    are happier with cleaner air and water.

    ˙˙˙˙Trump is going to renew off-shore drilling in the Ocean
    waters adjacent to California being unhappy with the amount of
    oil being produced by fracking in the Central Valley and the old
    wells still pumping out the oil from under the whole Los Angeles
    basin.

    Trump is going to TRY to renew off-shore drilling. He's already tried
    to expand drilling in Alaska but literally no one placed even a $1 bid
    for any of the plots up for auction. The oil companies are quite happy
    with expensive, high-demand hydrocarbons.

    ˙˙˙˙Very little is communist about California but public interest
    demands certain matters be dealt with.˙ If we were an independent
    nation we would have a very large economy.˙ But we are not
    independent and contribute taxes that help support states that
    are not profitable nor do they care much about their citizens
    being content to satisfy industry by removing Child labor laws
    and the Safeguards for workers in industrial settings.

    ˙˙˙˙ bliss



    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From s|b@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 15:57:16 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 16:24:25 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Nope, you did it to yourselves. Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Agent Krasnov just wants us to buy oil from the US and/or remove
    sanctions from Russia, so they can sell us their oil again. We would be
    trading one supplier for another and still be dependant.

    So don't act like Israel's lapdog did a good thing. The closing of the
    strait of Hermuz not only has consequences regarding oil, but for global
    trade as well. The Red Sea is closing next. What then?

    And today they're attacking Kharg Island. More exposing? Demented Donald literally said he wants the oil.

    --
    s|b

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 14:56:00 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy, >holding our embassy employees hostage. Jimmy Carter was President and
    did nothing.

    This is likely true. You could make a fair argument for it, at least.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    This is likely not true at all, sadly. Never get into a land war in Asia. --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 7 13:17:25 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies



    On 4/7/26 11:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,
    holding our embassy employees hostage. Jimmy Carter was President and
    did nothing.

    This is likely true. You could make a fair argument for it, at least.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    This is likely not true at all, sadly. Never get into a land war in Asia. --scott

    No it is not true because we started messing with Iran much earlier. Just look it up online with History of Iran 20th Century. We didn't care
    for a free Iran and imposed a self-exiled Shah upon them to ensure
    access to their oil. The Shah went too far in adopting Western freedoms
    and the local religious conseratives started a rebellion which resulted
    in the return from France of their leader Ayatollah Khomeni (sic) which
    started the present regime.

    bliss


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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 11 16:10:57 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On 07/04/2026 11:23, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 4/6/2026 5:34 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/6/26 14:24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/6/2026 2:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 6 Apr 2026 02:10:04 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    ?Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes
    Commiefornia?s
    Disastrous Policies?
    ˙˙˙˙ https://thelibertydaily.com/diesel-surges-above-8-san-fran-as- >>>>>> gulf/

    Oh my. Diesel is $5 per US gallon here in south Texas.

    The price of heating oil doubled and has gone from 0,8013 euro/l˙ (Feb >>>>> 19)˙ to 1,6468 euro/l (April 7). I still have 1.500 l in my tank, but >>>>> not looking forward to filling it to 3.000 l again. Luckily, winter has >>>>> passed.

    Gasoline (E10) is now 1,849 euro/l.

    All thanks to this POS:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkcxQwL/ididthat.png>

    I'm told the worst has yet to come. April 10 is supposedly the date when >>>>> oil tankers would have arrived to resupply Europe.

    (As for electricity: my solar panels and plugin battery (bought this >>>>> just in time early in March) and providing 99% electricity atm.)

    Nope, you did it to yourselves.˙ Trump just exposed the dependence.

    Lynn

    ˙˙˙˙And if Trump had not started the war with Iran the prices would not >>> have
    gone so high.˙ Europeans and other areas of the planet did not create this >>> problems but Trump made it much worse and did not consult with allies as >>> to the advisability at the time of attacking Iran.

    ˙˙˙˙bliss

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,

    Bullshit, it started when the CIA overthrew Iran's elected president
    and installed a dictator in 1953, specifically for access to the
    oil fields by american oil companies.

    So it is the oil industry such as -you- and your company that were the start if the conflict with Iran.

    It was claimed that Britain's control of Iranian oil prior to WW2 was
    worth more than ownership of India.

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  • From oldernow@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 11 12:06:19 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On 2026-04-11, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    It was claimed

    Ah, yes.. the essence of human "news" - if not
    "knowledge"....

    --
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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 11 08:14:19 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 12:06:19 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
    wrote:

    On 2026-04-11, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    It was claimed

    Ah, yes.. the essence of human "news" - if not
    "knowledge"....

    Well, what /is/ known is that the USSR and the CW invaded and occupied
    Iran in WWII. Mostly to provide a route for supplying the USSR that
    was /not/ subject to U-Boat attack and/or that involved a whole lot of
    sea ice or was located on the Pacific coast, rather a long way from
    where the fighting was.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Chris Thompson@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 12 22:50:10 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies

    Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/7/26 11:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lynn McGuire˙ <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,
    holding our embassy employees hostage.˙ Jimmy Carter was President and
    did nothing.

    This is likely true.˙ You could make a fair argument for it, at least.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    This is likely not true at all, sadly.˙ Never get into a land war in
    Asia.
    --scott

    ˙˙˙˙No it is not true because we started messing with Iran much earlier. Just look it up online with History of Iran 20th Century.˙ We didn't care
    for a free Iran and imposed a self-exiled Shah upon them to ensure
    access to their oil.˙ The Shah went too far in adopting Western freedoms
    and the local religious conseratives started a rebellion which resulted
    in the return from France of their leader Ayatollah Khomeni (sic) which started the present regime.

    ˙˙˙˙bliss


    The religious conservatives were simply a nugget around which the
    rebellion could coalesce. The US didn't merely help install the Shah. We trained and supported one of the most brutal secret police forces in the
    20th century, Savak. After a few tens of thousands of Iranians got
    disappeared the survivors were ready for anyone to lead a revolt.

    Then, of course, in the intervening years you can see how the US further endeared itself to the Iranian people: shooting down a civilian airliner filled with passengers, and giving Saddam real-time targeting
    information for his chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran war. Funny how
    we liked Saddam's gaseous WMDs until all of a sudden we didn't. But not
    so funny to the thousands of Iranians killed and maimed by sarin and
    mustard gas (which were produced in American-supplied pre-fab factories
    which were well-known to be able to produce poison gas instead of fertilizers).

    There's REASONS the Iranians hate and distrust us.

    Chris


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 12 22:33:55 2026
    Subject: Re: Diesel Surges Above $8 in San Fran as Gulf Shock Exposes Commiefornias Disastrous Policies



    On 4/12/26 19:50, Chris Thompson wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 4/7/26 11:56, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lynn McGuire˙ <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The war with Iran started in 1979 when they occupied the USA Embassy,
    holding our embassy employees hostage.˙ Jimmy Carter was President and >>>> did nothing.

    This is likely true.˙ You could make a fair argument for it, at least.

    Trump is finishing the war.

    This is likely not true at all, sadly.˙ Never get into a land war in
    Asia.
    --scott

    ˙˙˙˙˙No it is not true because we started messing with Iran much earlier.
    Just look it up online with History of Iran 20th Century.˙ We didn't care
    for a free Iran and imposed a self-exiled Shah upon them to ensure
    access to their oil.˙ The Shah went too far in adopting Western freedoms
    and the local religious conseratives started a rebellion which resulted
    in the return from France of their leader Ayatollah Khomeni (sic) which
    started the present regime.

    ˙˙˙˙˙bliss


    The religious conservatives were simply a nugget around which the
    rebellion could coalesce. The US didn't merely help install the Shah. We trained and supported one of the most brutal secret police forces in the 20th century, Savak. After a few tens of thousands of Iranians got disappeared the survivors were ready for anyone to lead a revolt.

    Then, of course, in the intervening years you can see how the US further endeared itself to the Iranian people: shooting down a civilian airliner filled with passengers, and giving Saddam real-time targeting
    information for his chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran war. Funny how
    we liked Saddam's gaseous WMDs until all of a sudden we didn't. But not
    so funny to the thousands of Iranians killed and maimed by sarin and
    mustard gas (which were produced in American-supplied pre-fab factories which were well-known to be able to produce poison gas instead of fertilizers).

    There's REASONS the Iranians hate and distrust us.

    Chris


    Of course there are plenty of reasons.
    That was my point which I apparently understated.

    bliss

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