On Veterans' Day, I watched:
What did you watch?
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned >how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government >decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned
how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no taxes
reap the rewards.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned
how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government >> decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
How come?
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned >how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government >decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no taxes >reap the rewards.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned
how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government >>decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no taxes
reap the rewards.
How are you not eligible for oil and gas depletion allowances?
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I
mentioned
how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government
decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
How come?
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no
taxes
reap the rewards.
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
What did you watch?
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
What did you watch?
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series in
a long time.
Chinatown (4K disc) 1974 Neo-noir movie directed by Roman Polanski and >starring Jack Nicholson as a detective in 1930s Los Angeles
investigating a the murder of Faye Dunaway's husband after a different
woman shows up claiming to be the wife. I think this might be only the >second time I ever watched this movie. I went in not really remembering >what to expect, other than the twist, which everyone already knows
about. I know there's a sequel, but it's not available to stream
anywhere for free.
L.A. Confidential (blu-ray) 1997 Neo-noir movie staring Guy Pearce,
Russell Crowe, and Kevin Spacey as Los Angeles cops in the 1950s >investigating a murder that involves women who have undergone plastic >surgery to look like famous movie stars. At least that's about as
simple as I can make this complicated plot. The movie holds up very well.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 20:53:17 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I mentioned
how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever the government >> decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
It was never going to happen as it was just Trump floating an idea to
help make people feel better about his Presidency. He has offered to
use the tariff money to resolve multiple issues from the debt to
invest in the top 100 companies to providing stimulus to citizens.
It's the solution to everything but there's not enough money to even
begin to resolve all the issues Trump mentions. Plus it was just a few minutes after Trump floated the idea that Scott Bessent shot it down
on some news show.
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series in
a long time.
What did you watch?
I watched:
Chinatown (4K disc) 1974 Neo-noir movie directed by Roman Polanski and starring Jack Nicholson as a detective in 1930s Los Angeles
investigating a the murder of Faye Dunaway's husband after a different
woman shows up claiming to be the wife. I think this might be only the second time I ever watched this movie. I went in not really remembering what to expect, other than the twist, which everyone already knows
about. I know there's a sequel, but it's not available to stream
anywhere for free.
Gangster Squad (blu-ray) This is a 2013 movie set in 1949, staring Josh Brolin as a Los Angeles cop who puts together a team of cops (including
Ryan Gosling, Robert Patrick, and Anthony Mackie) to take down a
gangster played by Sean Penn. These cops follow the "Arrow" rules of
crime fighting. They can kill as many henchmen and underlings as they
want, the but the big boss can't be touched because if they kill him
someone will just take his place. I didn't realize it until I saw the
disc was still in the shrinkwrap, but this must be the first time I've watched this movie since the original release. It was OK.
L.A. Confidential (blu-ray) 1997 Neo-noir movie staring Guy Pearce,
Russell Crowe, and Kevin Spacey as Los Angeles cops in the 1950s investigating a murder that involves women who have undergone plastic surgery to look like famous movie stars. At least that's about as
simple as I can make this complicated plot. The movie holds up very well.
Brick (4K disc) 2005 Neo-noir movie starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt as a
high school student who is investigating the murder of a missing student
at his high school. Even though the movie is set in modern times, and
most of the characters are literally high school students, everyone acts
and talks like characters from a Neo-noir mystery movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088MG7hxLa4
I also caught the first episode of PLUR1BUS on AppleTV+. It a new
sci-fi show from Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul).
The trailers for this show were vague at best, and now that I've watched
the first episode, I really can't say what it's about without spoilers.
Even acknowledging it's sci-fi may be a bit of a spoiler, but that fact becomes clear almost from the start of the first episode. But I guess I
can kind of talk around the plot. It stars Rhea Seehorn from Better
Call Saul. And something happens that...I can't say because
spoilers...but it leaves her in a really bad position to be in, and it
may be up to her to save all of humanity. And her prospects for saving
all of humanity is *not* looking good. Here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lzvWby9UE
I watched episode 2 today. Episode 2 is better and starts to explain a
lot more about what is going on. And those prospects for saving
humanity take a turn for the worse once things become clear. This is definitely going to be an uphill fight.
I am enjoying the show, especially after episode 2. The pre show plot description made it sound like Rhea's character is a bad person trying
to make everyone in the world miserable. That is definitely not the
case! But again, what is really going on is too much of a spoiler to explain.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 18:58:08 -0800, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series in
a long time.
I still have that movie on my list of things to watch.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
On Veterans' Day, I watched:
What did you watch?
Hey, thanks for asking!
BOSTON BLUE S01E04 ?Rights of Passage?
Another lousy episode
This was mostly about whether the lady cop will take her final test to be Jewish. I think they completely forgot about her old partner that Danny was trying to get her to have smooches with. Danny says that he is officially moved to Boston to help take care of his son, but I have no idea why as his son is fully recovered enough to join the police force
SHIFTING GEARS.
I skipped it entirely
MURDER IN A SMALL TOWN
The Ginormous, Vicious Gigantic Evil Killer Bear Attacks.
Somehow, I managed to miss this as well, although it wasn?t intentional
MURDOCH MYSTERIES
The Borden Ultimatum
Godless Russians impersonate the Prime Minister and try to start a war with America for their own evil purposes
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
A Japanese scholar is involved in a murder and he turns out to be inspector Choi?s brother
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series in
a long time.
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
On Veterans' Day, I watched:
What did you watch?
Hey, thanks for asking!
BOSTON BLUE S01E04 ?Rights of Passage?
Another lousy episode
This was mostly about whether the lady cop will take her final test to be Jewish. I think they completely forgot about her old partner that Danny was trying to get her to have smooches with. Danny says that he is officially moved to Boston to help take care of his son, but I have no idea why as his son is fully recovered enough to join the police force
On 11/12/2025 6:58 PM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:I watched the movie back when it first came out.ÿ And the movie is set between seasons 3 and 4 so....
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series
in a long time.
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
Chinatown (4K disc) 1974 Neo-noir movie directed by Roman Polanski and
starring Jack Nicholson as a detective in 1930s Los Angeles
investigating a the murder of Faye Dunaway's husband after a different
woman shows up claiming to be the wife. I think this might be only the
second time I ever watched this movie. I went in not really remembering
what to expect, other than the twist, which everyone already knows
about. I know there's a sequel, but it's not available to stream
anywhere for free.
The Two Jakes (1990) is a relentlessly mediocre movie. I saw it in
theater, not immediately realizing it was a sequel to Chinatown.
The tiny man who slices Jake's nose is Roman Polanski.
Faye Dunaway was terrific. I dislike Jake Gittes (Nicholson), and I
don't get why the audience is supposed to see him as the hero. He makes
every situation worse.
Jerry Goldsmith famously wrote the score in a weekend after the original composer was fired.
Chinatown had an amazing 11 Oscar nominations, losing to Godfather Part
II in every category in which they competed. It won only best original screenplay.
L.A. Confidential (blu-ray) 1997 Neo-noir movie staring Guy Pearce,
Russell Crowe, and Kevin Spacey as Los Angeles cops in the 1950s
investigating a murder that involves women who have undergone plastic
surgery to look like famous movie stars. At least that's about as
simple as I can make this complicated plot. The movie holds up very well.
This is one of my favorite movies. All-Australian cast!
On 11/13/2025 6:54 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 6:58 PM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:I watched the movie back when it first came out.ÿ And the movie is set
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series
in a long time.
between seasons 3 and 4 so....
Good catch!ÿ That would have been when I last watched the movie, in preparation for season 4.
On Nov 12, 2025 at 9:23:11 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
On Veterans' Day, I watched:
What did you watch?
Hey, thanks for asking!
BOSTON BLUE S01E04 ?Rights of Passage?
Another lousy episode
This was mostly about whether the lady cop will take her final test to be
Jewish. I think they completely forgot about her old partner that Danny was >> trying to get her to have smooches with. Danny says that he is officially
moved to Boston to help take care of his son, but I have no idea why as his >> son is fully recovered enough to join the police force
I just watched this last night. I nearly fell off the sofa with laughter when they showed the police commissioner herself leading the stack as SWAT stormed a bank that was being robbed. I always used to guffaw when Danny would put himself at the head of the SWAT team, but it adds a whole new level of absurdity when the police commissioner herself is doing it. I suppose we probably would have seen it on BLUE BLOODS also if Magnum didn't have to stay seated for most of his scenes.
The whole 'family dinner' aspect of this show just isn't working for me, either. They're trying real hard to recreate the vibe from the original show but with an obvious DEI directive from the network sabotaging the whole thing.
You can almost hear the conversation in the writers's room:
"Okay, so the family dinner is a BLUE BLOODS trademark. How are we gonna do that with just Danny and Sean?"
"Don't forget, the network says the family dinner also has to be diverse. They
never liked those scenes on the mother show of nothing but white people sitting around the dinner table."
And that's how we ended up with family dinner scenes with not just blacks and whites blended together, but half of them are Jewish, too. I'm seriously
surprised there's not a handicapped troon at that dinner table who's decided to convert to Islam.
11/12/2025 9:01 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
L.A. Confidential (blu-ray) 1997 Neo-noir movie staring Guy Pearce, >>>Russell Crowe, and Kevin Spacey as Los Angeles cops in the 1950s >>>investigating a murder that involves women who have undergone plastic >>>surgery to look like famous movie stars. At least that's about as
simple as I can make this complicated plot. The movie holds up very well.
This is one of my favorite movies. All-Australian cast!
Be careful you don't cause an international incident calling Russell
Crowe Australian. ;-)
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
On 11/12/2025 5:45 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/12/2025 9:23 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
I finished watching season 4 of 'Veronica Mars'.
Are you going to watch the movie next?
The last time I watched the movie, I found it enjoyable, but had
somewhat of a hard time connecting since I hadn't watched the series in >>> a long time.
I still have that movie on my list of things to watch.
Kristen Bell has gone so far out of her way to make herself relentlessly >unlikable that I doubt I'll ever revisit any of her projects again. :-(
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever
the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no >taxes reap the rewards.
In article <10f2s3t$1mvgv$2@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
On Nov 12, 2025 at 1:30:41 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I
mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever
the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
The people who pay the taxes get none of it back, while those who pay no
taxes reap the rewards.
We are dangerously close to 51% of the population not paying taxes.
We are doomed at that point.
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily >solve the housing crisis.
. . .
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I
mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>> the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>> reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily
solve the housing crisis.
Bonk. Who do you think builds housing?
Nov 14, 2025 at 2:25:42 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>>>mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>>>the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>>>reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily >>>solve the housing crisis.
Bonk. Who do you think builds housing?
We used to be able to build houses without millions of illegal aliens.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 2:25:42 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>>atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>>>>mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>>>>the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>>>>reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily >>>>solve the housing crisis.
Bonk. Who do you think builds housing?
We used to be able to build houses without millions of illegal aliens.
Immigrants, not illegal aliens, have always been building tradesmen. >Carpenters from Poland, plumbers from Italy, laborers from Mexico
Trump's picking up EVERYBODY. A couple of weeks ago, a highway worker --
an Indian immigrant who had naturalized -- was arrested and held for
hours. A construction foreman complained that his Mexican workers -- all
of whom had work permits, required so he has insurance -- were held for >hours, which made his project days behind.
You should be infuriated by all the civil rights violations but you are >letting Trump off the hook because it's immigration.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 2:25:42 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>>>> mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>>>> the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>>>> reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily >>>> solve the housing crisis.
Bonk. Who do you think builds housing?
We used to be able to build houses without millions of illegal aliens.
Immigrants, not illegal aliens, have always been building tradesmen. Carpenters from Poland, plumbers from Italy, laborers from Mexico
Trump's picking up EVERYBODY. A couple of weeks ago, a highway worker --
an Indian immigrant who had naturalized -- was arrested and held for
hours. A construction foreman complained that his Mexican workers -- all
of whom had work permits, required so he has insurance -- were held for hours, which made his project days behind.
You should be infuriated by all the civil rights violations but you are letting Trump off the hook because it's immigration.
Nov 14, 2025 at 4:03:19 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
. . .
You should be infuriated by all the civil rights violations but you are >>letting Trump off the hook because it's immigration.
I guess ignoring the law with regard to immigration is just the status quo >these days. The Democrats ignored the law for four years when they threw open >the border and let millions flood in unchecked and unvetted. So now the >Republicans are doing the same. It's the world we're living in now, >apparently.
On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 00:03:19 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 2:25:42 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
. . .
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>>>>> mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>>>>> the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards
reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily >>>>> solve the housing crisis.
Bonk. Who do you think builds housing?
We used to be able to build houses without millions of illegal aliens.
Immigrants, not illegal aliens, have always been building tradesmen.
Carpenters from Poland, plumbers from Italy, laborers from Mexico
Trump's picking up EVERYBODY. A couple of weeks ago, a highway worker --
an Indian immigrant who had naturalized -- was arrested and held for
hours. A construction foreman complained that his Mexican workers -- all
of whom had work permits, required so he has insurance -- were held for
hours, which made his project days behind.
But they looked like foreigners so that's enough for Trump's people to
detain them for hours. Shouldn't be that way but we are apparently
living in some alternate universe where the laws are whatever the
people in charge say they are.
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that
news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration
court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an argument that one is an American.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that
news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration
court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an argument that one is an American.
11/15/2025 12:19 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that
news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration
court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an >>argument that one is an American.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/us-world/article/deport-citizen-immigration-ice-20774259.php
On 11/15/2025 12:19 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that
news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration
court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an >>argument that one is an American.
Uh, you haven't noticed that the Trump Administration has been playing
shell games with detainees, moving them from state to state so they
_can't_ even have an attorney, let alone a court appearance? The law
says the deportation has to be ordered by an immigration judge but the
Trump Administration has been shipping detainees out without even court >hearings.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Nov 14, 2025 at 4:03:19 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
. . .
You should be infuriated by all the civil rights violations but you are >>>letting Trump off the hook because it's immigration.
I guess ignoring the law with regard to immigration is just the status quo >>these days. The Democrats ignored the law for four years when they threw open >>the border and let millions flood in unchecked and unvetted. So now the >>Republicans are doing the same. It's the world we're living in now, >>apparently.
Why won't you just stand up for what you believe in? Seize the moral
high ground here.
Also, what do you care if the process plays itself out? As immigrants
become naturalized, they aren't reliably voting Democratic. More and
more Mexican ethnics are voting Republican. Venezualans and Cuban
ethnics are terrified of socialism and vote Republican. About the only >community still reliably voting Democratic are Puerto Ricans.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
11/15/2025 12:19 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>> them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that
news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration
court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an
argument that one is an American.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/us-world/article/deport-citizen-immigration-ice-20774259.php
The article says that there were two expedited removals -- not
deportations -- after an arrest during the Clinton administration and
finally had to appear in a deportation hearing to get a judge to
acknowledge that he was an American citizen to quash the removal orders.
There's another expedited removal order based on seemingly falsified documentation but they haven't picked him up yet when the article was written.
On 11/15/2025 9:54 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
11/15/2025 12:19 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
. . .
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>>>them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
But an American literally removed to another country? Do you have that >>>>news story? For one thing, a deportation is ordered by an immigration >>>>court administrative law judge, so there would be a chance to make an >>>>argument that one is an American.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/us-world/article/deport-citizen-immigration-ice-20774259.php
The article says that there were two expedited removals -- not
deportations -- after an arrest during the Clinton administration and >>finally had to appear in a deportation hearing to get a judge to >>acknowledge that he was an American citizen to quash the removal orders.
There's another expedited removal order based on seemingly falsified >>documentation but they haven't picked him up yet when the article was >>written.
Hence why CBP/Immigration keep shuffling detainees around, so the
detained can't get legal aid or contact with a lawyer, let alone get a >hearing where a judge could quash the orders.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/expedited-removal/
Note: Expedited Removal ONLY applies to NON-CITIZENS.
"Once an immigration officer determines that a noncitizen is subject to >expedited removal, that same officer orders the noncitizen removed.
Unlike other removal orders, an expedited removal order cannot normally
be appealed and carries a five-year reentry bar in most circumstances."
So, three times now Immigration has tried to use Expedited Removal on
the same US CITIZEN.
Given the number of people who are being detained and the secrecy and
out right lying that the current administration is employing to cover
the scale of the removals and deportations, do you really think NO US >citizens have been removed from the country?
We also have a Republican Congressman openly stating that all citizens >should always carry papers proving their citizenship, which I believe
you have already argued is illegal.
Never mind the fact that federal
agents have insisted that any such documentation carried by those being >profiled are forged and fake.
I also point you to this wiki page: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration
It has a lengthy list of known instances of federal agents detaining and
at least beginning proceedings to remove US citizens from the country.
On Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <10f2s3t$1mvgv$2@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
"Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I
mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>> the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards
reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily solve >the housing crisis.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
In article <10f85i9$33mlh$3@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
On Nov 14, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PST, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>> In article <10f2s3t$1mvgv$2@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
"Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
TRUMP FLOATS NEW STIMULUS CHECKS, $2K CHECKS FUNDED BY TARIFFS, MAGA >>>>> DIVIDED
Which is nothing but more fuel for inflation, but regardless, have I >>>> mentioned how sick I am of somehow never being eligible for it whenever >>>> the government decides to hold a free giveaway of tax money?
Better than printing the money, I guess, but I'd rather it all go towards >>> reducing the deficeit. It's certainly better than 50-year mortgages!
We need 50 million deportations, not 50-year mortgages. That will easily
solve
the housing crisis.
It's being worked on, but the Dems are fighting it every step of the way.
I gotta say his self-deportation plan was ingenious.
We also have a Republican Congressman openly stating that all citizens >should always carry papers proving their citizenship, which I believe
you have already argued is illegal. Never mind the fact that federal
agents have insisted that any such documentation carried by those being >profiled are forged and fake.
It's being worked on, but the Dems are fighting it every step of the way.
I gotta say his self-deportation plan was ingenious.
In article <10fan9f$3nopl$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote: >>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
Their children aren't Americans. You really need to stop repeating that lie.
[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <10fan9f$3nopl$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote: >>>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>>them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
Their children aren't Americans. You really need to stop repeating that lie. >>
[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]
On what grounds does a US-born baby get denied citizenship?
I agree it's a bad law (so far as I know the ONLY US-born kids who
don't are the children of foreign diplomats) but the US is the best
known "birthright citizenship" though there was an item in our local
paper (in Canada) about a child born at 35000 feet in a jetliner that
was overflying Canada (but had not originated or landed at a Canadian >airport.
lcraver@home.ca wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <10fan9f$3nopl$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>>> them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
Their children aren't Americans. You really need to stop repeating that lie.
[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]
On what grounds does a US-born baby get denied citizenship?
Babies born on US soil with foreign parents do not get citizenship.
People who claim they do are misinterperetting an amendment which
was created to keep Democrats from denying former slaves their citizenship.
I agree it's a bad law (so far as I know the ONLY US-born kids who
don't are the children of foreign diplomats) but the US is the best
known "birthright citizenship" though there was an item in our local
paper (in Canada) about a child born at 35000 feet in a jetliner that
was overflying Canada (but had not originated or landed at a Canadian
airport.
I have an explaination better than I cana rticulate somewhere.
lcraver@home.ca wrote:
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <10fan9f$3nopl$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
Not just detaining, some citizens have been deported.
We've heard of deported mothers taking their American-born children with >>>> them. Obviously there were aliens with papers sent out of the country.
Their children aren't Americans. You really need to stop repeating that lie.
[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]
On what grounds does a US-born baby get denied citizenship?
Babies born on US soil with foreign parents do not get citizenship.
People who claim they do are misinterperetting an amendment which
was created to keep Democrats from denying former slaves their citizenship.
I agree it's a bad law (so far as I know the ONLY US-born kids who
don't are the children of foreign diplomats) but the US is the best
known "birthright citizenship" though there was an item in our local
paper (in Canada) about a child born at 35000 feet in a jetliner that
was overflying Canada (but had not originated or landed at a Canadian
airport.
I have an explaination better than I cana rticulate somewhere.
I'm not much of a fan of accomplishing the goal of ending the insanity of >birthright citizenship via 'interpretation'-- amending the Constituent >directly to eliminate it is a much better way to go-- but there is precedent >for such a position:
Even if one believes that United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S.
649 (1898) was rightly decided, thereby creating a definitive floor
for citizenship within the Constitution, outside Congress'
regulatory power, for kids born to all immigrants, there is no way
that can apply to people who come here without the legal consent of
the nation.
It's absurd to assert that people who are supposed to be off our
soil can, strictly by trespassing on it, achieve the ultimate
benefit of citizenship for their kids.
The 14th Amendment stipulates two requirements for birthright
citizenship: that the individual be born "in the United States and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Let's put aside the debate
over what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. Nobody can
unilaterally assert jurisdiction against the collective will of the
nation.
But even if the 14th Amendment didn't contain the second
condition and only stipulated that the child must be "born in the
United States", it is beyond settled law that if you are here
without consent, it is quite literally as if you are not present in
this country.
This concept should not only shut down the phony
birthright citizenship debate once and for all, but end this notion
that illegals can come here and demand other benefits or standing in
court for specific status against the will of the political branches
of government simply because they successfully landed on our soil.
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