Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape, and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen property, and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and know gang member with convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for assault with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for firing a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, DUI, and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but the Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have rocks thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >> protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >> they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who >> has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy >> to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they >> say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >>> protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >>> they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >>> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for >>> sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who >>> has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they >>> say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those cherries out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals
in Los Angeles County.
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. >>>> This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but >>>> none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can >>>> commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for >>>> sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit >>>> rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member >>>> with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for >>>> assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for >>>> firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, >>>> DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but >>>> the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who >>>> hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from >>>> those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have >>>> rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those cherries >> out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals >> in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape, and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen property, and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and know gang member with convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for assault with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for firing a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, DUI, and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but the Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have rocks thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can >>>>> commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting: >>>>>
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit >>>>> rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen >>>>> property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for >>>>> assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human >>>>> trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for >>>>> firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who >>>>> hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have >>>>> rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked >>>> lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>> leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents >>>>>> while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting: >>>>>>
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel >>>>>> ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen >>>>>> property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for >>>>>> assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human >>>>>> trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for >>>>>> conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, >>>>>> who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked >>>>> lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
On 2025-06-08 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >> protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >> they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.Thomas Sowell has a very insightful analysis of these riots and what
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but >> none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel ties who >> has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and know gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but >> the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they >> say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
they mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8uGtYnTvg [15 minutes]
If the politicians in California had one thousandth of Sowell's smarts, California would be a paradise instead of a former paradise trying to
become a hellhole.
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This, >of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none >of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can >commit. . . .
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >> protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >> they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>> leftistWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked >>>>>> lineup of rotten cherries?
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting: >>>>>>>
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel >>>>>>> ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen >>>>>>> property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human >>>>>>> trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for >>>>>>> conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, >>>>>>> who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those >>>>> cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the >>> mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents. >>
simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. >>>>>>>> Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for >>>>>>>> conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since >>>>>>>> 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those >>>>>> cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of >>>>>> illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the
simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist >> protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while >> they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. >>> This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. Code but >>> none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it. >>> Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a
crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
Now there's looting.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.
Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since
2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>>
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of >>>>>>> illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and
constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.
Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent >>>>>>>>>> to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful >>>>>>>>>> child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since
2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it. >>>>>>>>>>
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our
neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for >>>>>>>>>> removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of
illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old >> ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so >> ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then >> say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into >> looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at?
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and >>>>>>>>>>> constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.
Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to
describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent
to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known
gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury. >>>>>>>>>>>
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful >>>>>>>>>>> child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since
2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it. >>>>>>>>>>>
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our >>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for >>>>>>>>>>> removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of
illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the
simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so
ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and
constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting: >>>>>>>>>>>>
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent >>>>>>>>>>>> to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel >>>>>>>>>>>> ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>>>>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human >>>>>>>>>>>> trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for >>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful >>>>>>>>>>>> child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since >>>>>>>>>>>> 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, >>>>>>>>>>>> who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our
neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for >>>>>>>>>>>> removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>>>>>
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those >>>>>>>>>> cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of >>>>>>>>>> illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>>>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>>>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old >>>> ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so >>>> ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against >> anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws".
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a
crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-los-angeles-immigration-protests-trump/
Now there's looting.
https://www.newsweek.com/mass-looting-breaks-out-la-riots-intensify-2082622
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>>that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>>Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-los-angeles-immigration-protests-trump/
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with.
How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and actions indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been failing to do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately
reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government
buildings be considered controversial or something the president was
'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the
doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about
three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the
mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something.
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at?
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and
constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent >>>>>>>>>>>>> to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>>>>>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for >>>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful >>>>>>>>>>>>> child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our
neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for >>>>>>>>>>>>> removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>>>>>>
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those >>>>>>>>>>> cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of >>>>>>>>>>> illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>>>>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>>>>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are >>>>>> invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so
ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against >>> anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal alien. They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine background check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to deportation.
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws".
Well, it certainly wasn't about laws during the Biden term, when he and his government violated an entire title of the U.S. Code and essentially erased the southern border.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 5:40:44 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
Oh, baloney. There's nothing heavy-handed about bringing in troops to protect federal property during a riot. This same thing happened in 2020 when Antifa goons spent more than 150 days trying to burn down the federal courthouse in Portland every single night while the local police did nothing to stop them. It was up to the half dozen FPS officers on duty to protect the place, so Trump sent in federal agents from across the country to back them up, and just
like you've done here, the leftists immediately blamed Trump's attempt to enforce the law and protect federal property as 'provocative' and 'heavy-handed'.
It's hilarious how you guys blame Trump for the dumpster fire Democrat-run cities have become, despite there being no constitutional authority for the federal government to usurp police power from state and local governments. The
president literally has no authority to do anything about it, yet the one time
he did try and address the one small part of the problem he did have authority
over-- protecting federal property from rioters trying to destroy it-- and the
Left shit kittens and demanded he withdraw the 'troops' and stay out of it.
Even those on this newsgroup were trying to pull this nonsense:
On 9/28/2020 01:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On 9/27/2020 10:11 AM suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with.
How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal
buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and actions >> indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew >> them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been failing to >> do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately
reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government
buildings be considered controversial or something the president was
'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the
doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about
three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the
mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something.
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Notice how Dimensional doesn't seem to be "extremely troubled" by the widespread violence committed by the rioters.
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better >>>>>> life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil >>>>>> criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting >>>> for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families", >>> you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal alien. >> They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals >> that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine background >> check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to
deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen...
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws". >>Well, it certainly wasn't about laws during the Biden term, when he and his >> government violated an entire title of the U.S. Code and essentially erased >> the southern border.
Yes. As I said, it's not solely about the "rule of law".
On 6/9/2025 10:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 5:40:44 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media cameOver Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . . >>>>
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>> federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed? >>>>
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>> several days.
Oh, baloney. There's nothing heavy-handed about bringing in troops to
protect
federal property during a riot. This same thing happened in 2020 when Antifa
goons spent more than 150 days trying to burn down the federal courthouse in
Portland every single night while the local police did nothing to stop them.
It was up to the half dozen FPS officers on duty to protect the place, so >> Trump sent in federal agents from across the country to back them up, and >> just
like you've done here, the leftists immediately blamed Trump's attempt to >> enforce the law and protect federal property as 'provocative' and
'heavy-handed'.
It's hilarious how you guys blame Trump for the dumpster fire Democrat-run >> cities have become, despite there being no constitutional authority for the >> federal government to usurp police power from state and local governments. >> The
president literally has no authority to do anything about it, yet the one >> time
he did try and address the one small part of the problem he did have
authority
over-- protecting federal property from rioters trying to destroy it-- and >> the
Left shit kittens and demanded he withdraw the 'troops' and stay out of it. >>
Even those on this newsgroup were trying to pull this nonsense:
On 9/28/2020 01:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On 9/27/2020 10:11 AM suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with.
How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal
buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and actions
indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew >>> them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been failing to
do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately
reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government
buildings be considered controversial or something the president was
'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the
doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about >>> three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the
mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something.
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For >>> the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Notice how Dimensional doesn't seem to be "extremely troubled" by the
widespread violence committed by the rioters.
Yes. While the rioters break laws, the cops gut principles.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at?
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then gives me a >spinning wheel.
However at a guess, maybe the cop was aiming for some miscreant near or behind >her and missed. Or maybe he's an asshole who should be brought up on charges.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at?
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then gives me a >spinning wheel.
However at a guess, maybe the cop was aiming for some miscreant near or behind >her and missed. Or maybe he's an asshole who should be brought up on charges.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and know gang member with >convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >paraphernalia.
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly peaceful', >Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 02:08:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at? >>>
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then gives me a
spinning wheel.
However at a guess, maybe the cop was aiming for some miscreant near or behind
her and missed. Or maybe he's an asshole who should be brought up on charges.
Here's a couple of reports that include the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpV65-KJAm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDt1-L4KFPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeldxv-xfA
Stewart includes some video of ICE bringing in some deadly
individuals. Setting quotas of 3000 a day is clearly going to move ICE
from removing criminals from the country to removing any undocumented individual they can find.
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 17:22:41 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and know gang member with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
Isn't someone previously deported instantly deportable if found in the country even if he's lived the life of an angel and not subsequently
been convicted of anything other than being in the country
illegally?!?
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly peaceful', >>Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States,
what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin, thriving in chaos.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-los-angeles-immigration-protests-trump/
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
I posted a link to the video her producer was shooting while she was
shot.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 02:08:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at? >>>
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then gives me a
spinning wheel.
However at a guess, maybe the cop was aiming for some miscreant near or behind
her and missed. Or maybe he's an asshole who should be brought up on charges.
Here's a couple of reports that include the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpV65-KJAm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDt1-L4KFPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeldxv-xfA
Stewart includes some video of ICE bringing in some deadly
individuals. Setting quotas of 3000 a day is clearly going to move ICE
from removing criminals from the country to removing any undocumented individual they can find.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent leftistWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked >>>>>>>> lineup of rotten cherries?
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests. This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.Code but none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting: >>>>>>>>>
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California.
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartelties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member
with convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty, DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since 2020 but the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending, who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>>
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old ICE >is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so ICE >says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal >shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then >say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into >looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean
old ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better
life", so ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the
straight-up evil criminal shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the >> moviePigs of the world then say that's *also* unacceptable because it
"traps" Democrat politicians into looking bad when they stand up to oppose >> ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life",
so ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil
criminal shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the
world then say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat >>>>>>> politicians into looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting >>>>> for the wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families", >>>> you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals >>> that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to
deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen...
I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the United >States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no right >to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's >nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's the >single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't pretend >these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
I expect the officer (if identified) will claim it was an accident.
One that should never have occurred. Though he clearly aimed and fired
at her.
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-los-angeles-immigration-protests-trump/
Now there's looting.
https://www.newsweek.com/mass-looting-breaks-out-la-riots-intensify-2082622
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>>police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>>violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>>>that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>>>Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin, >thriving in chaos.
This article says 60 were arrested in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-los-angeles-immigration-protests-trump/
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For >>the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking >>them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
I posted a link to the video her producer was shooting while she was
shot.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentWhy shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S. >>>>>>>>> Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to >>>>>>>>> describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known >>>>>>>>> gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug >>>>>>>>> paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury.
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since >>>>>>>>> 2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it.
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists? >>>>>>>>
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those >>>>>>> cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of >>>>>>> illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven?
Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the >>>> simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on >>>> its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes>
It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are
invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old ICE >is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so ICE >says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal >shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then >say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into >looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are >>>>> invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and >>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.
Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to
describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent
to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known
gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury. >>>>>>>>>>>>
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine.
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful >>>>>>>>>>>> child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since
2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our >>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for >>>>>>>>>>>> removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of
illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven? >>>>>>>>
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the
simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes> >>>>>
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so
ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against >> anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws".
6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>>anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>>California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>>>police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>>>violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>>national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>>>>that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>>federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>>>>Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>>mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin, >>thriving in chaos.
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military >forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
. . .
On 6/9/2025 9:46 PM, shawn wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 02:08:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming
at?
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then
gives me a
spinning wheel.
However at a guess, maybe the cop was aiming for some miscreant near
or behind
her and missed. Or maybe he's an asshole who should be brought up on
charges.
Here's a couple of reports that include the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpV65-KJAm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDt1-L4KFPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeldxv-xfA
Stewart includes some video of˙ ICE bringing in some deadly
individuals. Setting quotas of 3000 a day is clearly going to move ICE
from removing criminals from the country to removing any undocumented
individual they can find.
They have already moved to "removing anyone they can find who looks Hispanic".
Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly >>>peaceful', Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further
north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States,
what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large
numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>> several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin,
thriving in chaos.
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military
forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
I am at a loss as to what you think the disagreement is.
On 6/10/2025 6:26 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>>>leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>>>federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>>>and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>>>of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>>>>anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>>>crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and >>>>>>>>deployed the California national guard. Newsom said army troops >>>>>>>>were unnecessary but police have been using anti-riot tactics, >>>>>>>>so what's the difference. The violent protests have continued >>>>>>>>for three days. News reports say that national guard troops have >>>>>>>>been deployed to protect federal property. If that's all they are >>>>>>>>being used for, I don't see how that usurps federalism. Newsom >>>>>>>>is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful >>>>>>>>assembly area". Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward >>>>>>>>curfew? What does that mean for a building owner trying to get >>>>>>>>security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>>>several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin, >>>>thriving in chaos.
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small >>>fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military >>>forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
I am at a loss as to what you think the disagreement is.
The way you phrased it seemed to imply that all the protesters were >"thriving in chaos", that's all.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better >>>>>>> life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil
criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting >>>>> for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families", >>>> you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals >>> that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to
deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen...
I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the United States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no right
to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's the single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't pretend
these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws". >>>Well, it certainly wasn't about laws during the Biden term, when he and his
government violated an entire title of the U.S. Code and essentially erased
the southern border.
Yes. As I said, it's not solely about the "rule of law".
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 18:57:02 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 8:43:15 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 7:19:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:It seems to be *somebody's* motivation that "example" illegals are >>>>>> invariably moral derelicts of one sort or another.
On 6/8/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 8, 2025 at 3:50:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:Those were the seven they picked up yesterday that earned the ire of the
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/8/2025 1:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist
protesters took to the streets and attacked police and federal agents
while
they were in the performance of making legal and >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional arrests.
This,
of course, is the very definition of insurrection under the U.S.
Code but
none
of our legacy media came anywhere close to using that term to
describe it.
Insurrection is a crime they apparently believe only conservatives can
commit.
Let's take a look at who ICE was violently attacked for arresting:
(1) An illegal alien from the Philippines, who has prior >>>>>>>>>>>>> convictions for
sexual penetration with a foreign object, assault with intent
to commit
rape,
and burglary in various jurisdictions around California. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
(2) An illegal alien from Mexico and known gang member with cartel
ties who
has convictions in Los Angeles for sexual battery, receiving stolen
property,
and theft.
(3) A previously deported illegal alien from Mexico and known
gang member
with
convictions for assault with a deadly weapon and possessing drug
paraphernalia.
(4) An illegal alien from Mexico with a conviction in Los Angeles for
assault
with a deadly weapon causing great bodily injury. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
(5) An illegal alien and aggravated felon from Mexico with a human
trafficking
conviction.
(6) An illegal alien from Ecuador with convictions in Florida for
conspiracy
to possess and distribute 5 kilos of cocaine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
(7) An illegal alien from Mexico with convictions in Orange County for
firing
a gun at an occupied dwelling, battery on spouse, willful
child cruelty,
DUI,
and assault with a firearm. He has had a deportation order since
2020 but
the
Biden crew just couldn't find the time to enforce it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
These are the people Mayor Bass and Governor Newsom are defending,
who they
say should be left alone and allowed to roam our >>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhoods, and who
hundreds of people showed up to attack ICE and the FBI for
removing from
those
neighborhoods.
What kind of sick society have we become when the police >>>>>>>>>>>>> literally have
rocks
thrown at their heads for arresting violent thugs and rapists?
Why shouldn't we assume your rogue's gallery is just a cherry-picked
lineup of rotten cherries?
You should most definitely assume that. ICE literally picked those
cherries
out of the crowd of the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of
illegals
in Los Angeles County.
They sent a bunch of agents to deport just those seven? >>>>>>>>>
mayor
and the governor, which in turn incited the violence against the agents.
Well, although the whole issue remains (imo) far more complex than the
simplistic rendering it usually gets, I'd have to congratulate ICE on
its P.R. trap in this instance.
Yes, because that's their motivation for all this. <rolls eyes> >>>>>>
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE
is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a better life", so
ICE
says, okay, we'll shift our focus to deporting the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against >>> anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
And, of course, this issue isn't only -- or even mostly -- about "laws".
Do try to stay on topic. Which "hard-working families" has Trump been targeting? There aren't any so that's why you just moved the
goalpost.
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:52:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 10:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 5:40:44 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violentOver Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a
crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . . >>>>>
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>>> federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed? >>>>>
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>> several days.
Oh, baloney. There's nothing heavy-handed about bringing in troops to
protect
federal property during a riot. This same thing happened in 2020 when Antifa
goons spent more than 150 days trying to burn down the federal courthouse in
Portland every single night while the local police did nothing to stop them.
It was up to the half dozen FPS officers on duty to protect the place, so >>> Trump sent in federal agents from across the country to back them up, and >>> just
like you've done here, the leftists immediately blamed Trump's attempt to >>> enforce the law and protect federal property as 'provocative' and
'heavy-handed'.
It's hilarious how you guys blame Trump for the dumpster fire Democrat-run
cities have become, despite there being no constitutional authority for the
federal government to usurp police power from state and local governments.
The
president literally has no authority to do anything about it, yet the one >>> time
he did try and address the one small part of the problem he did have
authority
over-- protecting federal property from rioters trying to destroy it-- and
the
Left shit kittens and demanded he withdraw the 'troops' and stay out of it.
Even those on this newsgroup were trying to pull this nonsense:
On 9/28/2020 01:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On 9/27/2020 10:11 AM suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with. >>>How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal >>>> buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and actions
indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew
them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been failing to
do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately
reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government
buildings be considered controversial or something the president was >>>> 'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the
doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about >>>> three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the
mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something.
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For >>>> the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking >>>> them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Notice how Dimensional doesn't seem to be "extremely troubled" by the
widespread violence committed by the rioters.
Yes. While the rioters break laws, the cops gut principles.
Exactly what principles have been gutted by the police in Los Angeles over the
last three days?
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:(I'm not clear what your comments have to do with my comments but hey,
Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly >>>>peaceful', Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further >>>>north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States, >>>what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large
numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
Do you think the chief of police uses a crystal ball, shawn, to make >decisions about predicting violence breaking out once large numbers of
people start protesting? Can he take that chance?
I remember the George Floyd protests of 2020, the aftermath of which was
bad in Chicago but nothing like Portland or Kenosha. There was march
after march after march, intending to disrupt commerce and business (to
the extent there was any during the pandemic shutdown). During a huge
rally blocking the expensive retail shopping area along North Michigan >Avenue, to which a large police presence had been called, cops failed to >notice massive gangs of looters in another retail area just two blockks
west. I'm not buying into conspiracy here that the looting was organized
by the same people who organized the protest, but it absolutely was not >coincidental and an outcome desired by those who had organized the
protest. There is no question that they were deliberately tying up
police resources and that property crimes would escalate.
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a >>>>>>>> better life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the >>>>>>>> world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat
politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..." >>>>>>
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into
rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal >>>> alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals
that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine
background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to >>>> deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen...
I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the
United
States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no
right
to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's
nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's the >> single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't
pretend
these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
You seem self-blinded to the complicating factor of humanitarianism ...which, to varying degrees, *everyone's* saddled with.
On 6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>> several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin,
thriving in chaos.
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
On 6/9/2025 11:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:52:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 10:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 5:40:44 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a
crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>>>> federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed? >>>>>>
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters. >>>>>>That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
Oh, baloney. There's nothing heavy-handed about bringing in troops to >>>> protect
federal property during a riot. This same thing happened in 2020 when >>>> Antifa
goons spent more than 150 days trying to burn down the federal
courthouse in
Portland every single night while the local police did nothing to stop >>>> them.
It was up to the half dozen FPS officers on duty to protect the place, so
Trump sent in federal agents from across the country to back them up, and
just
like you've done here, the leftists immediately blamed Trump's attempt to
enforce the law and protect federal property as 'provocative' and
'heavy-handed'.
It's hilarious how you guys blame Trump for the dumpster fire Democrat-run
cities have become, despite there being no constitutional authority for >>>> the
federal government to usurp police power from state and local governments.
The
president literally has no authority to do anything about it, yet the one
time
he did try and address the one small part of the problem he did have >>>> authority
over-- protecting federal property from rioters trying to destroy it-- and
the
Left shit kittens and demanded he withdraw the 'troops' and stay out of >>>> it.
Even those on this newsgroup were trying to pull this nonsense:
On 9/28/2020 01:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On 9/27/2020 10:11 AM suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with. >>>>How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal >>>>> buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and >>>>> actions
indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew
them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been
failing to
do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately
reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government >>>>> buildings be considered controversial or something the president was >>>>> 'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the >>>>> doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about
three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the
mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something. >>>>
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking >>>>> them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Notice how Dimensional doesn't seem to be "extremely troubled" by the >>>> widespread violence committed by the rioters.
Yes. While the rioters break laws, the cops gut principles.
Exactly what principles have been gutted by the police in Los Angeles over >> the
last three days?
The extreme protections we purport to afford journalists.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:43:57 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:(I'm not clear what your comments have to do with my comments but hey,
Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly
peaceful', Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further
north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States, >>>> what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large
numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
Do you think the chief of police uses a crystal ball, shawn, to make
decisions about predicting violence breaking out once large numbers of
people start protesting? Can he take that chance?
I'll play along.)
He doesn't get to make that choice. If the protestors are peaceful and following the law then there's nothing for the police to do.
On 6/10/2025 4:10 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 6/9/2025 9:46 PM, shawn wrote:Whether documented or not. They're not checking.
Stewart includes some video of˙ ICE bringing in some deadly
individuals. Setting quotas of 3000 a day is clearly going to move ICE
from removing criminals from the country to removing any undocumented
individual they can find.
They have already moved to "removing anyone they can find who looks
Hispanic".
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 2:25:56 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Here's a First Amendment violation that BTR1701 might agree with and
moviePig won't care about.
During crowd control, police fire nonlethal rubber bullet into leg of
Lauren Tomasi, a tv reporter from Australia, while she is reporting.
Here's the video her producer shot. What the hell was the cop aiming at? >>>
https://apnews.com/video/australian-reporter-hit-by-nonlethal-round-while-covering-intensifying-protests-in-los-angeles-9695217ad2fa48c9a1adc4fbb0091c59
The video won't load for me. It just plays a breast cancer ad, then gives >> me a
spinning wheel.
In a bizarre turn of events it played just fine for me.
Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:43:57 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly >>>>>peaceful', Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further >>>>>north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States, >>>>what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large >>>numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
Do you think the chief of police uses a crystal ball, shawn, to make >>decisions about predicting violence breaking out once large numbers of >>people start protesting? Can he take that chance?
(I'm not clear what your comments have to do with my comments but hey,
I'll play along.)
He doesn't get to make that choice. If the protestors are peaceful and >following the law then there's nothing for the police to do. Sure,
they need to be around and monitoring the situation but that's the
extent of their involvement.
If there is violence or law breaking then they need to step in.
. . .
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:00:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the >>> United
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United States against
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a >>>>>>>>> better life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the >>>>>>>>> world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat >>>>>>>>> politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..." >>>>>>>
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into >>>>>>> rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal >>>>> alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien criminals
that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine >>>>> background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to >>>>> deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen... >>>
States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no >>> right
to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's >>> nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's the
single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't >>> pretend
these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
You seem self-blinded to the complicating factor of humanitarianism
...which, to varying degrees, *everyone's* saddled with.
Again, every other nation on earth controls its borders without having to shrink away because of 'humanitarianism'. The Left strangely believes on the United States should bear this burden.
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:04:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 11:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:52:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/9/2025 10:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 5:40:44 PM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent
leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition
of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a
crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the
California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that
national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>>>>> federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway. >>>>>>>
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that
mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters. >>>>>>>That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
Oh, baloney. There's nothing heavy-handed about bringing in troops to >>>>> protect
federal property during a riot. This same thing happened in 2020 when >>>>> Antifa
goons spent more than 150 days trying to burn down the federal
courthouse in
Portland every single night while the local police did nothing to stop
them.
It was up to the half dozen FPS officers on duty to protect the place, so
Trump sent in federal agents from across the country to back them up, and
just
like you've done here, the leftists immediately blamed Trump's attempt to
enforce the law and protect federal property as 'provocative' and >>>>> 'heavy-handed'.
It's hilarious how you guys blame Trump for the dumpster fire Democrat-run
cities have become, despite there being no constitutional authority for
the
federal government to usurp police power from state and local governments.
The
president literally has no authority to do anything about it, yet the one
time
he did try and address the one small part of the problem he did have >>>>> authority
over-- protecting federal property from rioters trying to destroy it-- and
the
Left shit kittens and demanded he withdraw the 'troops' and stay out of
it.
Even those on this newsgroup were trying to pull this nonsense:
On 9/28/2020 01:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On 9/27/2020 10:11 AM suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
Portland was a trial run for how much he [Trump] could get away with.
How much he could get away with?!?!
Trump sent federal cops to stop a federal courthouse and other federal
buildings from being burned down by people whose express intent and >>>>>> actions
indicated that's exactly what they were trying to do. And then he withdrew
them after the city and state promised to do the job they'd been >>>>>> failing to
do and protect the courthouse, a promise they almost immediately >>>>>> reneged on.
Only in 2020 could stopping arsonists from burning down government >>>>>> buildings be considered controversial or something the president was >>>>>> 'trying to get away with'.
Meanwhile, those same 'mostly peaceful' protesters barricaded the >>>>>> doors to a police station and then tried to light it on fire with about
three dozen people inside-- an attempted mass murder-- and the >>>>>> mayor and the D.A. did literally nothing about it.
But Trump is the bad guy here, trying to 'get away with' something. >>>>>
The police/NG are also deliberately shooting reporters/journalists. For
the moment with rubber bullets but just the fact that they are picking
them out specifically to shoot is extremely troubling.
Notice how Dimensional doesn't seem to be "extremely troubled" by the >>>>> widespread violence committed by the rioters.
Yes. While the rioters break laws, the cops gut principles.
Exactly what principles have been gutted by the police in Los Angeles over
the
last three days?
The extreme protections we purport to afford journalists.
The vast majority journalists were injured were assaulted and battered by the rioters, not by the police. These black-bloc types hate the media almost as much as they hate cops. As for the ones hurt by the cops, if there's proof that a journalist was specifically targeted, then by all means discipline/charge that cop. But saying-- as I've seen leftist pundits do over the last couple of days-- that the cops shouldn't be allowed to use things like tear gas or pepper spray on the rioters because it also affects the journalists on the ground is bullshit. If they can't handle getting dosed when
tear gas is deployed on a crowd, then they should find another line of work.
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:12:50 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 13:43:57 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:(I'm not clear what your comments have to do with my comments but hey,
Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly >>>>>> peaceful', Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further >>>>>> north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States, >>>>> what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large
numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
Do you think the chief of police uses a crystal ball, shawn, to make
decisions about predicting violence breaking out once large numbers of
people start protesting? Can he take that chance?
I'll play along.)
He doesn't get to make that choice. If the protestors are peaceful and
following the law then there's nothing for the police to do.
But even the peaceful ones were not following the law. Flooding out onto the 101 and shutting down the freeway may be peaceful, but it's not legal, and it puts lives at risk.
On 6/10/2025 1:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:00:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the >>>> United
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United >>>>>>>> States against
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul >>>>>>>>>> that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a >>>>>>>>>> better life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the
world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat >>>>>>>>>> politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..." >>>>>>>>
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into >>>>>>>> rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal
alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien >>>>>> criminals
that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine >>>>>> background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to
deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen... >>>>
States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no
right
to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's >>>> nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's >>>> the
single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't >>>> pretend
these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
You seem self-blinded to the complicating factor of humanitarianism
...which, to varying degrees, *everyone's* saddled with.
Again, every other nation on earth controls its borders without having to >> shrink away because of 'humanitarianism'. The Left strangely believes on the
United States should bear this burden.
Sensible borders have never been attempted by either the Right or Left, afaik. But here we're talking about the inhumanity of ICE seizures.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:26 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came
anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and
deployed the California national guard. Newsom said army troops >>>>>>>>> were unnecessary but police have been using anti-riot tactics, >>>>>>>>> so what's the difference. The violent protests have continued >>>>>>>>> for three days. News reports say that national guard troops have >>>>>>>>> been deployed to protect federal property. If that's all they are >>>>>>>>> being used for, I don't see how that usurps federalism. Newsom >>>>>>>>> is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful
assembly area". Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward >>>>>>>>> curfew? What does that mean for a building owner trying to get >>>>>>>>> security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>>>> several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin, >>>>> thriving in chaos.
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military >>>> forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
I am at a loss as to what you think the disagreement is.
The way you phrased it seemed to imply that all the protesters were
"thriving in chaos", that's all.
In context, D.T., in context. This thread wasn't about an exercise of
First Amendment rights. In future, I'll try to remember to refer to the criminals as criminals and not protestors.
On Jun 10, 2025 at 2:03:46 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 1:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:00:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:43:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 8:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 1:57:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Lemme get this straight... the open borders crowd cries foul >>>>>>>>>>> that mean old
ICE is deporting "hard-working families just trying to find a >>>>>>>>>>> better life", so
ICE says, okay, we'll shift our focus to the straight-up evil criminal
shitbag illegal aliens and deport them, and the moviePigs of the
world then
say that's *also* unacceptable because it "traps" Democrat >>>>>>>>>>> politicians into
looking bad when they stand up to oppose ICE.
Wow.
"Relax, Trump's monkeys are eating only the *rotten* bananas..."
So we should not enforce the immigration laws of the United >>>>>>>>> States against
anyone at all because at a minimum, it'll trick Democrats into >>>>>>>>> rooting for the
wrong people.
Gotcha.
Sure. If you can buy that Trump won't go after "hard-working families",
you can buy anything.
They never claimed they wouldn't pursue deportation on every illegal
alien.
They said they would prioritize the 600,000 or so illegal alien >>>>>>> criminals
that Biden allowed into the country without so much as a routine >>>>>>> background
check, but that ultimately anyone who is here illegally is subject to
deportation.
Yet you wonder why some protest ICE arresting even The Dirty Dozen...
I don't wonder it. I acknowledge there are people who believe that the
United
States, alone among all the nations of the world, for some reason has no
right
to control its own borders or enforce any kind of immigration law. It's
nonsense, it's ridiculous, it's a recipe for national suicide, and it's
the
single most significant reason why Trump won the election, but I don't
pretend
these people don't exist.
I do, however, wonder why *you* seem to be one of them.
You seem self-blinded to the complicating factor of humanitarianism
...which, to varying degrees, *everyone's* saddled with.
Again, every other nation on earth controls its borders without having to >>> shrink away because of 'humanitarianism'. The Left strangely believes on the
United States should bear this burden.
Sensible borders have never been attempted by either the Right or Left,
afaik. But here we're talking about the inhumanity of ICE seizures.
(1) Immigration seizures are a necessary and major component of national border control.
(2) ICE seizures wouldn't be necessary if Biden hadn't thrown open the border in a free-for-all.
The Left doesn't get to create this massive mess, then complain that the people cleaning up their mess are 'inhumane' for doing so.
On 6/10/2025 5:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 2:03:46 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
On 6/10/2025 1:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:00:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Again, every other nation on earth controls its borders without having to
shrink away because of 'humanitarianism'. The Left strangely believes >>>> on the
United States should bear this burden.
Sensible borders have never been attempted by either the Right or Left, >>> afaik. But here we're talking about the inhumanity of ICE seizures.
(1) Immigration seizures are a necessary and major component of national
border control.
(2) ICE seizures wouldn't be necessary if Biden hadn't thrown open the
border
in a free-for-all.
The Left doesn't get to create this massive mess, then complain that the
people cleaning up their mess are 'inhumane' for doing so.
Seizures aren't rendered humane by being "necessary" ...and many people
will complain about them regardless of where original blame is laid.
On Jun 10, 2025 at 4:07:50 AM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>>>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>>>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>> several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin,
thriving in chaos.
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military
forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
Which is, of course, absolute bullshit, Dimensional. On Friday, long before Trump sent anyone in, ICE agents were not just being attacked, they were subject to multiple murder attempts. Cars were burning in the streets, stores were being vandalized and looted, and every square in of wallspace in Paramount was spray-painted with vulgar graffiti. Only in California do you have people claiming that you can't send police to stop violence and crime because that might upset the criminals.
On 6/9/2025 11:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 9, 2025 at 7:52:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
Yes. While the rioters break laws, the cops gut principles.
Exactly what principles have been gutted by the police in Los Angeles over >> the last three days?
The extreme protections we purport to afford journalists.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 4:07:50 AM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
On 6/9/2025 6:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>>>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and >>>>>>>>> federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal >>>>>>>>> and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>>>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>>>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>>>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . . >>>>Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>>>>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but
police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The
violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>>>>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If
that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps >>>>>>>> federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area".
Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>>>>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next >>>>>> several days.
In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
Oh, I agree. Trump and the protestors are two sides of the same coin,
thriving in chaos.
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military >>> forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
Which is, of course, absolute bullshit, Dimensional. On Friday, long before >> Trump sent anyone in, ICE agents were not just being attacked, they were
subject to multiple murder attempts. Cars were burning in the streets, stores
were being vandalized and looted, and every square in of wallspace in
Paramount was spray-painted with vulgar graffiti. Only in California do you >> have people claiming that you can't send police to stop violence and crime >> because that might upset the criminals.
NAH, anybody with TDS seems to echo the sediments.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:40:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 4:07:50 AM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military >>>> forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
Which is, of course, absolute bullshit, Dimensional. On Friday, long before
Trump sent anyone in, ICE agents were not just being attacked, they were >>> subject to multiple murder attempts. Cars were burning in the streets,
stores
were being vandalized and looted, and every square inch of wallspace in >>> Paramount was spray-painted with vulgar graffiti. Only in California do you
have people claiming that you can't send police to stop violence and crime >>> because that might upset the criminals.
NAH, anybody with TDS seems to echo the sediments.
Some of the illegal immigrants detained in the ICE-raids that sparked Los Angeles’ riots are convicted criminals with rap sheets for sexual assault, gang activity and even murder — including a Vietnamese national convicted of carrying out a mass shooting at a high school graduation party that shocked Southern California.
Cuong Chanh Phan, 49, was among dozens of illegal immigrants ICE arrested in LA over the weekend in a series of raids that prompted demonstrators to
flock to the streets and demand their freedom.
Phan is a killer, convicted of second-degree murder.
Democrats: Favoring mass shootings, sexual abuse, gang activity and even murder. Definitely NOT the party of JFK.
On Jun 8, 2025 at 6:34:36 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Thomas Sowell has a very insightful analysis of these riots and what
they mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8uGtYnTvg [15 minutes]
If the politicians in California had one thousandth of Sowell's smarts,
California would be a paradise instead of a former paradise trying to
become a hellhole.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
Notice it doesn't say
"Bring me hostile, free-loading assholes,
Waving their own flags."
One thing that stands out at every one of these illegal immigration protests is all the Mexican, Colombian, El Salvadoran, Venezuelan, and Nicaraguan flags
everywhere. Not one American flag among them.
That's what invaders do: they flood into your country under the banner of theirs.
On 6/9/2025 8:36 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:In part because of the overboard heavy handed Trump response.
On 6/9/2025 5:33 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Encouraged by the mayor and city council, over the weekend, violent >>>>> leftist protesters took to the streets and attacked police and
federal agents while they were in the performance of making legal
and constitutional arrests. This, of course, is the very definition >>>>> of insurrection under the U.S. Code but none of our legacy media came >>>>> anywhere close to using that term to describe it. Insurrection is a >>>>> crime they apparently believe only conservatives can commit. . . .
Over Governor Newsom's objections, Trump federalized and deployed the >>>> California national guard. Newsom said army troops were unnecessary but >>>> police have been using anti-riot tactics, so what's the difference. The >>>> violent protests have continued for three days. News reports say that >>>> national guard troops have been deployed to protect federal property. If >>>> that's all they are being used for, I don't see how that usurps
federalism. Newsom is going to court this morning anyway.
Police declared all of downtown Los Angeles "an unlawful assembly area". >>>> Why didn't they just declare a straight-forward curfew? What does that >>>> mean for a building owner trying to get security guards deployed?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/06/08/national-guard-los-angeles-protests-live-updates/84103374007/
Reports I had read indicated there were all of 100 protesters.
That was Friday. Numerous other people began protesting over the next
several days.
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:18:50 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 5:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 2:03:46 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 6/10/2025 1:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 8:00:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 6/9/2025 10:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
Again, every other nation on earth controls its borders without having to
shrink away because of 'humanitarianism'. The Left strangely believes >>>>> on the
United States should bear this burden.
Sensible borders have never been attempted by either the Right or Left, >>>> afaik. But here we're talking about the inhumanity of ICE seizures.
(1) Immigration seizures are a necessary and major component of national >>> border control.
(2) ICE seizures wouldn't be necessary if Biden hadn't thrown open the >>> border
in a free-for-all.
The Left doesn't get to create this massive mess, then complain that the >>> people cleaning up their mess are 'inhumane' for doing so.
Seizures aren't rendered humane by being "necessary" ...and many people
will complain about them regardless of where original blame is laid.
Yes, apparently you will.
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that >he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how >that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has* called >in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's >needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that >> he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has*
called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's >> needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or
inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of
a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever
they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has*
called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's >>> needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >>> inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of
a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever
they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious >enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, then >this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and if the >governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has* >>>> called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's
needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >>>> inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of >>> a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever
they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious
enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, then
this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and if the
governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so.
1) It's very clear that what was going on in Los Angeles is hyper
localized.
The reason given for not calling in the national guard was
that there was no reason to do so, which was confirmed by the mayor,
the governor and people on location.
It's ICE coming in without
notifying authorities so they could be prepared, and then Trump
sending in the federalized national guard that amped up the situation.
Sending them in without any support. No food, housing or monetary support.
On Jun 11, 2025 at 5:30:58 AM PDT, "EGK" <memyself@null.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:40:28 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 10, 2025 at 4:07:50 AM PDT, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtravel@sonic.net>
wrote:
I have to disagree with that. I admit there are _some_, a small
fraction, who were protesting violently but until Trump sent in military
forces the great majority were protesting peacefully.
Which is, of course, absolute bullshit, Dimensional. On Friday, long before
Trump sent anyone in, ICE agents were not just being attacked, they were >>>> subject to multiple murder attempts. Cars were burning in the streets, >>>> stores
were being vandalized and looted, and every square inch of wallspace in >>>> Paramount was spray-painted with vulgar graffiti. Only in California do you
have people claiming that you can't send police to stop violence and crime
because that might upset the criminals.
NAH, anybody with TDS seems to echo the sediments.
Some of the illegal immigrants detained in the ICE-raids that sparked Los
Angeles? riots are convicted criminals with rap sheets for sexual assault, >> gang activity and even murder ? including a Vietnamese national convicted of >> carrying out a mass shooting at a high school graduation party that shocked >> Southern California.
Cuong Chanh Phan, 49, was among dozens of illegal immigrants ICE arrested in >> LA over the weekend in a series of raids that prompted demonstrators to
flock to the streets and demand their freedom.
Phan is a killer, convicted of second-degree murder.
Democrats: Favoring mass shootings, sexual abuse, gang activity and even
murder. Definitely NOT the party of JFK.
But according to moviePig, ICE shouldn't be arresting illegal alien criminals >because Democrat politicians might not do their due diligence and look into >exactly who is being arrested and the crimes they've committed before they >jump in front of a camera and microphone and call for their release. Because >arresting criminals might 'trap' idiot Democrats into publicly beclowning >themselves, ICE shouldn't be allowed to arrest criminals. This is moviePig >logic. As if we all have a duty to protect Democrat politicians from their own >stupidity.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has* >>>>> called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's
needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >>>>> inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of >>>> a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever >>>> they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious >>> enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, then
this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and if the
governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so.
1) It's very clear that what was going on in Los Angeles is hyper
localized.
And the Jan6 riot wasn't? It literally was contained to one city block. You >can't get more localized than that.
As for L.A, don't be ridiculous. Violence has broken out from downtown to >Paramount to Compton and all the way up in Duarte.
Between the two, it was Jan6 that was by far the most hyper-localized and
yet that was the one for which the Dems were united in insisting that the >Guard should have been mobilized.
The reason given for not calling in the national guard was
that there was no reason to do so, which was confirmed by the mayor,
the governor and people on location.
The LAPD chief said on camera that his officers were overwhelmed and needed >help until he got a call from the mayor and was taken to the woodshed. Then >suddenly he claimed not to need help at all.
I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person
on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood
by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
As a Castro-loving revolutionary, violent leftist uprising is what she >admires. She's not complaining that ICE "didn't give her a heads-up", she's >complaining that ICE is enforcing the law at all. She doesn't believe
America should enforce its borders or even have them in the first place.
Plus she won't support anything that Trump does out of sheer reflex.
It's ICE coming in without
notifying authorities so they could be prepared, and then Trump
sending in the federalized national guard that amped up the situation.
I guess we can add shawn to the list of people who bizarrely think we >shouldn't send police to enforce the law because it might upset the >criminals.
Sending them in without any support. No food, housing or monetary support.
Which is exactly what would have happened on Jan6 also, had Trump done what >the Dems demanded and called in the Guard. There would have been no >logistical support in place, yet the Dems have been unshakable in their
claim that Trump's failure to mobilize the Guard made him responsible for
the mob's actions that day.
Are Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass just as responsible for *this* mob's
actions for their failure to mobilize the Guard?
Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6
is that he refused to call in the national guard to put down the >>>insurrection and how that makes him culpable for what the rioters
did. But now that he *has* called in the national guard to put down
an insurrection, those same Dems say it's needlessly provocative and
only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >>>inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of
a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever >>they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious >enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, >then this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate
and if the governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president
to do so.
But that's only true if Dems are logically consistent and not huge >hypocrites, something they struggle mightily with, I'll grant you.
. . .
The LAPD chief said on camera that his officers were overwhelmed and needed >help until he got a call from the mayor and was taken to the woodshed. Then >suddenly he claimed not to need help at all.
I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person
on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood
by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
As a Castro-loving revolutionary, violent leftist uprising is what she >admires. She's not complaining that ICE "didn't give her a heads-up", she's >complaining that ICE is enforcing the law at all. She doesn't believe
America should enforce its borders or even have them in the first place.
Plus she won't support anything that Trump does out of sheer reflex.
. . .
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>>> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection >>>>>> and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has* >>>>>> called in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same >>>>>> Dems say it's
needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or
inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of >>>>> a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever >>>>> they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious >>>> enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, >>>> then
this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and >>>> if the
governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so.
1) It's very clear that what was going on in Los Angeles is hyper
localized.
And the Jan6 riot wasn't? It literally was contained to one city block. You >> can't get more localized than that.
As for L.A, don't be ridiculous. Violence has broken out from downtown to
Paramount to Compton and all the way up in Duarte.
Between the two, it was Jan6 that was by far the most hyper-localized and
yet that was the one for which the Dems were united in insisting that the
Guard should have been mobilized.
Um I know you understand the difference between random businesses
being attacked and an attack on the nation's capitol.
Of course people would be calling for as much enforcement as possible to protect the
capitol.
The reason given for not calling in the national guard was
that there was no reason to do so, which was confirmed by the mayor,
the governor and people on location.
The LAPD chief said on camera that his officers were overwhelmed and needed >> help until he got a call from the mayor and was taken to the woodshed. Then >> suddenly he claimed not to need help at all.
Did that happen before or after the national guard entered the city?
Also what happened to the idea that ICE gives local law enforcement a
warning that they will be operating in the city. So that they could
prepare for the likely protests.
I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person
on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood >> by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing
criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
As a Castro-loving revolutionary, violent leftist uprising is what she
admires. She's not complaining that ICE "didn't give her a heads-up", she's >> complaining that ICE is enforcing the law at all. She doesn't believe
America should enforce its borders or even have them in the first place.
Plus she won't support anything that Trump does out of sheer reflex.
It's ICE coming in without
notifying authorities so they could be prepared, and then Trump
sending in the federalized national guard that amped up the situation.
I guess we can add shawn to the list of people who bizarrely think we
shouldn't send police to enforce the law because it might upset the
criminals.
Don't be an idiot. You know full well that's not what I said.
Notifying local law enforcement of ICE's upcoming actions allows them
to be better prepared ahead of time instead of having to respond on
the fly to any conflicts that occur.
Sending them in without any support. No food, housing or monetary support. >>Which is exactly what would have happened on Jan6 also, had Trump done what >> the Dems demanded and called in the Guard. There would have been no
logistical support in place, yet the Dems have been unshakable in their
claim that Trump's failure to mobilize the Guard made him responsible for
the mob's actions that day.
Though let's be clear that in that case it seems likely the National
Guard would have been deployed for at most a few days since the
majority of the people involved did not live in the area.
Are Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass just as responsible for *this* mob's
actions for their failure to mobilize the Guard?
I'm not in a position to tell if there was a need for the Guard or if
the crowd control could have been left to the local law enforcement. Certainly the rules say Newsom gets to make the call on whether the
Guard gets called out.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has* >>>>>> called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's
needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or >>>>>> inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of >>>>> a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever >>>>> they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious >>>> enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough, then
this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and if the
governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so.
1) It's very clear that what was going on in Los Angeles is hyper
localized.
And the Jan6 riot wasn't? It literally was contained to one city block. You >>can't get more localized than that.
As for L.A, don't be ridiculous. Violence has broken out from downtown to >>Paramount to Compton and all the way up in Duarte.
Between the two, it was Jan6 that was by far the most hyper-localized and >>yet that was the one for which the Dems were united in insisting that the >>Guard should have been mobilized.
Um I know you understand the difference between random businesses
being attacked and an attack on the nation's capitol. Of course people
would be calling for as much enforcement as possible to protect the
capitol.
The reason given for not calling in the national guard was
that there was no reason to do so, which was confirmed by the mayor,
the governor and people on location.
The LAPD chief said on camera that his officers were overwhelmed and needed >>help until he got a call from the mayor and was taken to the woodshed. Then >>suddenly he claimed not to need help at all.
Did that happen before or after the national guard entered the city?
Also what happened to the idea that ICE gives local law enforcement a
warning that they will be operating in the city. So that they could
prepare for the likely protests.
I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person >>on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood >>by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >>criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
As a Castro-loving revolutionary, violent leftist uprising is what she >>admires. She's not complaining that ICE "didn't give her a heads-up", she's >>complaining that ICE is enforcing the law at all. She doesn't believe >>America should enforce its borders or even have them in the first place. >>Plus she won't support anything that Trump does out of sheer reflex.
It's ICE coming in without
notifying authorities so they could be prepared, and then Trump
sending in the federalized national guard that amped up the situation.
I guess we can add shawn to the list of people who bizarrely think we >>shouldn't send police to enforce the law because it might upset the >>criminals.
Don't be an idiot. You know full well that's not what I said.
Notifying local law enforcement of ICE's upcoming actions allows them
to be better prepared ahead of time instead of having to respond on
the fly to any conflicts that occur.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:25:25 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>>>> wrote:1) It's very clear that what was going on in Los Angeles is hyper
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6 is that
he refused to call in the national guard to put down the insurrection >>>>>>> and how
that makes him culpable for what the rioters did. But now that he *has*
called
in the national guard to put down an insurrection, those same Dems say it's
needlessly provocative and only makes the situation worse.
Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or
inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.
Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of
a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever >>>>>> they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.
That's not the case in California.
Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious
enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious
enough, then
this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate and >>>>> if the
governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president to do so. >>>>
localized.
And the Jan6 riot wasn't? It literally was contained to one city block. You >>> can't get more localized than that.
As for L.A, don't be ridiculous. Violence has broken out from downtown to >>> Paramount to Compton and all the way up in Duarte.
Between the two, it was Jan6 that was by far the most hyper-localized and >>> yet that was the one for which the Dems were united in insisting that the >>> Guard should have been mobilized.
Um I know you understand the difference between random businesses
being attacked and an attack on the nation's capitol. Of course people
would be calling for as much enforcement as possible to protect the
capitol.
Laughter.
Being escorted around by the police through the building is somehow comparable to burning down businesses, homes and openly violent
rioting....
On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 22:50:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 19:27:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
Were these the same 'reports' that told you everything was 'mostly peaceful',
Dimensional? The crowd sizes were a helluva lot further north than 100.
https://ibb.co/HDVhqC0s
Unless the scenes I saw were from somewhere outside the United States,
what I saw wasn't peaceful at all.
Then you weren't looking very hard. Yes, there were protests that
weren't peaceful, but there were also protests going on with large
numbers of people that were completely peaceful. Though the violence
is what is always going to get covered the most.
I wonder what would happen if a bunch of 'undocumented' Americans all
swarmed the Plaza de la Constituci˘n in Mexico City, waving American flags >and setting cars on fire and hurling rocks at the heads of cops. How long
do you think the Mexican government would put up with that before putting >those Americans down hard?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person
wrote:
on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood >> by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing
criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
On Jun 12, 2025 at 5:25:25 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person >>> on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood >>> by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing
wrote:
criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary. >>
Well, here's something that might illustrate the extent of her stunning >incompetence for you:
As I'm sure you know, in January we had a disaster, where two entire cities >burned to their foundations in a firestorm of historic proportions. It has >since come to light that one of the most significant reasons it occurred was >because Karen Bass had funded the fire department at literally half the >required strength in terms of personnel and resources that a city this size >needs.
And now, here in June, when it's time for the mayor to send the city's budget >up, rather than learn anything from the godawful and stunningly negligent >mistakes of the past, she's slashed the budget of the fire department EVEN >FURTHER. And she cut 45% of the jobs in the city's Department of Emergency >Management. And after two weeks of violent rioting, she decided to defund the >police even further, also. (A city the size of Los Angeles needs 10,000 >officers. We're currently at 8,500 and by the time the Olympics roll around, >we'll be down to 7,900 under Karen's budget.)
Obviously this woman isn't intelligent enough to manage a Starbucks, let alone >the nation's second-largest city.
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:35:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 12, 2025 at 5:25:25 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> >>>>> wrote:I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person >>>> on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood
by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >>>> criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary. >>>
Well, here's something that might illustrate the extent of her stunning
incompetence for you:
As I'm sure you know, in January we had a disaster, where two entire cities >> burned to their foundations in a firestorm of historic proportions. It has >> since come to light that one of the most significant reasons it occurred was >> because Karen Bass had funded the fire department at literally half the
required strength in terms of personnel and resources that a city this size >> needs.
And now, here in June, when it's time for the mayor to send the city's budget
up, rather than learn anything from the godawful and stunningly negligent
mistakes of the past, she's slashed the budget of the fire department EVEN >> FURTHER. And she cut 45% of the jobs in the city's Department of Emergency >> Management. And after two weeks of violent rioting, she decided to defund the
police even further, also. (A city the size of Los Angeles needs 10,000
officers. We're currently at 8,500 and by the time the Olympics roll around, >> we'll be down to 7,900 under Karen's budget.)
Obviously this woman isn't intelligent enough to manage a Starbucks, let
alone
the nation's second-largest city.
Though maybe the problem isn't her, but the voters that thought she
was the best option.
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:35:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 12, 2025 at 5:25:25 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> >>>>> wrote:I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person >>>> on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood >>>> by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >>>> criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary. >>>
Well, here's something that might illustrate the extent of her stunning
incompetence for you:
As I'm sure you know, in January we had a disaster, where two entire cities >> burned to their foundations in a firestorm of historic proportions. It has >> since come to light that one of the most significant reasons it occurred was >> because Karen Bass had funded the fire department at literally half the
required strength in terms of personnel and resources that a city this size >> needs.
And now, here in June, when it's time for the mayor to send the city's budget
up, rather than learn anything from the godawful and stunningly negligent
mistakes of the past, she's slashed the budget of the fire department EVEN >> FURTHER. And she cut 45% of the jobs in the city's Department of Emergency >> Management. And after two weeks of violent rioting, she decided to defund the
police even further, also. (A city the size of Los Angeles needs 10,000
officers. We're currently at 8,500 and by the time the Olympics roll around, >> we'll be down to 7,900 under Karen's budget.)
Obviously this woman isn't intelligent enough to manage a Starbucks, let alone
the nation's second-largest city.
Though maybe the problem isn't her, but the voters that thought she
was the best option.
On 6/17/2025 11:21 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:35:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >>> On Jun 12, 2025 at 5:25:25 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
Well, here's something that might illustrate the extent of her stunning
incompetence for you:
As I'm sure you know, in January we had a disaster, where two entire cities >>> burned to their foundations in a firestorm of historic proportions. It has >>> since come to light that one of the most significant reasons it occurred was
because Karen Bass had funded the fire department at literally half the
required strength in terms of personnel and resources that a city this size >>> needs.
And now, here in June, when it's time for the mayor to send the city's budget
up, rather than learn anything from the godawful and stunningly negligent >>> mistakes of the past, she's slashed the budget of the fire department EVEN >>> FURTHER. And she cut 45% of the jobs in the city's Department of Emergency >>> Management. And after two weeks of violent rioting, she decided to defund the
police even further, also. (A city the size of Los Angeles needs 10,000
officers. We're currently at 8,500 and by the time the Olympics roll around,
we'll be down to 7,900 under Karen's budget.)
Obviously this woman isn't intelligent enough to manage a Starbucks, let alone
the nation's second-largest city.
Though maybe the problem isn't her, but the voters that thought she
was the best option.
Or the Federal government ending various funding programs that help pay
for things like police and fire service?
On 6/17/2025 11:21 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:35:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Jun 12, 2025 at 5:25:25 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:47:48 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:12:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> >>>>>> wrote:I wouldn't trust Karen Bass to manage an emergency if she was last person
on earth. Through a mixture of incompetence and gross negligence she stood
by and let the city burn in January and she's standing by and allowing >>>>> criminals to run free now. Of course she said the Guard wasn't necessary.
I can't comment on that as I have zero idea of how capable she is.
Well, here's something that might illustrate the extent of her stunning >>> incompetence for you:
As I'm sure you know, in January we had a disaster, where two entire cities
burned to their foundations in a firestorm of historic proportions. It has >>> since come to light that one of the most significant reasons it occurred was
because Karen Bass had funded the fire department at literally half the >>> required strength in terms of personnel and resources that a city this size
needs.
And now, here in June, when it's time for the mayor to send the city's
budget
up, rather than learn anything from the godawful and stunningly negligent >>> mistakes of the past, she's slashed the budget of the fire department EVEN >>> FURTHER. And she cut 45% of the jobs in the city's Department of Emergency >>> Management. And after two weeks of violent rioting, she decided to defund >>> the
police even further, also. (A city the size of Los Angeles needs 10,000 >>> officers. We're currently at 8,500 and by the time the Olympics roll around,
we'll be down to 7,900 under Karen's budget.)
Obviously this woman isn't intelligent enough to manage a Starbucks, let >>> alone
the nation's second-largest city.
Though maybe the problem isn't her, but the voters that thought she
was the best option.
Or the Federal government ending various funding programs that help pay
for things like police and fire service?
| Sysop: | Tetrazocine |
|---|---|
| Location: | Melbourne, VIC, Australia |
| Users: | 9 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 121:12:55 |
| Calls: | 161 |
| Files: | 21,502 |
| Messages: | 78,895 |