A very curious thing has happened in Germany in recent days. No less
than SIX candidates of the "far right" AfD (Alternative for Germany)
party have died suddenly. Five of them have been deemed to have died of natural causes while the sixth was deemed a suicide.

Co-leader of the AfD, Alice Wiedel (an open lesbian), scoffs at the idea
that all of these candidates died naturally (plus one suicide) in such a
short time just before regional elections, declaring it statistically
almost impossible.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/six-afd-candidates-in-north-rhine-westphalia-election-campaign-dead/

I have to admit that six sudden deaths affecting the same party seems EXTREMELY unlikely. This raises the obvious question: if these deaths
weren't natural, who is behind them?

The AfD did very well in the last national election and I believe they continue to do very well in polling in much of Germany with a strong possibility of winning. That gives their opponents very strong
motivation to take drastic action. Those opponents aren't all in Germany either. The AfD has a distinctly pro-Moscow view of foreign relations so
it's not inconceivable that the Ukrainians are behind these deaths. (I
say that very reluctantly because I strongly believe that Ukraine
deserves to win the current war and get all of its stolen territory back.)
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On Sep 2, 2025 at 9:56:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

A very curious thing has happened in Germany in recent days. No less
than SIX candidates of the "far right" AfD (Alternative for Germany)
party have died suddenly. Five of them have been deemed to have died of natural causes while the sixth was deemed a suicide.

Co-leader of the AfD, Alice Wiedel (an open lesbian), scoffs at the idea that all of these candidates died naturally (plus one suicide) in such a short time just before regional elections, declaring it statistically
almost impossible.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/six-afd-candidates-in-north-rhine-westphalia-election-campaign-dead/

I have to admit that six sudden deaths affecting the same party seems EXTREMELY unlikely.

Yeah, something fishy's going on there. Where has anim been over the last
week? Are there any grassy knolls in Germany?



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On 2025-09-02 1:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Sep 2, 2025 at 9:56:24 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

A very curious thing has happened in Germany in recent days. No less
than SIX candidates of the "far right" AfD (Alternative for Germany)
party have died suddenly. Five of them have been deemed to have died of
natural causes while the sixth was deemed a suicide.

Co-leader of the AfD, Alice Wiedel (an open lesbian), scoffs at the idea
that all of these candidates died naturally (plus one suicide) in such a
short time just before regional elections, declaring it statistically
almost impossible.


https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/six-afd-candidates-in-north-rhine-westphalia-election-campaign-dead/

I have to admit that six sudden deaths affecting the same party seems
EXTREMELY unlikely.

Yeah, something fishy's going on there. Where has anim been over the last week? Are there any grassy knolls in Germany?

I think we can be reasonably certain that Germany has at least a few
grassy knolls ;-)

It's not clear from the article exactly when each death occurred;
presumably they didn't all die the same day. We know anim was home for
the haboob so he might have an alibi for at least some of the deaths ;-)
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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

A very curious thing has happened in Germany in recent days. No less
than SIX candidates of the "far right" AfD (Alternative for Germany)
party have died suddenly. Five of them have been deemed to have died of >natural causes while the sixth was deemed a suicide.

Co-leader of the AfD, Alice Wiedel (an open lesbian), scoffs at the idea >that all of these candidates died naturally (plus one suicide) in such a >short time just before regional elections, declaring it statistically
almost impossible.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/six-afd-candidates-in-north-rhine-westphalia-election-campaign-dead/

I have to admit that six sudden deaths affecting the same party seems >EXTREMELY unlikely. This raises the obvious question: if these deaths >weren't natural, who is behind them?

I don't agree that it was unlikely. In four of the five deaths of
natural causes, the deceased had known serious chronic illnesses. That
may leave some suspicion of the fifth, if there was no determination of
an unknown illness, and whether the suicide was truly suicide.

The AfD did very well in the last national election and I believe they >continue to do very well in polling in much of Germany with a strong >possibility of winning. That gives their opponents very strong
motivation to take drastic action. Those opponents aren't all in Germany >either.

Let us recall that they rose in popularity by no longer expressing
political ideas that sounded pro-Nazi in any way, and then choosing as
their leading candidate a young man who was leading-man handsome.

The AfD has a distinctly pro-Moscow view of foreign relations so
it's not inconceivable that the Ukrainians are behind these deaths. (I
say that very reluctantly because I strongly believe that Ukraine
deserves to win the current war and get all of its stolen territory back.)

We've never heard of such an assasination, so let's not speculate on
that. Given that Putin is not only KGB but trying to put Catherine the
Great's empire back together amd grab anything Stalin got in the Molotov
pact, and a Neo-Nazi party would be trying to bring back the glory of an expansionist Prussian Empire, and Russia and Prussia were rivals,
how the fuck are these idiots pro-Putin?

They don't even know their own pseudo-historical myths.

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On 2025-09-02 3:56 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

A very curious thing has happened in Germany in recent days. No less
than SIX candidates of the "far right" AfD (Alternative for Germany)
party have died suddenly. Five of them have been deemed to have died of
natural causes while the sixth was deemed a suicide.

Co-leader of the AfD, Alice Wiedel (an open lesbian), scoffs at the idea
that all of these candidates died naturally (plus one suicide) in such a
short time just before regional elections, declaring it statistically
almost impossible.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/six-afd-candidates-in-north-rhine-westphalia-election-campaign-dead/

I have to admit that six sudden deaths affecting the same party seems
EXTREMELY unlikely. This raises the obvious question: if these deaths
weren't natural, who is behind them?

I don't agree that it was unlikely. In four of the five deaths of
natural causes, the deceased had known serious chronic illnesses. That
may leave some suspicion of the fifth, if there was no determination of
an unknown illness, and whether the suicide was truly suicide.

I haven't seen any articles that clarified just when these people died.
If all of them died in on the same day or in a span of just a few days,
you have to admit that looks suspicious; if the deaths occurred over the
span of a few months and some took place in hospitals, it all starts to
look more plausible.

I'm assuming that their pre-existing conditions weren't all that severe
or they wouldn't have put their names forward as candidates. It's hard
to imagine someone who knows they're dying standing for election.

The AfD did very well in the last national election and I believe they
continue to do very well in polling in much of Germany with a strong
possibility of winning. That gives their opponents very strong
motivation to take drastic action. Those opponents aren't all in Germany
either.

Let us recall that they rose in popularity by no longer expressing
political ideas that sounded pro-Nazi in any way, and then choosing as
their leading candidate a young man who was leading-man handsome.

I didn't know that bit; most videos and articles I've seen focus on
co-leader Alice Weidel who is well-known to be a lesbian. That also goes
some ways to suggesting that the AfD is not quite as "far right" as its critics might have us believe.

The AfD has a distinctly pro-Moscow view of foreign relations so
it's not inconceivable that the Ukrainians are behind these deaths. (I
say that very reluctantly because I strongly believe that Ukraine
deserves to win the current war and get all of its stolen territory back.)

We've never heard of such an assasination, so let's not speculate on
that. Given that Putin is not only KGB but trying to put Catherine the Great's empire back together amd grab anything Stalin got in the Molotov pact, and a Neo-Nazi party would be trying to bring back the glory of an expansionist Prussian Empire, and Russia and Prussia were rivals,
how the fuck are these idiots pro-Putin?

They don't even know their own pseudo-historical myths.

It's well known by analysts that the Russians have been indulging in
many acts of "hybrid warfare" in Europe in recent years. But apparently
the politicians have agreed to keep it quiet as a political strategy.

Suppose Putin or the bosses at the FSB have decided to mount a deception operation. They want Ukraine to look bad and to have Western nations
distance themselves from Ukraine. What kind of acts might cause that?
Killing Western politicians, especially ones that were sympathetic to
Russia, might very do that IF THEY COULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE UKRAINE WAS RESPONSIBLE. After all, Ukraine would have a motive - wanting to avoid
the risk that the AfD comes to power and then withdraws German support
from Ukraine - so they're bound to come under suspicion at some point, especially if a few bits of intriguing evidence are left behind,
carefully planted by the FSB of course. We've all seen frame-ups on TV
dramas so there are any number of ways the Russians could have done the
deeds but make the Ukrainians look guilty.
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In <1097l3h$3ul8i$8@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

[snip]

I'm assuming that their pre-existing conditions weren't all that severe
or they wouldn't have put their names forward as candidates. It's hard
to imagine someone who knows they're dying standing for election.

I forget... Rhino is maybe Canadian? Hence wouldn't know about that
curious case in Missouri, US, where people voted for a dead, as in
already buried, candidate for US Senate (former Democratic Governor
Mel Carnhan) over Republican John Ashcroft.

They did this knowing the new governor would appoint Carnahan's widow..

Your local(and Gernamy's) election laws may differ....
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.. dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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On 2025-09-02 7:08 PM, danny burstein wrote:

In <1097l3h$3ul8i$8@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

[snip]

I'm assuming that their pre-existing conditions weren't all that severe
or they wouldn't have put their names forward as candidates. It's hard
to imagine someone who knows they're dying standing for election.

I forget... Rhino is maybe Canadian?

Correct.

Hence wouldn't know about that
curious case in Missouri, US, where people voted for a dead, as in
already buried, candidate for US Senate (former Democratic Governor
Mel Carnhan) over Republican John Ashcroft.

They did this knowing the new governor would appoint Carnahan's widow..

Actually, I vaguely remember reading about that a few years back. Wasn't
there a similar event back in the 70s or 80s where an Alaskan senator
died in a plane crash a few days before the election and still got
elected? I think his wife served in his place.

Your local(and Gernamy's) election laws may differ....

The articles I've read said that the election commission in Germany was
going to print new ballots and the AfD was going to be able to put
forward alternate candidates to the men who died.

That could still hurt their vote share dramatically; presumably the replacement candidate would be a weaker candidate otherwise HE/SHE would
have been the one nominated originally. The original candidate might
have been very well known and popular while the replacement might be
some obscure backroom person. (Of course other scenarios are possible.)
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danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

[snip]

I'm assuming that their pre-existing conditions weren't all that severe
or they wouldn't have put their names forward as candidates. It's hard
to imagine someone who knows they're dying standing for election.

I forget... Rhino is maybe Canadian? Hence wouldn't know about that
curious case in Missouri, US, where people voted for a dead, as in
already buried, candidate for US Senate (former Democratic Governor
Mel Carnhan) over Republican John Ashcroft.

They did this knowing the new governor would appoint Carnahan's widow..

Your local(and Gernamy's) election laws may differ....

I came to St. Louis to be on the campaign staff in 1992 when he was
elected governor. Missouri has a two-term limit which is why he was
running for Senate in 2000.

The Lt. Governor, Roger Wilson, succeeded him for the remaining 2 1/2
months of the term. It was the weirdness that the unexpired term ended
after Member of Congress and Senators are sworn in that allowed him make
the appointment. There was, of course, some speculation that he might
appoint himself but he no longer wanted to hold elected office.

I knew everyone on that plane. Carnahan, obviously, Chris Sifford, who
was his press secretary. His son Randy was the pilot.

Carnahan was losing to Ashcroft. After his death, Ashcroft simply
stopped campaigning.

Had Ashcroft been re-elected to the Senate, George W. Bush wouldn't have appointed him Attorney General. He lobbied for the Patriot Act (but so
had Janet Reno, who had wanted many of its provisions during the Clinton administration), and authorized torture.

Jeannie Carnahan wasn't elected to fill the unexpired United States
Senate term in 2002.

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On 2025-09-02 8:09 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

[snip]

I'm assuming that their pre-existing conditions weren't all that severe
or they wouldn't have put their names forward as candidates. It's hard
to imagine someone who knows they're dying standing for election.

I forget... Rhino is maybe Canadian? Hence wouldn't know about that
curious case in Missouri, US, where people voted for a dead, as in
already buried, candidate for US Senate (former Democratic Governor
Mel Carnhan) over Republican John Ashcroft.

They did this knowing the new governor would appoint Carnahan's widow..

Your local(and Gernamy's) election laws may differ....

I came to St. Louis to be on the campaign staff in 1992 when he was
elected governor. Missouri has a two-term limit which is why he was
running for Senate in 2000.

The Lt. Governor, Roger Wilson, succeeded him for the remaining 2 1/2
months of the term. It was the weirdness that the unexpired term ended
after Member of Congress and Senators are sworn in that allowed him make
the appointment. There was, of course, some speculation that he might
appoint himself but he no longer wanted to hold elected office.

I knew everyone on that plane. Carnahan, obviously, Chris Sifford, who
was his press secretary. His son Randy was the pilot.

Carnahan was losing to Ashcroft. After his death, Ashcroft simply
stopped campaigning.

Had Ashcroft been re-elected to the Senate, George W. Bush wouldn't have appointed him Attorney General. He lobbied for the Patriot Act (but so
had Janet Reno, who had wanted many of its provisions during the Clinton administration), and authorized torture.

Jeannie Carnahan wasn't elected to fill the unexpired United States
Senate term in 2002.

I just found this list of dead people who had been elected to office in
the US. One of the entries on the list is about the Alaskan air crash
from the 1972 that I mentioned elsewhere in the thread:

https://listverse.com/2018/08/14/10-times-dead-people-won-elections/
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