• Re: Bill Maher Warns Canada Is A "Cautionary Tale" For U.S.: "We're Di

    From Rhino@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Apr 19 02:11:00 2024
    Subject: Re: Bill Maher Warns Canada Is A "Cautionary Tale" For U.S.: "We're
    Diving Off A Cliff"

    On 2024-04-17 7:40 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 04:30:55 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    Maher argued — during Friday’s broadcast of “Real Time” on HBO — that Canada
    should serve as a “cautionary tale” for Americans who wanted the progressive
    utopian ideal and thought that they could see it just across the border.

    The catch is in many respects there are multiple United States. Sure
    you're all Americans but there are many different regions with greatly different perspectives. Canada has the same situation regionally but
    to a much lesser scale.

    I didn't hear the specific Maher clip you're referring to but have had
    heard enough of him that I've got the general idea.

    Maher began by saying that he agreed with those who said American liberals >> should learn from progressive countries that were getting things right — but
    then he pointed out that it was equally important to recognize and
    acknowledge flaws when they were present.

    Heck you could even look at Britain. On the other hand I have a cousin
    (from WA state) who was doing the tourist thing in Europe and while travelling in France met the Portugese fellow who has been the love of
    her life - and they never left Paris.

    Giving two examples, Maher noted that unemployment in the United States was >> 3.8% compared to Canada’s 6.1% — and that air quality in Canada was
    measurably worse than in the United States.

    Which is an incredibly dumb comment since one could never compare
    downtown NYC with Wyoming - or any other pair of places one could
    name. Ditto Canada - if you compare downtown Toronto (or for that
    matter the northern Alberta oil sands) to seaside Vancouver or Halifax
    you'd get a totally different perspective. Bottom line is that both
    the United States and Canada are huge by international standards.

    “They say in politics liberals are the gas pedal and conservatives are the >> brakes. And I’m generally with the gas pedal. But not if we’re driving off a
    cliff,” Maher said, adding, “Canada was where every woke White college kid
    wearing pajama pants outdoors who had it up to here with America’s racist >> patriarchy dreamt of living someday. I mean, besides Gaza.”

    My father was no woke college kid in pajamas - he simply went to
    college in Seattle and met a Canadian girl from Vancouver. (They
    married between 3rd year and 4th year)

    “There’s only one problem with thinking everything’s better in Canada: It’s
    not. Not anymore, anyway,” Maher said, arguing that the housing crisis in >> American cities was nothing compared to what was happening to the north. “The
    median price of a home here is $346,000. In Canada converted to US dollars, >> it’s 487. If Barbie moved to Winnipeg, she wouldn’t be able to afford her
    dream house and Ken would be working at Tim Hortons.”

    No question Canada has had a housing problem these past 10 years and a
    lot of it has been based on proportionately higher immigration rates
    in Canada - particularly in urban cores - 70% of Canadian immigration
    settles in Toronto and Vancouver which not surprisingly have the
    highest price housing. What is particularly hard on first time buyers
    (my children are now the age we were at when we bought for the first
    time) are now competing with domestic and foreign REITs (real estate investment trusts) in a way our generation wasn't.

    Maher went on to note that the liberal dream of single-payer health care — >> which Canada has — is also not living up to its promise: “Their vaunted >> health care system, which ranks dead last among high income countries, and >> access to primary health care, and the ability to see a doctor in a day or >> two. And it’s not for lack of spending. Of the 30 countries with universal >> coverage, Canada spends over 13% of its economy on it, which is a lot of
    money for free health care. Look, I’m not saying Canada still isn’t a great
    country, it is, but those aren’t paradise numbers.”

    Do Americans expect 'paradise'? Canadians don't.

    “If Canada was an apartment, the lead feature might be America adjacent. And
    if America was a rental car, Canada would be America or similar,” Maher
    concluded. “And again, honestly, Canada, I’m not saying any of this because I
    enjoy it. I don’t because I’ve always enjoyed you, but I need to cite you as
    a cautionary tale to help my country. And the moral of that tale is ‘yes, you
    can move too far left, and when you do, you wind up pushing the people in the
    middle to the right.’ At its worst. Canada is what American voters think >> happens when there’s no one putting a check on extreme wokeness.”

    Which is why people like me (Rhino too I think) are eagerly waiting
    for the next election - which must be within the next 18 months.
    (Canada doesn't have fixed election dates very much like the Brits)

    Actually, we DO have (more-or-less) fixed election dates both federally
    and in some provinces, including mine, BUT I saw a story recently that
    the feds are developing legislation to delay the next federal election
    by approximately a week. (I didn't see a proper explanation but I
    strongly suspect it is to ensure that those who got elected in the 2019 election have just over 6 years in Parliament so they qualify for those
    very generous pensions.) I had not realized that our feds even had the
    ability to adjust election dates that way and I'm really not very happy
    about it.

    Of course we do retain the ability to have early elections by defeating
    the government in a non-confidence motion or by simply calling one
    because the governing party thinks it can convert a minority to a
    majority, which Trudeau tried in 2021 but failed to get his majority.
    THAT is far more in line with the British tradition than the election
    dates in the US which are immovable due to the Constitution.

    And Justin DOES currently have approval ratings at 30 year lows which obviously thrills people like me who spent last Saturday at a federal nomination convention for one of the major parties (not Trudeau's) You
    can reasonably conlclude from this that I am at least as interested in federal politics as your average state caucus-goer.

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    Rhino


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  • From Rhino@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Apr 20 12:01:36 2024
    Subject: Re: Bill Maher Warns Canada Is A "Cautionary Tale" For U.S.: "We're
    Diving Off A Cliff"

    On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 02:23:40 -0700
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 12:11:00 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Actually, we DO have (more-or-less) fixed election dates both
    federally and in some provinces, including mine, BUT I saw a story
    recently that the feds are developing legislation to delay the next
    federal election by approximately a week. (I didn't see a proper >explanation but I strongly suspect it is to ensure that those who
    got elected in the 2019 election have just over 6 years in
    Parliament so they qualify for those very generous pensions.) I had
    not realized that our feds even had the ability to adjust election
    dates that way and I'm really not very happy about it.

    There's no such things as fixed election dates when there's a minority government (e.g. when there are more than 2 parties and the top party
    has a plurality not a majority in the House) as Canada has had since
    2019.

    I think we have the same (correct) understanding of how elections work
    in this country, we're just quibbling about the terms.

    Perhaps a phrasing that we can agree on is that no federal
    government in this country, whether it has a majority or a minority, can
    now have a term longer than 4 years. (It used to be 5 years.) However,
    a minority government may call an earlier election if it thinks it can
    better its seat count. (Has a majority government ever gone to the
    polls early to improve its seat count? I can't think of one but I
    suppose it might have happened.) And, of course, a minority government
    can be defeated if enough of the smaller parties get together and get a
    larger vote count on a confidence measure.

    Politicians can SAY 'the next election will be on _________' but
    unless they actually have a majority there's no guarantee and besides
    you're not seriously telling me politicians never have their fingers
    crossed when they speak to the public are you <evil grin>

    We're in the happy position of having had neither of our past two
    members having qualified for one of those obscenely cushy pensions but
    our current MP is both a cabinet minister and someone who WILL get a
    pension should he gain re-election this time which is by no means
    guaranteed.

    Obscenely = "gets severance pay (which if memory serves is about a
    year's pay for a 2 term MP) BEFORE that pension kicks in"

    They get "severance pay" AND the pension?? I didn't know about the
    severance pay portion. I've NEVER been happy about parliamentarians
    setting their own salaries but this just makes me unhappier about it! I remember when the current system was being conceived and someone or
    another proposed that MP salaries be set by some independent body but
    couldn't get Parliament to go for that - unsurprisingly.

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    Rhino


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