• Law & Order "Guardian" 11/13/2025 (spoilers)

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 17 09:20:38 2025
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    The super-woke lectures are back and we get them from multiple
    characters, including Riley and Price. And we learn about the super woke exception to the rules of discovery and whether a police officer may
    leave exculpatory evidence out of a case file without committing a
    felony.

    There was a truly bizarre discussion of spousal privilege that I don't
    recall has ever come up on this show in all these years. It didn't sound
    right to me, but what do I know.

    David Ajala joins the cast as Theo Walker, ex-narc now homicide
    detective as Riley's partner. Is there such a thing as a low key,
    sensitive narc? There's one idiotic scene in which Riley, seeking to
    interview a manager/rapper at a nightclub is blocked by his armed
    security guard. Riley keeps deliberately pissing the guy off, calling
    him "bro" till he's just about to draw his weapon. I'm hearing Will
    Smith as Hancock, Call me "asshole" just one more time... Walker goes
    super sensitive and talks the guy out of brandishing his weapon but does threaten to shoot him.

    The guy they wanted to interview didn't have to speak to them but it's a
    public place and no one can prevent police from approaching. Isn't that literally obstructing justice? Riley might have arrested the guy but
    he's effectively apologetic to his new partner.

    I've seen Ajala before. He was on Supergirl but I've put that show
    almost completely out of mind and do not recall him. But this show can't
    bave too many English actors in the cast.

    A new six-abreast walk is filmed for the opening credits.

    Lt. Brady implies she knows something about Walker she needs to warn
    Riley about, then holds her tongue.

    Maroun (Odelya Halevi) finally gets screen time, in the bond hearing in
    which she's showing a hell of a lot of her delightful cleavage, and at
    the prosecution table, in which she's dressed plainly.

    The police investigation is massive STOOPID. In the first interview
    scene, husband and wife (guardians of the dead teenage basketball
    phenomenon) are interviewed together, along with their naturl-born son
    who gets no lines. If they'd been interviewed separately as real
    detectives would insist on, they'd have made the arrest immediately.

    The spousal privilege discussion made zero sense. Realizing that the
    husband lied, they finally bring husband and wife to the police station
    and, this time, interview them separately. The wife informs police that
    he confessed to committing the crime to her.

    Suddenly, spousal privilege is asserted and the wife is no longer a
    witness for the prosecution. But the defense attorney played by Dylan
    Baker, sleaze par excellence, argues that privilege belongs to the
    husband.

    I'm flabbergasted. In order for there to be a confidence, you actually
    have to shut the fuck up and not reveal it. She made a disclosure to
    police so how exactly can she be prevented from testifying?

    I always thought that the spouse that knows the confidential information asserts privilege so he/she cannot be compelled to testify, but can
    testify voluntarily.

    During trial, there's complaint after complaint by Price that the
    defense is making the victim into a Dangerous Negro, and the key
    witness, also black, is having racist cliches used against him because
    he's black. The defense called him a two-time felon and a panhandler.
    Well, he was convicted of felonies in two separate cases and was
    panhandling, so where's the racism? But it got real STOOPID when the
    defense accused him of lying to protect someone from the community and
    he took a payoff from the boy, who put an absurd amount of cash into his
    cup. 'Cuz the boy somehow knew he was about to be killed and needed a
    witness to spin a lie.

    BTR1701's complaints versus the writers are heard. The affirmative
    defense of self defense is asserted during the bond hearing.

    The defendant asserts that he was afraid of his foster son because
    they'd had a violent confrontation weeks earlier in which the son was
    the aggressor.

    Once again, Anthony is not there to assist the prosecutors. Walker
    volunteers to get secret video evidence from the school janitor who
    simply instlled surveillamce equipment on his own. I just realized that
    the existence of private surveillance was not disclosed at all. The
    janitor shows Walker the relevant video and, low and behold, it's
    exculpatory! The son was the aggressor!

    Walker lies to Price about the existence of the exculpatory evidence.

    I don't recall what the charge was, 2nd or 3rd degree murder. It may not
    have been a crime of intent at all and the father could have been acting
    on fear from the previous confrontation. It may not have been self
    defense but manslaughter might have been the appropriate charge.

    Did anybody hear the charge?

    Riley, not trusting Walker, spoke to the janitor separately who told him
    about the tape. After the guilty verdict, both men agree that Walker
    didn't commit a crime...

    Uh, obstruction of justice? Lying to a prosecutor?

    Riley is just upset that if he does something unethical that he discuss
    it with Riley first.

    This just be the woke exception to discovery, due process, and the confrontation clause found in the 14th and 1/2 Amendment if racism.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 17 21:22:01 2025
    On Nov 17, 2025 at 1:20:38 AM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    The super-woke lectures are back and we get them from multiple
    characters, including Riley and Price.

    Price and Baxter were also on SVU this week, arguing with Olivia Benson!

    And we learn about the super woke
    exception to the rules of discovery and whether a police officer may
    leave exculpatory evidence out of a case file without committing a
    felony.

    That was curious, wasn't it? I must have been on a sick day in law school when they covered that.

    David Ajala joins the cast as Theo Walker ex-narc now homicide
    detective as Riley's partner. Is there such a thing as a low key,
    sensitive narc? There's one idiotic scene in which Riley, seeking to interview a manager/rapper at a nightclub is blocked by his armed
    security guard. Riley keeps deliberately pissing the guy off, calling
    him "bro" till he's just about to draw his weapon. I'm hearing Will
    Smith as Hancock, Call me "asshole" just one more time... Walker goes
    super sensitive and talks the guy out of brandishing his weapon but does threaten to shoot him.

    Having had my own encounters with uppity private security guards, I was with Riley on that one.

    I've seen Ajala before. He was on Supergirl but I've put that show
    almost completely out of mind and do not recall him. But this show can't
    bave too many English actors in the cast.

    Cleveland Booker from STAR TREK: DISCOVERY

    A new six-abreast walk is filmed for the opening credits.

    I was holding out hope for Yee to be promoted to Main Cop, but alas no. She probably wasn't diverse enough.

    The spousal privilege discussion made zero sense. Realizing that the
    husband lied, they finally bring husband and wife to the police station
    and, this time, interview them separately. The wife informs police that
    he confessed to committing the crime to her.

    Suddenly, spousal privilege is asserted and the wife is no longer a
    witness for the prosecution. But the defense attorney played by Dylan
    Baker, sleaze par excellence, argues that privilege belongs to the
    husband.

    That's true.

    I'm flabbergasted. In order for there to be a confidence, you actually
    have to shut the fuck up and not reveal it. She made a disclosure to
    police so how exactly can she be prevented from testifying?

    Because the privilege was the husband's (as the defendant) to assert. It doesn't matter if the wife wants to disclose or even does disclose, it's inadmissible as evidence unless the husband consents.

    Same is true for therapist/patient and priest/penitent privileges. If, for example, the priest breaks his vow and actually tells the cops something incriminating from the confessional, it can't be used as evidence unless the parishioner consents to it.

    BTR1701's complaints versus the writers are heard. The affirmative
    defense of self defense is asserted during the bond hearing.

    And even so, that's not enough. It has to be officially asserted before trial in a special pleading.

    This just be the woke exception to discovery, due process, and the confrontation clause found in the 14th and 1/2 Amendment if racism.

    Does moviePig have a career opportunity here to teach a 14.5 Amendment module at law schools around the country?



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Mon Nov 17 21:57:02 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Nov 17, 2025 at 1:20:38 AM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    David Ajala joins the cast as Theo Walker ex-narc now homicide
    detective as Riley's partner. Is there such a thing as a low key,
    sensitive narc? There's one idiotic scene in which Riley, seeking to >>interview a manager/rapper at a nightclub is blocked by his armed
    security guard. Riley keeps deliberately pissing the guy off, calling
    him "bro" till he's just about to draw his weapon. I'm hearing Will
    Smith as Hancock, Call me "asshole" just one more time... Walker goes
    super sensitive and talks the guy out of brandishing his weapon but does >>threaten to shoot him.

    Having had my own encounters with uppity private security guards, I was with >Riley on that one.

    It was a crowded night club. I was against the security guard shooting.

    The spousal privilege discussion made zero sense. Realizing that the >>husband lied, they finally bring husband and wife to the police station >>and, this time, interview them separately. The wife informs police that
    he confessed to committing the crime to her.

    Suddenly, spousal privilege is asserted and the wife is no longer a
    witness for the prosecution. But the defense attorney played by Dylan >>Baker, sleaze par excellence, argues that privilege belongs to the
    husband.

    That's true.

    I'm flabbergasted. In order for there to be a confidence, you actually
    have to shut the fuck up and not reveal it. She made a disclosure to
    police so how exactly can she be prevented from testifying?

    Because the privilege was the husband's (as the defendant) to assert. It >doesn't matter if the wife wants to disclose or even does disclose, it's >inadmissible as evidence unless the husband consents. . . .

    Ok. I didn't understand. I guess he cannot prevent the wife from
    revealing a confidence, only preventing her from testifying in court.

    BTR1701's complaints versus the writers are heard. The affirmative
    defense of self defense is asserted during the bond hearing.

    And even so, that's not enough. It has to be officially asserted before
    trial in a special pleading.

    I figured it was just conflated to speed things up, not to mention
    a different judge presides at the bond hearing. On tv, the arraignment
    and bond hearings are typically shown together. In reality, are they
    separate hearings?

    . . .

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