• Re: Celebratng transgender achievement

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 18:27:23 2026
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    One of the more perplexing oddities about the coverage is the legacy
    media insisting that the shooter was a female because that's what the shooter "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving him the
    surname Van Rotselaar, which was his father's name but one the shooter absolutely refused to use for his entire life: he always used his
    MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were apparently profoundly
    estranged and had been for a very long time.) New media speculates that
    the use of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to keep people from looking up all the social media content he published as Jesse
    Strang.

    Here is one such video which appears to show a massively deranged individual:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1 minute]

    "There were no signs!"



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 14:05:44 2026
    On 2026-02-15 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    One of the more perplexing oddities about the coverage is the legacy
    media insisting that the shooter was a female because that's what the
    shooter "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving him the
    surname Van Rotselaar, which was his father's name but one the shooter
    absolutely refused to use for his entire life: he always used his
    MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were apparently profoundly
    estranged and had been for a very long time.) New media speculates that
    the use of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to keep people
    from looking up all the social media content he published as Jesse
    Strang.

    Here is one such video which appears to show a massively deranged
    individual:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1 minute]

    "There were no signs!"


    According to Jordan Peterson, a psychologist with many years of
    experience, the large majority of young people who think they might be
    trans eventually realize they are actually homosexuals and are
    relatively content. Pumping them full of powerful drugs to honour their delusion that they are the opposite sex would appear to be the exact
    opposite of helping them.

    The people who make our health policies need to decide if they actually
    want to help those with mental issues or if they merely want to pander
    to their delusions for ideological reasons. Have the mental health institutions been irrevocably captured by ideologues or can sane people
    be put back in charge? The same question applies to ALL of our
    institutions, especially academia from kindergarten through university
    and our media.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 19:28:21 2026
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 11:05:44 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-15 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    One of the more perplexing oddities about the coverage is the legacy
    media insisting that the shooter was a female because that's what the
    shooter "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving him the
    surname Van Rotselaar, which was his father's name but one the shooter
    absolutely refused to use for his entire life: he always used his
    MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were apparently profoundly
    estranged and had been for a very long time.) New media speculates that >>> the use of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to keep people >>> from looking up all the social media content he published as Jesse
    Strang.

    Here is one such video which appears to show a massively deranged
    individual:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1 minute]

    "There were no signs!"

    According to Jordan Peterson, a psychologist with many years of
    experience, the large majority of young people who think they might be
    trans eventually realize they are actually homosexuals and are
    relatively content. Pumping them full of powerful drugs to honour their delusion that they are the opposite sex would appear to be the exact opposite of helping them.

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school shootings for a long time. Not just the transformer killers, either.

    We didn't have school shootings when I was a kid, despite guns being just as accessible-- actually, *more* accessible-- to minors as they are today. Hell, where I lived in Texas, it was quite common for some of the rural kids to
    drive to school with a shotgun or rifle in a window rack in their pickup truck so they could go hunting after school let out. What changed between then and now?

    Drugs.

    When I was a kid, we weren't all hopped up on mood-altering drugs. At some point, all the adults, from the parents to the teachers to the school administrators to the psychologists, all decided that the best way to treat
    any behavioral problem in a child is to prescribe the kid a bunch of drugs
    that are specifically designed to change their brain chemistry. And now every three months or so we end up with a massacre. Coincidence? I think not.

    And it also explains why this seems to be a uniquely American/Canadian phenomenon. European countries, Latin American countries, Asian countries,
    none of them use drugs to treat even the most minor behavioral issues in their children with massive amounts of drugs. And they don't have school shootings, despite guns being widely accessible in some of those places.

    The people who make our health policies need to decide if they actually
    want to help those with mental issues or if they merely want to pander
    to their delusions for ideological reasons. Have the mental health institutions been irrevocably captured by ideologues or can sane people
    be put back in charge? The same question applies to ALL of our
    institutions, especially academia from kindergarten through university
    and our media.




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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 15:21:07 2026
    On 2026-02-15 2:28 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 11:05:44 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-15 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    One of the more perplexing oddities about the coverage is the legacy >>>> media insisting that the shooter was a female because that's what the >>>> shooter "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving him the >>>> surname Van Rotselaar, which was his father's name but one the shooter >>>> absolutely refused to use for his entire life: he always used his
    MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were apparently profoundly
    estranged and had been for a very long time.) New media speculates that >>>> the use of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to keep people >>>> from looking up all the social media content he published as Jesse
    Strang.

    Here is one such video which appears to show a massively deranged
    individual:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1 minute]

    "There were no signs!"

    According to Jordan Peterson, a psychologist with many years of
    experience, the large majority of young people who think they might be
    trans eventually realize they are actually homosexuals and are
    relatively content. Pumping them full of powerful drugs to honour their
    delusion that they are the opposite sex would appear to be the exact
    opposite of helping them.

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school shootings for a long time.
    Not just the transformer killers, either.

    We didn't have school shootings when I was a kid, despite guns being just as accessible-- actually, *more* accessible-- to minors as they are today. Hell, where I lived in Texas, it was quite common for some of the rural kids to drive to school with a shotgun or rifle in a window rack in their pickup truck
    so they could go hunting after school let out. What changed between then and now?

    Drugs.

    When I was a kid, we weren't all hopped up on mood-altering drugs. At some point, all the adults, from the parents to the teachers to the school administrators to the psychologists, all decided that the best way to treat any behavioral problem in a child is to prescribe the kid a bunch of drugs that are specifically designed to change their brain chemistry. And now every three months or so we end up with a massacre. Coincidence? I think not.

    And it also explains why this seems to be a uniquely American/Canadian phenomenon. European countries, Latin American countries, Asian countries, none of them use drugs to treat even the most minor behavioral issues in their
    children with massive amounts of drugs. And they don't have school shootings, despite guns being widely accessible in some of those places.

    I have not heard of a single "deep dive" into the lives of the various
    school shooters - trans or otherwise - to see just what their
    backgrounds were. When did they start deviating from the norm, whether
    in their sexuality, politics, or whatever? To what extent were the
    people around them aware that something was wrong? What was done about
    it? For those who were medicated, what medications did they get and what supervision did they get to make sure the medications were working and
    not making things worse?

    I truly don't know if those deep dives simply weren't undertaken at all
    or if they WERE taken and the findings just suppressed. I could well
    imagine the authorities deciding "the shooter is dead and is never going
    to hurt anyone again so why spend tax money investigating?". I can also imagine some dogged individual going ahead and doing the research anyway
    but then discovering that the government went a long way to enabling the shooter by ignoring dangerous behaviour or supplying dubious treatment -
    like "gender-affirming care" - and then having the findings suppressed
    by governments that fear getting sued for negligence or that fear
    alienating certain activist groups.

    Someday, I expect whistle-blowers to reveal just what happened behind
    the scenes. At that point, I fully expect to learn that indifference and ideology caused a lot of bad decisions.

    The people who make our health policies need to decide if they actually
    want to help those with mental issues or if they merely want to pander
    to their delusions for ideological reasons. Have the mental health
    institutions been irrevocably captured by ideologues or can sane people
    be put back in charge? The same question applies to ALL of our
    institutions, especially academia from kindergarten through university
    and our media.





    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 21:47:15 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school shootings for a long time. >Not just the transformer killers, either.

    You must not question psychiatry. It's an exact science!

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  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 18:18:59 2026
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 21:47:15 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school shootings for a long time.
    Not just the transformer killers, either.

    You must not question psychiatry. It's an exact science!

    Which is why it's part of the social sciences.

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  • From David Dalton@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 22:57:52 2026
    On Feb 14, 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote
    (in article <10mqo65$3g0nv$1@dont-email.me>):

    And yes, I'd sure as hell want to discuss gun safety and whether there
    should be weapons persons like the perpetrator may access. I'd say sue
    the mother but she's been punished enough.

    The shooter killed her mother.

    --
    https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
    ?I gave my love a golden feather; I gave my love a heart of stone; When you find a golden feather it means you?ll never lose your way back home?(RR)


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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 15 21:55:16 2026
    On 2026-02-15 3:21 p.m., Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-02-15 2:28 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 11:05:44 AM PST, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2026-02-15 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    ˙ On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    ˙ wrote:
    ˙ One of the more perplexing oddities about the coverage is the legacy >>>>> ˙ media insisting that the shooter was a female because that's what >>>>> the
    ˙ shooter "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving him the >>>>> ˙ surname Van Rotselaar, which was his father's name but one the
    shooter
    ˙ absolutely refused to use for his entire life: he always used his
    ˙ MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were apparently profoundly
    ˙ estranged and had been for a very long time.) New media
    speculates that
    ˙ the use of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to keep >>>>> people
    ˙ from looking up all the social media content he published as Jesse >>>>> ˙ Strang.

    ˙ Here is one such video which appears to show a massively deranged
    ˙ individual:

    ˙ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1 minute]
    ˙ "There were no signs!"
    According to Jordan Peterson, a psychologist with many years of
    experience, the large majority of young people who think they might be
    trans eventually realize they are actually homosexuals and are
    relatively content. Pumping them full of powerful drugs to honour their
    delusion that they are the opposite sex would appear to be the exact
    opposite of helping them.

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school shootings for a
    long time.
    Not just the transformer killers, either.

    We didn't have school shootings when I was a kid, despite guns being
    just as
    accessible-- actually, *more* accessible-- to minors as they are
    today. Hell,
    where I lived in Texas, it was quite common for some of the rural kids to
    drive to school with a shotgun or rifle in a window rack in their
    pickup truck
    so they could go hunting after school let out. What changed between
    then and
    now?

    Drugs.

    When I was a kid, we weren't all hopped up on mood-altering drugs. At
    some
    point, all the adults, from the parents to the teachers to the school
    administrators to the psychologists, all decided that the best way to
    treat
    any behavioral problem in a child is to prescribe the kid a bunch of
    drugs
    that are specifically designed to change their brain chemistry. And
    now every
    three months or so we end up with a massacre. Coincidence? I think not.

    And it also explains why this seems to be a uniquely American/Canadian
    phenomenon. European countries, Latin American countries, Asian
    countries,
    none of them use drugs to treat even the most minor behavioral issues
    in their
    children with massive amounts of drugs. And they don't have school
    shootings,
    despite guns being widely accessible in some of those places.

    I have not heard of a single "deep dive" into the lives of the various school shooters - trans or otherwise - to see just what their
    backgrounds were. When did they start deviating from the norm, whether
    in their sexuality, politics, or whatever? To what extent were the
    people around them aware that something was wrong? What was done about
    it? For those who were medicated, what medications did they get and what supervision did they get to make sure the medications were working and
    not making things worse?

    I truly don't know if those deep dives simply weren't undertaken at all
    or if they WERE taken and the findings just suppressed. I could well
    imagine the authorities deciding "the shooter is dead and is never going
    to hurt anyone again so why spend tax money investigating?". I can also imagine some dogged individual going ahead and doing the research anyway
    but then discovering that the government went a long way to enabling the shooter by ignoring dangerous behaviour or supplying dubious treatment -
    ˙like "gender-affirming care" - and then having the findings suppressed
    by governments that fear getting sued for negligence or that fear
    alienating certain activist groups.

    Someday, I expect whistle-blowers to reveal just what happened behind
    the scenes. At that point, I fully expect to learn that indifference and ideology caused a lot of bad decisions.

    The people who make our health policies need to decide if they actually
    want to help those with mental issues or if they merely want to pander
    to their delusions for ideological reasons. Have the mental health
    institutions been irrevocably captured by ideologues or can sane people
    be put back in charge? The same question applies to ALL of our
    institutions, especially academia from kindergarten through university
    and our media.


    Some of the staff at Rebel News have been digging through the Tumbler
    Ridge shooter's social media and it turns out he was doing a LOT of
    drugs, especially the non-prescription kind. He got so baked in one case
    that he started a serious fire in his own house; his only takeaway from
    that incident was to rethink his choice of drugs somewhat. This video
    gives the details:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b85C8-zpFA [7 minutes]

    It's not clear from this video how many prescription meds he was on.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 16 10:53:51 2026
    Rhino wrote:

    On 2026-02-15 2:28 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 11:05:44 AM PST, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-15 1:27 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 7:07:12 AM PST, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    One of the more perplexing oddities about the
    coverage is the legacy media insisting that the
    shooter was a female because that's what the shooter
    "identified" as but their equal insistence on giving
    him the surname Van Rotselaar, which was his
    father's name but one the shooter absolutely refused
    to use for his entire life: he always used his
    MOTHER'S surname, Strang. (The parents were
    apparently profoundly estranged and had been for a
    very long time.) New media speculates that the use
    of the father's last name was a ploy by the media to
    keep people from looking up all the social media
    content he published as Jesse Strang.

    Here is one such video which appears to show a
    massively deranged individual:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkO1ZHJnub4 [1
    minute]

    "There were no signs!"

    According to Jordan Peterson, a psychologist with many
    years of experience, the large majority of young people
    who think they might be trans eventually realize they
    are actually homosexuals and are relatively content.
    Pumping them full of powerful drugs to honour their
    delusion that they are the opposite sex would appear to
    be the exact opposite of helping them.

    Drugs have been my theory about the cause of school
    shootings for a long time. Not just the transformer
    killers, either.

    We didn't have school shootings when I was a kid, despite
    guns being just as accessible-- actually, *more*
    accessible-- to minors as they are today. Hell, where I
    lived in Texas, it was quite common for some of the rural
    kids to drive to school with a shotgun or rifle in a
    window rack in their pickup truck so they could go
    hunting after school let out. What changed between then
    and now?

    Drugs.

    When I was a kid, we weren't all hopped up on
    mood-altering drugs. At some point, all the adults, from
    the parents to the teachers to the school administrators
    to the psychologists, all decided that the best way to
    treat any behavioral problem in a child is to prescribe
    the kid a bunch of drugs that are specifically designed
    to change their brain chemistry. And now every three
    months or so we end up with a massacre. Coincidence? I
    think not.

    And it also explains why this seems to be a uniquely
    American/Canadian phenomenon. European countries, Latin
    American countries, Asian countries, none of them use
    drugs to treat even the most minor behavioral issues in
    their children with massive amounts of drugs. And they
    don't have school shootings, despite guns being widely
    accessible in some of those places.

    I have not heard of a single "deep dive" into the lives of
    the various school shooters - trans or otherwise - to see
    just what their backgrounds were. When did they start
    deviating from the norm, whether in their sexuality,
    politics, or whatever? To what extent were the people
    around them aware that something was wrong? What was done
    about it? For those who were medicated, what medications
    did they get and what supervision did they get to make
    sure the medications were working and not making things
    worse?

    I truly don't know if those deep dives simply weren't
    undertaken at all or if they WERE taken and the findings
    just suppressed. I could well imagine the authorities
    deciding "the shooter is dead and is never going to hurt
    anyone again so why spend tax money investigating?". I can
    also imagine some dogged individual going ahead and doing
    the research anyway but then discovering that the
    government went a long way to enabling the shooter by
    ignoring dangerous behaviour or supplying dubious
    treatment -
    like "gender-affirming care" - and then having the
    findings suppressed
    by governments that fear getting sued for negligence or
    that fear alienating certain activist groups.

    Someday, I expect whistle-blowers to reveal just what
    happened behind the scenes. At that point, I fully expect
    to learn that indifference and ideology caused a lot of
    bad decisions.

    The people who make our health policies need to decide
    if they actually want to help those with mental issues
    or if they merely want to pander to their delusions for
    ideological reasons. Have the mental health institutions
    been irrevocably captured by ideologues or can sane
    people be put back in charge? The same question applies
    to ALL of our institutions, especially academia from
    kindergarten through university and our media.


    Given the biases on most campuses and professional journals,
    I would guess that any such research was ignored/refuted/
    buried by the people in charge of the institutions and
    publications.

    Do you really think that "peer review" of such a research
    paper would allow it to see the light of day? Do you think
    a researcher is going to get a grant to fund such a study?

    I agree that the research could be useful for helping to
    see common warning signs in patients, but that wouldn't
    fit with the current agenda and would cause a whole generation
    of psychologists to have to re-ajust their perspective.

    Not anytime soon, in spite of what we continue to see happening
    on a regular basis.

    Nyssa, who wishes that someone would try anyway


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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to All on Tue Feb 17 04:30:43 2026
    In article <10mj21p$108d5$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:

    Police identified Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18 years old, as the prime
    suspect in the Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, mass murder. "Assigned
    male at birth," she began transitioning to female six years ago. She
    killed herself at the main crime scene.

    Six victims were found dead at the scene, a secondary school. Two
    relatives of the perpetrator were found dead at home. Dozens and dozens
    more were injured.

    I just love how they called him a "gunperson". [eyeroll]



    --
    Democrats and the liberal media hate President Trump more than they
    love this country.


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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to All on Wed Feb 18 21:21:45 2026
    dalton@nfld.com wrote:
    On Feb 11, 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote

    Police identified Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18 years old, as the prime
    suspect in the Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, mass murder. "Assigned
    male at birth," she began transitioning to female six years ago. She
    killed herself at the main crime scene.

    Six victims were found dead at the scene, a secondary school. Two
    relatives of the perpetrator were found dead at home. Dozens and dozens
    more were injured.

    https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/tumbler-ridge-canada-shooting-02-11-26

    Transgender and mentally ill people are more often
    victims than perpetrators of violence.



    TROLL-O-METER

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 13:43:54 2026
    On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 18:54:50 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-11 6:06 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Police identified Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18 years old, as the prime
    suspect in the Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, mass murder. "Assigned
    male at birth," she began transitioning to female six years ago. She
    killed herself at the main crime scene.

    Six victims were found dead at the scene, a secondary school. Two
    relatives of the perpetrator were found dead at home. Dozens and dozens
    more were injured.

    https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/tumbler-ridge-canada-shooting-02-11-26?post-id=cmliahywe00003b6rid2t1xdr

    The police and media have only just finally gotten around to admitting
    that the shooter was male after initial police reports said "Suspect >described as female in a dress with brown hair". But even now, they only >acknowledge that he was *born* male and explain that he's been
    "identifying" as a female for the past 6 years. Still, that's more than
    they admitted on the first day when they only enumerated the number of >victims and said they the shooter had committed suicide and there was
    not thought to be any further danger. They claimed it was far too early
    in the investigation to identify the shooter or victims or speculate on
    the motivation for the crimes.

    Today, they admitted his gender and also that the Mounties were very >familiar with the shooter because they'd been to the family home several >times to deal with violence from this guy. They also said he'd been
    housed in mental health facilities on multiple occasions.

    Also, the two dead people found in a nearby house were his mother and >sibling.

    The only bit of good news is that police responded to the shooting at
    the school in just two minutes. That's a remarkable contrast with a
    school stabbing in London UK yesterday in which a 13 year old stabbed
    two schoolmates and police took 30 minutes to respond! Two minute
    response time in a town on 2400 people, 30 minutes in one of the world's >bigger cities.

    I hope there's a proper inquiry into this mass shooting so that we can
    learn from it. Clearly, the earlier police interventions were not very >effective. Maybe if they hadn't indulged this guy in his fantasy he
    might have gotten better.... I expect we'll soon learn that he was
    pumped full of powerful drugs to humour his delusion about his gender.

    For sure - Tumbler Ridge is a central BC mining town of about
    population 2000-2500 so having that many people murdered is a REALLY
    big deal in a small town like that.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 13:45:56 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:09:19 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Still, that's more than
    they admitted on the first day when they only enumerated the number of >>victims and said they the shooter had committed suicide and there was
    not thought to be any further danger. They claimed it was far too early
    in the investigation to identify the shooter or victims or speculate on >>the motivation for the crimes.

    The article I just read did not make it clear if the perpetrator was
    being counted as among the six found dead at the main crime scene at the >school.

    No - presumably it should be obvious to all that the story was
    massively covered in the Vancouver Sun (the largest newspaper in
    British Columbia). Most of section A that day in fact.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 14:01:16 2026
    On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 19:44:17 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    You may have heard about a case up here several years back where a guy
    on a lengthy bus trip between provinces went bonkers and killed the guy >sitting beside him and then began EATING him. He was diagnosed as
    mentally deficient and deemed unfit for trial. He was sent to a mental >health facility and after a few years, the doctors, who'd diagnosed him
    as schizophrenic, released him essentially on the promise that he'd stay
    on his meds. As far as I know, he's been behaving himself since then but
    I keep waiting to hear that he's gone off the meds again and committed
    some horrific deed. I say that because I've seen a number of dramas
    where that is exactly what happens with some people that need strong
    drugs who feel that the drugs "dull" them: they stop taking them so they
    can feel right again. Then very bad things happen....

    There are LOTS of people who can function reasonably well outside an institution but can be walking time bombs when off them and when such
    an individual is outside the institution or prison there is no way to
    insure he or she is actually taking their meds. If such a person has a
    record of violence when off their meds they HAVE to be incarcerated or institutionalized for the public safety.

    Unfortunately too many legislators or jurists disagree with me which
    is why we regularly hear of horrific cases like these again and again
    and again. After all if a patient "misbehaves" there's no downside for
    a doctor who says there is no risk to the public safety.

    There was one BC case about 5-10 years ago where a man killed his two
    children and was apprehended trying to kill his wife who tried to
    protect her kids but when she saw they were dead successfully ran for
    her life and did get to safety.

    At his trial he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and
    committed. A decade of so he was released and made his way to the town
    (NOT the one the two of them had lived in at the time of the murders)
    and accosted her again but she did get away to safety.

    So the legal question is of course was he actually crazy or merely
    crazy as a fox? (The 3 psychiatrists that released him swore up and
    down he was sane and therefore eligible for release but the court did
    NOT review the original sentence or void the '...by reason of
    insanity" ruling)

    https://www.bcrb.ca/app/uploads/sites/693/2024/05/2024-04-16-Application-Ruling-Reasons-Schoenborn-Allan.pdf

    The fact that when I did my search for that link in Google just now I
    was able to spell his surname from memory and find this on the first
    try should say something to you all as to just how spectacular a case
    the trial that sent him to a mental institution rather than prison was
    in our parts. (The only thing I didn't remember was whether 1 L or 2
    in his first name)

    No question it was a heavily newsworthy story when he killed his kids.
    But the fact that he was sane enough after his release to figure out
    what her new address in her new town was should tell you something.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 14:04:16 2026
    On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 20:26:38 -0330, David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com>
    wrote:

    Transgender and mentally ill people are more often
    victims than perpetrators of violence.

    Also perhaps the shooter was bullied, which may have
    led to this tragic event.

    I'm sorry - I completely reject that - I was >constantly< bullied and mistreated by kids in my school way back when and I'm reasonably sure
    I didn't create a tragedy in my home town.

    (And my father DID hunt deer and moose and I knew where his rifles
    were in his closet)

    Guess I had an excuse I somehow failed to take advantage of eh?

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 14:12:38 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 16:53:00 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I saw an article from the Daily Mail reviewing social media criticism of
    how seemingly concerned the RCMP has been about the, er, gunperson's >pronouns, with little or no empathy for victims who were generally
    children. Even the murdered stepbrother, at the initial crime scene, was
    11 years old. I thought that the entire point of a homicide
    investigation is that police, forensic pathologists, and prosecutors are >there to speak for the dead as they are no longer able to speak for >themselves. In this case, the police are speaking for the murderer.

    Very well said!

    And I'd really like to know where the guns came from. Did the family
    just keep them at home despite knowing what "she" was like?

    And THAT is the $64000 question right?

    Second Amendment notwithstanding if you have a mentally unstable
    person living or visiting in your home YOU not the state are
    responsble for securing the weapons and if you can't do that within
    your home you have a civic duty to remove the weapons from your home.
    And I would impose a "strict responsibility" on that (which is a legal
    term meaning 'if you fail to do so and something goes wrong, you're
    responsible no ifs ands or buts")

    And I would argue there should definitely be legal sanctions if you
    the gun owner fail in that duty.

    Basic civics - and that SHOULDN'T be an issue of constitutional
    rights.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Feb 20 14:33:19 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:37:52 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-12 11:53 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-11 7:53 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 11, 2026 at 3:06:33 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>
    Police identified Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18 years old, as the prime >>>>>> suspect in the Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, mass murder. "Assigned >>>>>> male at birth," she began transitioning to female six years ago. She >>>>>> killed herself at the main crime scene.

    The media is describing the killer as "the gunperson" now, since they don't
    want to misgender the killer and be rude to him or anything.

    We're not allowed to say perpetrator if we are so terribly concerned
    about misuse of gendered words? How about killer?

    By watching some "new media" sources, I learned that the shooter may
    have been gunning for his other siblings at the school when he went on
    his rampage. Rebel News interviewed the father of one girl who was
    hiding in the same place as a sibling of the shooter. The shooter, who >different reports have said was 15, 17, or 18, had apparently attended
    that school in the past but had dropped out 3 or 4 years ago. I don't
    know how early kids can drop out of school in BC but, even assuming the >oldest claimed aged for the shooter, that would have him dropping out at
    14 or 15. That seems awfully young, especially in a province that often
    has NDP governments as BC has had for the last several years.

    Just now I Googled the phrase "how old does a child in BC have to be
    to drop out of school" and got the answer 16 years. Took all of 30
    seconds to get that.

    Seriously, I'm going to disagree with BTR1701 a little bit. I used the
    damn pronoun to emphasize that the "help" the perpetrator received
    consisted of male to female transistioning, entirely ignoring serious
    underlying issues.

    That definitely echoes the news coverage I've read and being in BC
    I've probably heard at least as much about this case in the news as
    anybody else here.

    I hadn't heard that but it would be utterly consistent with the
    attitudes of our elites. I remember a controversy about the treatment of >trans people in Parliament several years back with some Conservatives >arguing that it should be the right of parents to employ de-programmers
    (or whatever the current term is) to help their kids. Parliament
    resolutely insisted that the ONLY allowable treatment was
    "gender-affirming care".

    Is there a legal definition on that term? My understanding is that it
    means surgery or accomplishing the same thing using drugs.

    My personal view is that if you have the same "bits" you were born
    with you HAVEN'T transitioned. If by that definition somebody has I'll
    treat them exactly as they wish. If they still have their original
    "bits" then I do not and defy anybody to quarrel with me legally or
    otherwise.

    If I suddenly decide to change my name to Laura I _shouldn't_ have the
    right to be treated as such and as someone who formerly served on a
    board that funded a womens' safe house being male I was NOT privy to
    the address of the house (though I knew the neighborhood reasonably
    well and have probably driven past it several times. My involvement
    was as vice chair of a local funding agency and they were one of our
    clients) and was and am perfectly fine by that. I definitely don't
    want to put anybody at risk by saying something indiscreet)

    While pre-crime ain't predictable, it damn well
    appears that these issues were both well known and left unaddressed, and
    that the transitioning combined with failure to address underlying
    issues made everything worse. This was someone with known violent
    tendancies.

    Tumbler Ridge is about 90-120 km from the nearest town in NE British
    Columbia.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tumbler+Ridge,+BC+V0C+2W0/@54.3024617,-121.6853476,7z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x538e2d7152af60bf:0x26c14b40983a822a!8m2!3d55.1259146!4d-120.9928901!16zL20vMDcwd2tj?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    It is a mining town with no other towns reasonably close and is
    actually closer to Edmonton, AB than Vancouver, BC. I have no idea how
    big a local police detachment they have but other than a small local
    detachment would expect the nearest police reinforcements would be 3-4
    hours away. Given the size of a typical small town RCMP detachment I
    would NOT expect them to be big enough to do a full scale murder
    investigation.

    As you can see from the map it's a L-O-N-G way from anywhere north of
    20000 people

    And I'd really like to know where the guns came from. Did the family
    just keep them at home despite knowing what "she" was like?

    Also, the family was not intact. Apparently, the father has been out of
    the picture for a while and lives somewhere in BC. The mother and her >various kids have moved around a fair bit, including to Newfoundland,
    but returned to BC because the father petitioned for that since he
    wanted his kids to be closer to him (geographically). It's unclear if
    the father of the other kids was in the picture anywhere let alone
    living in the house so we have no idea if the guns were his.

    BC is 900 km from N to S, about 500 km from the Pacific coast to the
    Rockies and 2 1/2 times the size of Montana with 90+% of the
    population being in the Vancouver / Victoria corridor. It's about the
    size of CA, NV, OR put together.

    The shooter had a firearms permit allowing him to use guns but that had >expired in 2024. The shooter apparently also posted YouTube videos about >guns which have been taken down: guns were apparently one of his passions.

    I fully expect this to drive a renewed frenzy to take away the remaining >guns that people are still allowed to have. The Liberal base just LOVES
    it when their party virtue-signals about taking guns away. They recently >decided to do a national rollout a gun "buyback" scheme that had been
    tried in one area of Eastern Canada despite a dismal result with only a >handful of guns turned in. Not even the police want anything to do with
    this scheme so, of course, it needs to be made a national priority. Now
    that this shooting has occurred, I expect the Liberals to push the
    "buyback" even harder with the CBC (and other MSM) all clapping vigorously.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 23 16:35:57 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 15:52:41 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-12 3:32 p.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10ml0hc$1jkpn$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes: >> [snip]

    And I'd really like to know where the guns came from.

    Time to set up a Kalshi prediction: The US?


    That's the standard answer if you ask Canadian police and politicians: >smugglers are bringing them in from the US where guns are widely owned. >(They used to claim that the guns are being stolen from legitimate >gun-owners on this side of the border but I don't hear that claim any
    more.)

    One thing that is DEFINITELY true is that 95+% of the North American
    fentanyl trade comes from Mexico and is made from precursor chemicals
    made by gangsters in Communist China - some of whom are said to be
    working under Beijing's direct control. Some precursor chemicals are
    shipped from Mexico to the US (some of which THEN gets re-exported
    illegally to Canada where some of the processed fentanyl gets sold
    domestically some shipped to the US - which is what Trump is railing
    about.) Most of this trade in the US and Canada involves outlaw
    motorcycle gangs.

    But there are virtually NO fentanyl or fentanyl precursor chemicals
    (e.g. chemicals processed and converted to fentanyl) that enter Canada
    by any route other than the United States. And when Trump says
    otherwise he is heavily mistaken.

    In other words, to use this as an excuse for punitive tariffs is
    hypocritical in the extreme.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 23 16:42:41 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 17:18:02 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Officers have been accused of giving information to organized crime to
    both enrich themselves and to help organized crime, such as the crooked
    tow truck industry. They're even accused of helping criminals murder
    their enemies. It's so bad that Doug Ford has created (or energized) a >province-wide investigator whose team is going to look at ALL of the
    police services in the province to - supposedly - root out corruption. I >haven't heard a timeline yet but I have to expect that such a mission
    will take *years* to conduct.

    For those unfamiliar Doug Ford is Premier of Ontario which has about
    38-39% of the Canadian population. No state governor in the US is as
    important to Washington as the Ontario provincial government is to
    Ottawa. Most policing in Ontario is done by the Ontario Provincial
    Police though there are important local forces in major cities.

    In Canada Ontario and Quebec have their own province police services
    while the RCMP provides police services in much of the rest of the
    country minus local police forces in major cities. Thus in BC Surrey
    and the city of Vancouver (the 2 biggest components of Metro
    Vancouver) have their own police while almost all of the rest are RCMP detachments.

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 23 16:45:54 2026
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 20:39:03 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-12 6:25 p.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10mljiq$1m2m0$3@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I don't know if it's made the news in your country yet but the GTA
    (Greater Toronto Area) and specifically the Toronto Police Service are
    under very close scrutiny by the provincial government as of the last
    few days in the wake of a massive scandal involving corrupt police
    officers and organized crime working hand-in-glove. Seven serving
    officers and one police retiree have already been charged and there is a >>> strong likelihood that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Everyone
    expects those 8 officers to rat out others as they try to make deals to
    mitigate their own exposure.
    You don't need the "sic", Canadian Tire is the name by which everyone
    knows them. (I expect their official name is Canadian Tire Corporation
    or something like that but we all know exactly who you mean when you say >"Canadian Tire".

    My real question, of course, is what happened to make this common
    practice suddenly become embarassingly news worthy? Did they arrest
    Ford's sister in law or make some other mistake?


    I'm a little embarrassed to say I don't really know quite how this
    bubbled up into a major scandal. This week-old article may give you what
    you want, at least in broad outlines.

    Speaking of Doug Ford, his son-in-law is a long-serving police officer
    and he's undergoing disciplinary proceedings at the moment (and for the
    past two years) but this doesn't seem to be connected to the corruption >scandal.

    A quick Google search says:
    "The full legal name of Canadian Tire is Canadian Tire Corporation,
    Limited" and that the company was founded in 1921 so it's over 100
    years old.

    I doubt there are many Canadians unaware of the company...

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 23 16:50:03 2026
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 00:07:30 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It may well have been at some point. I think we were originally more
    British in our terminology than we are now. For instance, I was looking
    at an article on the Toronto Police before we got independence in 1867
    and they were getting paid in shillings, not dollars. And I still
    remember when we used miles and gallons instead of meters and liters; we >only started going metric in 1979 and some of us still think and speak
    of imperial units rather than metric ones.

    Part of that was probably due to the federal government pushing hard
    on the metric system but a large part of the conversion happened
    around the time the price of gas first went over Cdn $1.00 per gallon
    as converting gas pumps from cents per gallon to cents per liter was a
    lot cheaper than converting from cents per gallon to dollars per
    gallon. (Of course it's now over a dollar per liter so they had to
    eventually convert their pumps and I'm sure the customers paid for
    that too somewhere along the way...)

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Mon Feb 23 16:55:14 2026
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 00:07:30 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    The founders of Canadian Tire were the Billies Brothers and the company
    was founded just after WWI. I wouldn't be shocked if they initially
    called it Canadian Tyre. Did you know that most of the Canadians who
    fought in WWI had actually been born in the UK?

    Wouldn't surprise me - my great-grandfather brought his wife and seven
    children (of which my grandfather was the youngest) to Canada in 1912
    then in 1914 went BACK to Britain to take up his Royal Navy reservist commission, commanded a mine sweeper in the Channel and North Sea, was decorated, promoted then at war's end returned to Canada and carried
    on until 1936 when he went back to his home town for the 1937 for the coronation of King Edward VIII (which never happened since he
    abdicated first) and caught pneumonia during a parade in nasty weather
    and died and was buried there.

    We visited his grave when we were in Britain in 2016. (Been there done
    that got the photos). He's a personal hero of mine and my son is named
    for him.

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  • From danny burstein@3:633/10 to All on Tue Feb 24 01:02:25 2026
    In <0lsppkts6akj942h9e42nk9tfo9gqdmhgq@4ax.com> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:

    [snip]

    In Canada Ontario and Quebec have their own province police services
    while the RCMP provides police services in much of the rest of the
    country minus local police forces in major cities. Thus in BC Surrey
    and the city of Vancouver (the 2 biggest components of Metro
    Vancouver) have their own police while almost all of the rest are RCMP >detachments.

    obRAT: since we're talking about Vancouver, how could we
    not mention:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci%27s_Inquest

    and

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Vinci%27s_City_Hall


    .
    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Wed Mar 4 03:01:26 2026
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 18:54:42 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    There are trans people, as I claim on my Eight Sexual Harmonics
    matchmaking theory page

    Yes, there are also people who put up websites saying the earth is flat.

    Good example, inasmuch as the earth *isn't* (perfectly) round...

    I've heard flat earthers insist the world IS round but flat and that's
    not unnatural - after all so is a pizza....not sure how serious or
    otherwise they were though my suspicion is that most of them know but
    keep up the front.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Wed Mar 4 08:45:02 2026
    On 2026-02-23 7:50 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 00:07:30 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It may well have been at some point. I think we were originally more
    British in our terminology than we are now. For instance, I was looking
    at an article on the Toronto Police before we got independence in 1867
    and they were getting paid in shillings, not dollars. And I still
    remember when we used miles and gallons instead of meters and liters; we
    only started going metric in 1979 and some of us still think and speak
    of imperial units rather than metric ones.

    Part of that was probably due to the federal government pushing hard
    on the metric system but a large part of the conversion happened
    around the time the price of gas first went over Cdn $1.00 per gallon
    as converting gas pumps from cents per gallon to cents per liter was a
    lot cheaper than converting from cents per gallon to dollars per
    gallon. (Of course it's now over a dollar per liter so they had to
    eventually convert their pumps and I'm sure the customers paid for
    that too somewhere along the way...)

    I bought my first car just as we changed to pumping liters instead of
    gallons. This was the first week of May 1979. Gas prices had been
    hovering at 99.9 cents per gallon for a while and the signs only had
    capacity for two digits in front of the decimal point so I was wondering
    how they were going to handle the next increase in gas prices. The
    change to liters solved that problem INSTANTLY and for many years:
    suddenly, the price went to 19.9 cents per liter. By the time prices
    went over 99.9 cents per liter, all the gas stations had signs that
    could handle the extra digit. (They weren't all digital displays but
    some were.)

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Wed Mar 4 08:51:01 2026
    On 2026-02-23 7:42 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 17:18:02 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Officers have been accused of giving information to organized crime to
    both enrich themselves and to help organized crime, such as the crooked
    tow truck industry. They're even accused of helping criminals murder
    their enemies. It's so bad that Doug Ford has created (or energized) a
    province-wide investigator whose team is going to look at ALL of the
    police services in the province to - supposedly - root out corruption. I
    haven't heard a timeline yet but I have to expect that such a mission
    will take *years* to conduct.

    For those unfamiliar Doug Ford is Premier of Ontario which has about
    38-39% of the Canadian population. No state governor in the US is as important to Washington as the Ontario provincial government is to
    Ottawa. Most policing in Ontario is done by the Ontario Provincial
    Police though there are important local forces in major cities.

    In Canada Ontario and Quebec have their own province police services
    while the RCMP provides police services in much of the rest of the
    country minus local police forces in major cities. Thus in BC Surrey
    and the city of Vancouver (the 2 biggest components of Metro
    Vancouver) have their own police while almost all of the rest are RCMP detachments.

    Small correction. One other province has policing that ISN'T by the
    RCMP: Newfoundland, which has the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary as its
    main policing organization. I once said what you said in front of a
    retired OPP officer and he corrected me :-)

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Wed Mar 4 08:55:24 2026
    On 2026-02-20 5:12 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 16:53:00 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I saw an article from the Daily Mail reviewing social media criticism of
    how seemingly concerned the RCMP has been about the, er, gunperson's
    pronouns, with little or no empathy for victims who were generally
    children. Even the murdered stepbrother, at the initial crime scene, was
    11 years old. I thought that the entire point of a homicide
    investigation is that police, forensic pathologists, and prosecutors are
    there to speak for the dead as they are no longer able to speak for
    themselves. In this case, the police are speaking for the murderer.

    Very well said!

    And I'd really like to know where the guns came from. Did the family
    just keep them at home despite knowing what "she" was like?

    And THAT is the $64000 question right?

    Second Amendment notwithstanding if you have a mentally unstable
    person living or visiting in your home YOU not the state are
    responsble for securing the weapons and if you can't do that within
    your home you have a civic duty to remove the weapons from your home.
    And I would impose a "strict responsibility" on that (which is a legal
    term meaning 'if you fail to do so and something goes wrong, you're responsible no ifs ands or buts")

    And I would argue there should definitely be legal sanctions if you
    the gun owner fail in that duty.

    Basic civics - and that SHOULDN'T be an issue of constitutional
    rights.

    I'd say the shooter definitely enforced the strict responsibility - by inflicting capital punishment on the gun owner - who was his mother.

    (I'm assuming she was the owner but if you know different, please
    correct me!)

    --
    Rhino

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Wed Mar 4 10:20:45 2026
    Verily, in article <o54gqk94dnmd69fmtqj79nbcqiaoilg9qe@4ax.com>, did lcraver@home.ca deliver unto us this message:
    I've heard flat earthers insist the world IS round but flat and that's
    not unnatural - after all so is a pizza....not sure how serious or
    otherwise they were though my suspicion is that most of them know but
    keep up the front.


    I recently encountered a theory that nobody today could *really* believe
    the Earth is flat, and so people who profess that belief are really
    trying to impose their will on reality itself.

    I like that theory. It's like narrativization run amok.

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    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

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