• The Evolution of a Narrative: Somali Fraud Edition

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 11 19:27:36 2026
    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 11 20:46:56 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.

    I was going to comment after listening to a radio analysis earlier, On
    the Media.

    A Deadly ICE Shooting in Minnesota. Plus, Trump Plays King in Venezuela.
    On the Media
    WNYC Studios
    January 9, 2026

    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/a-deadly-ice-shooting-in-minnesota-plus-trump-plays-king-in-venezuela

    Please note that the second segment, starting twenty minutes in, is real journalism about Venezuala from a Venezuala exiled in Montreal. He's
    quite skeptical about Trump but then rattles off crimes that the Maduro
    regime committed. Yes, the drug trafficking was real. Trump made up shit
    about what drugs were being trafficked and to where, but the journalist
    said that corruption from drug trafficking was pervassive throughout
    society. He also explained what Hugo Chavez did and why he and nearly
    his entire family and nearly all his friends are in exile.

    Back to rampant Somali fraud. The journalist interviewed was Jeffrey
    Meitrodt, Minnesota Star Tribune. They go over and over the absurd
    rhetoric versus Somalis, making the case that it's racist, etc. When one
    argues that the entire community committed fraud and one can point to
    the one recipient of welfare funds who wasn't, the argument is lost.
    That's about not saying absolute shit in the first place, not that there
    was no significant fraud.

    At first, I though Nick Shirley did legitimate reporting but now it
    sounds like the whole thing was a cheap shot. Also, Shirley was led to
    these day care centers by David Hoch and didn't choose them himself. In
    fact checking the ten locations, the fact-checking reporter, another
    reporter with Meitrodt, was able to obsrve five locations. There were
    children. That's not quite debunking Shirley but that does tell us that
    Shirley was not perforning the days-long surveillance necessary to announce that no children were being cared for. They didn't debunk Shirley's claims
    on the other five locations but neither did Shirley justify his claims.

    https://www.startribune.com/day-care-fraud-minnesota-video/601554760

    I'm withdrawing my support for the kid.

    More than half way into the interview, the reporter is finally asked
    about the fraud. Remember, the fraud was ignored by state government; it
    was this newspaper that brought it to the public's attention. The
    interviewer stated,

    Fraud has been a perennial storyline for Minnesota leaders,
    investigators, and newsrooms for many years. It's also true that
    some Somali Americans have been implicated before, most famously
    in the prosecution of Feeding Our Families, a Minnesota
    nonprofit that fraudulently received over $240 million during
    Governor Tim Walz' tenure. This week, he decided to throw in the
    towel.

    Walz's political career has come to an ignomineous end; no story there.

    The reporter then named the better-known fraud cases.

    Note that from local reporting, top officials in state government were
    not persuing the fraud investigation because of fear of loss of
    political support from the Somali community. This is what horrified
    people and finally made it a national story prior to the Shirley video.

    That's Walz being paternalistic. They can't help being corrupt because
    of widespread corruption in Somalia. The entire community is dishonest;
    those not participating in fraud don't want the criminals prosecuted.

    If anything, Trump jumped on the bandwagon more than a decade late.

    To paraphrase an infamous Trump quote, there's bad rhetoric on both
    sidss. Don't make it about racism and don't make it racist. Trump could
    have taken the moral high ground and just promised that state
    Republicans would provide good government.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 11 21:16:38 2026
    On Jan 11, 2026 at 12:46:56 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.

    At first, I though Nick Shirley did legitimate reporting but now it
    sounds like the whole thing was a cheap shot. Also, Shirley was led to
    these day care centers by David Hoch and didn't choose them himself. In
    fact checking the ten locations, the fact-checking reporter, another
    reporter with Meitrodt, was able to obsrve five locations. There were children.

    Most of those children were brought in after Shirley's expose as props to pretend to the public that "Look, we're not criminals, we do have children here!"

    The infamous "Learing Center" was one of them. No children for the entire time (about a week) that Shirley observed them. Neighbors and other business owners in the area said there were never any children. Then after Shirley's video
    went national and they became a laughing stock, suddenly there were parents making a big show of dropping off their kids. But even that only lasted for a week or so. Now the "Learing Center" is listed as closed on the state web
    site.

    That's not quite debunking Shirley but that does tell us that
    Shirley was not perforning the days-long surveillance necessary to announce that no children were being cared for.

    It actually doesn't tell us that.

    More than half way into the interview, the reporter is finally asked
    about the fraud. Remember, the fraud was ignored by state government;

    Looks like the mayor of Seattle is even more determined to let the Somalis get away with fraud in her city than the Minnesotans were. She outright stated in an interview that despite reputable media uncovering evidence of significant benefits fraud among the Somalis in Seattle, she has absolutely no interest in investigating it.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2009747275623403520/vid/avc1/1280x720/1vJsNYAxqkjT2n5o.mp4



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 11 21:54:22 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 11, 2026 at 12:46:56 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.

    At first, I though Nick Shirley did legitimate reporting but now it
    sounds like the whole thing was a cheap shot. Also, Shirley was led to >>these day care centers by David Hoch and didn't choose them himself. In >>fact checking the ten locations, the fact-checking reporter, another >>reporter with Meitrodt, was able to obsrve five locations. There were >>children.

    Most of those children were brought in after Shirley's expose as props to >pretend to the public that "Look, we're not criminals, we do have children >here!"

    In one case, the reporters were shown time-stamped security videos from
    the day Shirley was there, evidence of children.

    The infamous "Learing Center" was one of them. No children for the entire >time (about a week) that Shirley observed them. Neighbors and other
    business owners in the area said there were never any children. Then
    after Shirley's video went national and they became a laughing stock, >suddenly there were parents making a big show of dropping off their
    kids. But even that only lasted for a week or so. Now the "Learing Center"
    is listed as closed on the state web site.

    In the five locations the reporters got into, they saw stuff for kids
    that had been there a while and didn't think they were being suckered.

    That's not quite debunking Shirley but that does tell us that
    Shirley was not perforning the days-long surveillance necessary to announce >>that no children were being cared for.

    It actually doesn't tell us that.

    Shirley was there at the specific times on his videos and not at other
    times. Surveillance would have required an entire day and then multiple
    days of observation.

    The Shirley videos are a distraction. The case that welfare abuse was
    committed had already been made by reporting by established media, so I
    wish you'd stop poo poohing legitimate journalism. This reporting
    brought down Tim Walz, not Shirley.

    More than half way into the interview, the reporter is finally asked
    about the fraud. Remember, the fraud was ignored by state government;

    Looks like the mayor of Seattle is even more determined to let the
    Somalis get away with fraud in her city than the Minnesotans were. She >outright stated in an interview that despite reputable media uncovering >evidence of significant benefits fraud among the Somalis in Seattle,
    she has absolutely no interest in investigating it.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2009747275623403520/vid/avc1/1280x720/1vJsNYAxqkjT2n5o.mp4

    I'm not arguing that politicians ever learn. If suspicious activity is
    brought to the attention of government, then it really is about fraud.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Jan 11 22:02:37 2026
    On Jan 11, 2026 at 1:54:22 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 11, 2026 at 12:46:56 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.

    At first, I though Nick Shirley did legitimate reporting but now it
    sounds like the whole thing was a cheap shot. Also, Shirley was led to
    these day care centers by David Hoch and didn't choose them himself. In
    fact checking the ten locations, the fact-checking reporter, another
    reporter with Meitrodt, was able to obsrve five locations. There were
    children.

    Most of those children were brought in after Shirley's expose as props to
    pretend to the public that "Look, we're not criminals, we do have children >> here!"

    In one case, the reporters were shown time-stamped security videos from
    the day Shirley was there, evidence of children.

    The infamous "Learing Center" was one of them. No children for the entire
    time (about a week) that Shirley observed them. Neighbors and other
    business owners in the area said there were never any children. Then
    after Shirley's video went national and they became a laughing stock,
    suddenly there were parents making a big show of dropping off their
    kids. But even that only lasted for a week or so. Now the "Learing Center" >> is listed as closed on the state web site.

    In the five locations the reporters got into, they saw stuff for kids
    that had been there a while and didn't think they were being suckered.

    How to attract women in 2026:

    https://ibb.co/PzDd8p2h

    That's not quite debunking Shirley but that does tell us that
    Shirley was not perforning the days-long surveillance necessary to announce >>> that no children were being cared for.

    It actually doesn't tell us that.

    Shirley was there at the specific times on his videos and not at other
    times. Surveillance would have required an entire day and then multiple
    days of observation.

    The Shirley videos are a distraction. The case that welfare abuse was committed had already been made by reporting by established media, so I
    wish you'd stop poo poohing legitimate journalism. This reporting
    brought down Tim Walz, not Shirley.

    More than half way into the interview, the reporter is finally asked
    about the fraud. Remember, the fraud was ignored by state government;

    Looks like the mayor of Seattle is even more determined to let the
    Somalis get away with fraud in her city than the Minnesotans were. She
    outright stated in an interview that despite reputable media uncovering
    evidence of significant benefits fraud among the Somalis in Seattle,
    she has absolutely no interest in investigating it.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2009747275623403520/vid/avc1/1280x720/1vJsNYAxqkjT2n5o.mp4

    I'm not arguing that politicians ever learn. If suspicious activity is brought to the attention of government, then it really is about fraud.




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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jan 12 07:23:13 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    How to attract women in 2026:

    https://ibb.co/PzDd8p2h

    Hahahahahaha

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 16 01:11:14 2026
    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 19:27:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    The legacy corporate media on the Minnesota Somali fraud scandal:

    (1) Diversity is our strength!

    (2) Immigrants are the fabric of Minnesota.

    (3) Only $9 billion was stolen.

    (4) If you notice it, you're racist.

    (5) Somalis are the real victims here.

    On #3 - ONLY? Where do I go for my share of that? I could do with a
    couple million for my kids...

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Jan 16 01:25:45 2026
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 07:23:13 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    How to attract women in 2026:

    https://ibb.co/PzDd8p2h

    Hahahahahaha

    I dunno - those two don't look Somali to me...

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