• Canadia is Poorer Than Alabama?

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 20:16:39 2026
    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

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    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country
    is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 15:43:00 2026
    On 2026-02-21 3:16 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

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    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg


    It won't let me read the article because I don't have a subscription.
    Can you possibly post the whole article? Then I could give my two cents
    worth on what they're saying.

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 20:56:28 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

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    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country >is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg

    I'll see if my library offers access to the article, but clue me in:
    What's the difference between the 1911 spike and the post 2001 rise? How
    is it they no longer contribute to the economy?

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 21:08:35 2026
    On Feb 21, 2026 at 12:16:39 PM PST, "BTR1701" <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

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    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg

    I can only access the first two pages, but here they are:

    In December, Tommy Battle's dream came true. The five-term Mayor of Huntsville is Alabama to the bone, born in Birmingham and a graduate of the state university in Tuscaloosa, but for the past 18 years he's tried to distance his city from the state's unsavoury stereotypes.

    Huntsville, in the north, is the home of the Saturn rocket program that took
    on the Soviet Union's Sputnik. It houses the second-largest biotech research park in the United States and it has attracted high-end manufacturing investments such as Blue Origin's rocket engine plant.

    But Alabama tropes are hard to shake: The state is backward and full of Bible thumpers and bigots ? allegedly. When local companies try to hire from afar, Mayor Battle says recruits often hear the same responses when telling their spouses: "'Huntsville?' With one question mark. Then they say, 'Alabama???' With three question marks."

    Translation: You've got to be kidding me.

    But in December, Huntsville had the last laugh. Eli Lilly and Co. was looking to build a US $6-billion manufacturing plant that would create 3,000 construction jobs and employ 450 engineers, scientists, lab technicians and operations staff. After narrowing down the field of 300 bidders, the pharmaceutical giant named Huntsville a winner, one of four new facilities in the U.S. It's the state's largest-ever private industrial investment, and it personifies the tagline the Mayor has preached: "Huntsville: a smart place."

    For eons, Canadians have viewed Alabama as a small state that, save for a few pockets, is dirt poor. All anybody seems to know about Alabama is that Montgomery and Birmingham were the centre of the civil rights movement. In 1963, when Martin Luther King Jr. wrote his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail",
    he called Birmingham "probably the most thoroughly segregated city in the United States."

    So, it was a shock when Canadian economist Trevor Tombe and the International Monetary Fund ran the numbers in 2023 and 2024 and concluded that Canada had, in fact, become poorer than Alabama.

    To measure this, they calculated gross domestic product (GDP) per capita. In simple terms, it's the size of the Canadian economy in a given year divided by the population. The same was done for Alabama. After adjusting for foreign exchange and some cost differences in both countries, the average for Canada's 10 provinces was estimated at US$55,000 in 2022, the same as Alabama. Shortly after, the IMF found Canada had actually fallen behind the southern state. (Canada has since edged ever-so-slightly higher than Alabama; the numbers are volatile from year to year.)

    The timing was terrible for the Canadian psyche. Home prices were on an astronomical trajectory, inflation made everyday items such as groceries far more expensive and there was deep resentment toward Ottawa. Canadians could probably stomach having their living standards slip relative to the broader U.S., the epicentre of the world's tech revolution. But Alabama?

    For an ego check, The Globe and Mail travelled to the Deep South to understand how this happened. Immediately, it was obvious Alabama is misunderstood: as it was obvious Alabamans drive pickup trucks, and in Huntsville, there are as
    many Subaru Outbacks as there are pickup trucks, and the geography in
    Alabama's two largest metropolitan areas ? Birmingham and Huntsville ? looks nothing like the historical imagery.



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  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 17:23:46 2026
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 20:16:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country >is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg


    They annoyed me enough with not giving me enough of a sense of what
    was in the article that I got around their protections. First by
    finding the following article from the same site that covers the high
    level discussion and then the detailed article listed at the bottom.


    The upshot of both articles is that Alabama is competing for jobs on
    an international basis and winning, at least in some circumstances.
    Due both to a push by the government to attract new businesses and a
    lower cost labor force. None of which is new or should be to anyone.
    It's one of the reasons ICEs interaction with the Koreans brought over
    to help with the Hyundai(I think that was the company) plant in
    Georgia made the news. It's been going on for some years now with a
    number of car manufacturers building plants in Alabama, Georgia and
    South Carolina. No surprise something similar might happen with drug manufacturers like Eli Lily, the main company mentioned in the story
    below.

    I copied both articles for you below so you can read them here or on
    the web sites. The web sites would also include charts with additional
    data not included here.

    Enjoy!

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-business-brief-how-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama/

    Good morning. Today, we?re eating humble pie for breakfast because,
    somehow, Canada flipped from being a rich G7 country to poorer than
    Alabama ? at least by one important metric. How?s that possible?



    Annie Buckland works inside CoLab at the Hudson Alpha Research Park in Huntsville Alabama on February 6th, 2026.Charity Rachelle/Supplied
    In focus
    An overdue wake-up call

    Hi, I?m Tim Kiladze, a financial reporter and columnist, and for the
    past few years, I?ve been dying to know: Is Canada seriously poorer
    than Alabama? In today?s edition, we?ve got answers, both from talking
    to economic experts and from travelling to the Deep South for an
    on-the-ground investigation.

    The data point that spurred this panic started flying around economic
    circles in 2023, largely thanks to some number crunching by economist
    Trevor Tombe, who measured per capita GDP for every Canadian province
    and every U.S. state. It took on a life of its own in 2024 when even
    The Economist wrote about it, all at a time when Canadians had severe
    economic angst and were furious with Ottawa for runaway home prices
    and soaring grocery costs.

    It would have been understandable if Canada?s economy had fallen
    farther behind the broader United States, which has been at the
    forefront of the technological revolution. But Alabama?

    The issue ultimately died down because Donald Trump was re-elected and
    he distracted everyone with his trade war. Then there was a federal
    election in Canada. But it was still important to know: Is it real?
    Because if so, it has major implications for Canada?s standing on the
    global stage.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Greenhouse assistant Lauren Holder inspects Miscanthus grass inside
    the Kathy L Chan Green House at Hudson Alpha Research Part in Huntsville.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    To get to the bottom of it, two issues had to be studied. First, what
    did per capita GDP, the measure used to judge our economic standing,
    really account for? And two, it was time to see what Alabama was up
    to.

    Asking around about per capita GDP, it was quickly clear that its
    usefulness is hotly contested. No single data point can measure a
    country?s wellbeing. It can be a good starting point, but it?s not the
    be-all and end-all. And it doesn?t capture what the average person
    receives from a country?s production.

    But that can?t be the end of the story, because when it comes to
    Alabama, many Canadians would be floored by what?s happening there.

    Huntsville, in the north, is a biotech and aerospace hub, and driving
    around, you see just as many Subarus as you do pickup trucks. The
    state has transformed into an auto-manufacturing powerhouse, now
    producing nearly as many cars as Ontario. Alabama is also bigger than
    you might think, home to five million people, about the same
    population as Alberta, and its unemployment rate is now less than half
    of Canada?s.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Robert Sbrissa outisde his home in Hoover Alabama on Feb. 5,
    2026.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    In Birmingham, I met Robert Sbrissa, who has seen the economic boom up
    close. He and his family moved to the region from Montreal in 1996.
    Initially, they assumed they?d do a two-year bid; in August, it?ll be
    30 years in Alabama. ?The entrepreneurial spirit was like nothing I
    had seen or experienced before,? he told me.

    The state has its flaws, no doubt. For all the newfound wealth, it?s
    still one of the poorest in the U.S. Its health care is also, on
    average, among the worst in the U.S. But simply scoffing at those
    stats will do Canadians no good, because places like Alabama are
    competing for the same global capital now ? and quite often, they?re
    winning it. In December, Huntsville won the beauty contest for a
    US$6-billion Eli Lilly plant. It?s the kind of thing that could have
    just as easily gone to Montreal, a pharmaceutical hub.

    If Canada isn?t careful, places such as the Deep South will continue
    to steal jobs ? and teach us lessons the hard way.



    https://web.archive.org/web/20260221053839/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    This is the original article that goes into much more detail.




    For an overdue wake-up call, The Globe travelled to the Deep South to understand how the state is breaking stereotypes and, at times,
    looking richer than Canada
    Tim Kiladze
    Huntsville, alabama
    The Globe and Mail
    Published Yesterday
    Tommy Battle, the five-term Mayor of Huntsville, Ala., at his office
    in city hall.
    Tommy Battle, the five-term Mayor of Huntsville, Ala., at his office
    in city hall.
    Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail
    Comments

    In December, Tommy Battle?s dream came true. The five-term Mayor of
    Huntsville is Alabama to the bone, born in Birmingham and a graduate
    of the state university in Tuscaloosa, but for the past 18 years he?s
    tried to distance his city from the state?s unsavoury stereotypes.

    Huntsville, in the north, is the home of the Saturn rocket program
    that took on the Soviet Union?s Sputnik. It houses the second-largest
    biotech research park in the United States. And it has attracted
    high-end manufacturing investments such as Blue Origin?s rocket engine
    plant.

    But Alabama tropes are hard to shake: The state is backward and full
    of bible thumpers and bigots ? allegedly. When local companies try to
    hire from afar, Mayor Battle says recruits often hear the same
    responses when telling their spouses: ??Huntsville?? With one question
    mark. Then they say, ?Alabama???? With three question marks.?

    Translation: You?ve got to be kidding me.

    But in December, Huntsville had the last laugh. Eli Lilly and Co. was
    looking to build a US$6-billion manufacturing plant that would create
    3,000 construction jobs and employ 450 engineers, scientists, lab
    technicians and operations staff. After narrowing down the field of
    300 bidders, the pharmaceutical giant named Huntsville a winner, one
    of four new facilities in the U.S. It?s the state?s largest-ever
    private industrial investment, and it personifies the tagline the
    Mayor has preached: ?Huntsville: a smart place.?

    For eons, Canadians have viewed Alabama as a small state that, save
    for a few pockets, is dirt poor. All anybody seems to know about
    Alabama is that Montgomery and Birmingham were the centre of the civil
    rights movement. In 1963, when Martin Luther King Jr. wrote his
    ?Letter from a Birmingham Jail,? he called Birmingham ?probably the
    most thoroughly segregated city in the United States.?

    So, it was a shock when Canadian economist Trevor Tombe and the
    International Monetary Fund ran the numbers in 2023 and 2024 and
    concluded that Canada had, in fact, become poorer than Alabama.

    To measure this, they calculated gross domestic product (GDP) per
    capita. In simple terms, it?s the size of the Canadian economy in a
    given year divided by the population. The same was done for Alabama.
    After adjusting for foreign exchange and some cost differences in both countries, the average for Canada?s 10 provinces was estimated at
    US$55,000 in 2022, the same as Alabama. Shortly after, the IMF found
    Canada had actually fallen behind the southern state. (Canada has
    since edged ever-so-slightly higher than Alabama; the numbers are
    volatile from year to year.)

    The timing was terrible for the Canadian psyche. Home prices were on
    an astronomical trajectory, inflation made everyday items such as
    groceries far more expensive and there was deep resentment toward
    Ottawa. Canadians could probably stomach having their living standards
    slip relative to the broader U.S., the epicentre of the world?s tech revolution. But Alabama?

    For an ego check, The Globe and Mail travelled to the Deep South to
    understand how this happened. Immediately, it was obvious Alabama is misunderstood. In Huntsville, there are as many Subaru Outbacks as
    there are pickup trucks, and the geography in Alabama?s two largest metropolitan areas ? Birmingham and Huntsville ? looks nothing like
    the historical imagery.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Mr. Battle has spent his tenure trying to distance his city from the
    state?s unsavoury stereotypes and instead highlight its growth in
    recent decades.Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    ?Most people think of Alabama as flat pasture land with cotton
    fields,? says Daniel Hughes, a real estate executive who took his Montgomery-based company, BSR Real Estate Investment Trust, public on
    the Toronto Stock Exchange. Huntsville and Birmingham, though, are
    nestled in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. Looking out
    from Mayor Battle?s seventh-floor office in city hall, the landscape
    could easily be Vermont.

    Alabama is also home to five million people ? the same population as
    Alberta ? and its economy is booming. The state?s unemployment rate is
    now just 2.7 per cent, versus 6.5 per cent in Canada, and its major
    employers include Airbus SE and giant defence contractor Northrop
    Grumman Corp. The state has also morphed into an auto manufacturing
    powerhouse with plants from Mercedes-Benz AG, Toyota Motor Corp.,
    Hyundai Motor Co. and more. In 2024, Alabama made nearly as many
    vehicles as Ontario.

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    Of course, there is much more to an economy ? and to quality of life ?
    than industrial prowess. Alabama still has some serious flaws. For
    people living in poverty, there is almost no floor, and access to
    quality education remains a pipe dream for many.

    There are also limits to how much can actually be gleaned from per
    capita GDP. It is not the Holy Grail. To start, one key variable is
    population, and Canada?s has exploded over the past four years. That
    alone skews the numbers.

    But being on the ground in Alabama, it was obvious that Canadians need
    a wake-up call. They tend to view the economy through a historical
    lens ? this is a G7 country that has long punched above its weight.
    Yet capital is global now and competition for it is fierce. If Canada
    isn?t careful, places such as the Deep South will continue to steal
    jobs. The Eli Lilly plant awarded in December could have just as
    easily gone to Montreal, a pharmaceutical hub.

    In other words, it might be time to eat some humble pie. ?People have
    a lot to learn from Alabama,? Mr. Hughes says.
    How Alabama transformed

    Researchers Haley Hale and Annie Buckland conduct lab work at the
    HudsonAlpha Institute for biotechnology in Huntsville. Charity
    Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    Alabama?s sea change started in 1993. Historically, the state had an agricultural economy fuelled by slavery in the Black Belt, a stretch
    of rich, dark soil that was ideal for growing cotton. Over time,
    Alabama diversified with forestry products, textile and apparel
    manufacturing, and steel ? Birmingham had iron ore, coal and
    limestone, which are perfect ingredients. But eventually the
    mechanization of farming, foreign competition for steelmakers and a
    rising U.S. dollar became troublesome.

    By the early 1980s, Alabama had the second-highest unemployment rate
    in the country. At a 1985 seminar in Birmingham, Sheila Tschinkel, the
    director of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, a central
    bank regional office, laid it all out. Companies, she said, were
    scared away by ?the relatively low educational level of Alabama?s work
    force and its lack of flexibility, the state?s remoteness from
    national markets and deficiencies in infrastructure that make
    outsiders reluctant to move to many sections of the state.? It was a
    trifecta of doom.

    Mercedes-Benz was the saviour. In the early 1990s, the automaker was
    struggling with high costs at its German plants and competition from
    Japanese luxury brands such as Lexus, so it decided to launch a luxury
    SUV plant in the U.S. The automaker made states bid against each
    other, and Alabama, North Carolina and South Carolina all ponied up
    big tax incentives. The cherry on top: All three are right-to-work
    states, which means unions can?t charge individuals mandatory dues.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Workers install a sign near near Tuscaloosa, Ala., announcing a future
    North American Mercedes-Benz plant, in September, 1993. The German
    auto maker?s investment in the state kickstarted a wave of companies
    looking to build their production facilities in Alabama.John C.
    Hillery/REUTERS

    In the end, Vance, a city just outside Birmingham, won the beauty
    contest. Sometimes it?s the little things that matter. Reports at the
    time said Alabama simply showed more zeal ? plus the Germans liked the
    woods and rolling hills around Birmingham, which reminded them of the countryside around Stuttgart.

    That single investment turned into the tip of a very long spear. A few
    years later, Honda Motor Co. Ltd. opened a plant in Lincoln, then
    Hyundai built its own near Montgomery. Mazda Motor Corp. and Toyota
    are now also in Huntsville, where they share a manufacturing facility.
    Auto suppliers have piled in, too. Michigan remains the top auto
    producer in Canada and the U.S., with two million vehicles
    manufactured in 2024, but Alabama is now in the top five, producing
    1.2 million vehicles annually, close to the 1.3 million that Ontario
    churns out.

    The irony of all this is that Alabama?s success was almost too good.
    The incentives started to strain the state?s finances.

    Whenever a new opportunity emerged, Alabama would layer discounts on
    property and sales taxes as well as large capital investment tax
    credits on top of a competitive corporate tax rate. The state also
    wasn?t shy to add in some cash grants. In other words, Alabama would
    throw the kitchen sink at new investments, and companies could use the
    benefits up front, before any revenue was generated.
    Huntsville Mayor Tommy Battle, Alabama Secretary of Commerce Greg
    Canfield and Alabama Governor Kay Ivey hold a press conference with
    executives from Toyota and Mazda to announce plans to build a
    joint-venture plant in Huntsville, in January, 2018. Albert Cesare/The Montgomery Advertiser via AP
    An employee works on the Toyota engine assembly line in Huntsville,
    where Mazda and Toyota share a manufacturing facility. Carlos
    Barria/Reuters

    Because of this structure, Alabama often had to borrow money to fund
    the program. ?We weren?t being great stewards to the taxpayers,? says
    Greg Canfield, the state?s former commerce secretary, who was tasked
    with fixing the problem. He has since developed something of a cult
    following in the state for revamping it while also keeping the
    investment dollars coming.

    To fix the program, Mr. Canfield simplified it all, offering smaller
    tax credits for capital investments and adding in some time limits.
    Crucially, the incentives could only be accessed once companies built
    their facilities and hired employees, and there were clawbacks if
    companies didn?t keep their promises.

    It was a risk, but Alabama didn?t feel as desperate anymore. ?We felt
    like we could win most of the time based on having available sites,
    available work force, good business climate, low taxes and speed to
    market,? Mr. Canfield explains from the office of Burr & Forman LLP in Birmingham, where he is now a managing director of economic
    development. The last point was key. When companies invested in
    Alabama, they could receive permits and begin construction quickly.
    Red tape was for suckers.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    A prototype of a Mercedes-Benz Electric SUV is displayed at the
    automaker?s battery pack plant in Bibb County, Ala., in March,
    2022.Reuters

    Another signature achievement of his: putting together a marketing
    campaign for the state. ?Whenever I had travelled around the world,
    nobody knew where Alabama was,? he says. ?If they?d heard of it, it
    wasn?t a positive image.? He hired a branding agency and launched a
    campaign called ?Made in Alabama.? Reminiscing, he pulls up the old
    slide deck on his iPad, grinning like a proud father.

    At the local level, Huntsville deployed a similar approach. When Mayor
    Battle won his first election, in 2008, ?we had great entry-level
    jobs. Hospitality, landscaping, etc.,? he says. ?And we had great jobs
    on the top end, which was, you know, your rocket scientist, your
    technical person, your doctorate people who worked out at Redstone
    Arsenal. That middle ground was where our work force was lacking.?

    Huntsville targeted its incentives toward this sector. Its first big
    win, in 2014, was a new plant for Remington Outdoor Co., the rifle
    maker. (Some stereotypes don?t die.) Soon afterward, Polaris Inc.
    arrived, opening a plant to produce its auto-cycle, the Slingshot, and
    an off-road utility vehicle, the Ranger. Then GE Aviation arrived, and
    then after that, Aerojet Rocketdyne, which now produces solid rocket
    motors in Huntsville.
    HudsonAlpha is now home to 40 biotech companies, and has been
    recognized in the pharmaceutical industry for the role it plays in
    workforce training and research. Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    The city also leaned into its expertise. After the Second World War,
    the U.S. government brought over German engineers who?d developed
    aircraft, rockets and missiles for the Nazis. This group eventually
    settled in Huntsville and worked out of Redstone Arsenal. (Despite
    their pasts, the U.S. decided it was more important to win the budding
    Cold War with the Soviets.) The scientists, led by Wernher von Braun,
    went on to develop the Saturn rockets used for America?s missions to
    the moon. It?s why Huntsville is now known as Rocket City.

    All this innovation seeped into the city?s mindset. In 2004, two
    benefactors, the late Lonnie McMillian, a telecommunications
    executive, and Jim Hudson, a businessman who?d founded Research
    Genetics, a company that helped map the human genome, used their money
    to seed a life sciences ecosystem. To lead it, they hired the former
    director of Stanford University?s Human Genome Center.

    The guiding hope was that one day the campus would attract world-class organizations. HudsonAlpha is now home to 40 biotech companies, and
    its home run came in December, when Eli Lilly came to town.
    The dark side of the boom

    Canadian Robert Sbrissa moved to Alabama with his family three decades
    ago. Though Birmingham is now a vibrant city emerging from a
    tumultuous past, Mr. Sbrissa acknowledges that a wealth disparity is
    visible, including in the school system. Charity Rachelle/The Globe
    and Mail

    Robert Sbrissa has seen the boom up close. Originally from Montreal,
    he and his wife, Monica, moved to Birmingham in 1996 with two young
    kids. The financial software company he worked for was based in the
    U.S., and it asked him to move down. The family mulled it over, then
    bit. ?It was a day in March that snowed about 15 inches in Montreal
    and I said, ?Let?s give it a shot.?? The couple assumed they?d do a
    two-year stint. This August, it?ll be 30 years in Alabama.

    Over dinner at the golf and country club in Greystone, the affluent neighbourhood where his family now lives, Mr. Sbrissa says their
    experience is a common one. ?You get people who move here for work ?
    and not a lot of people leave.?

    First, the U.S. simply pays more for many senior white-collar jobs,
    and top personal tax rates in Alabama can be around 40 per cent.
    Today, they?re 53.5 per cent in Ontario. The size of the U.S. economy
    is also breathtaking ? and companies make decisions faster. It?s a
    dream for someone in sales. ?The entrepreneurial spirit was like
    nothing I had seen or experienced before,? he says.
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    Mr. Sbrissa walks through the golf course in Greystone, the affluent neighbourhood where his family now lives.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    Daily life was also a joy. Neighbours really are friendly in the
    South; the kids went to public schools equivalent to top private
    schools in Canada; and because the family could afford it, the health
    care is fantastic. Mr. Sbrissa recently got a magnetic resonance
    imaging scan within days.

    As for Birmingham itself, there?s the beauty of the rolling hills,
    which deliver stunning fall foliage. And the city?s becoming a foodie
    hub. A new restaurant, Bayonet, was named one of America?s 50 best
    restaurants by The New York Times last fall. And despite the bible
    thumping, Birmingham has a sizable LGBTQ+ community and scored the
    same as Boston on the Human Rights Campaign?s Municipal Equality
    Index.

    There is a ?but.? The metro area, Mr. Sbrissa says, has noticeable
    income divisions. The public high school his son went to had a
    football field that installed the same turf as Gillette Stadium, the
    home of the New England Patriots. ?You go 25 miles down the road and
    these kids don?t have books,? he says.
    A teacher prepares for class at James Rushton Early Learning Center in Woodlawn. For decades, the dire state of the Woodland?s schools has
    stunted the community's ability to recover and grow. The subsidized
    learning center is part of a community initiative for better education opportunities, and part of the broader efforts to rebuild the
    neighbourhood. Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    The way schools are funded is part of the problem. A good chunk of the
    money comes from town property taxes, In Greystone, the average list
    price for a home is currently US$1.5-million. In Woodlawn, which is
    close to the downtown core, it?s US$230,000. Alabama also has low
    property tax rates that average just 0.4 per cent annually, the
    second-lowest in the country. When they are multiplied by house
    prices, poorer areas have much less money to pay for quality teachers.
    It?s baked-in inequality that exists across much of the U.S.

    Structural issues such as these leave a long tail of destruction,
    something Mashonda Taylor, chief executive officer of a community
    organization called Woodlawn United, is trying to combat. Woodlawn
    used to be a thriving middle-class community, but people fled after
    the Civil Rights Era and after the steel business in town petered out.

    To rebuild, Woodlawn is using a multipronged approach: adding
    mixed-income housing; emphasizing public safety and green spaces;
    beefing up education opportunities, such as a subsidized early
    learning centre; and helping residents land stable, well-paying jobs.
    But the dire state of the community?s schools makes a rebirth that
    much more complicated. She sees residents in their 20s who struggle to
    break the cycle of poverty. ?They didn?t learn how to read. Or do
    basic math,? she says. ?So, you can?t get a higher-quality job.?
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Woodlawn United President and CEO Mashonda Taylor. The organization,
    founded in 2010, takes a multi-pronged approach to breaking the
    neighbourhood?s cycle of poverty.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    It?s often even worse in rural areas, which make up 42 per cent of the
    state?s population. Within the Appalachian Region, 26 per cent of
    adults read below third-grade level, and 40 per cent of adults
    struggle to solve math problems that require more than one step,
    according to the Appalachian Learning Initiative.

    As for health care, in 2025 the Commonwealth Fund, a foundation that
    conducts independent research, ranked Alabama 42nd out of the 50
    states for its overall health system performance. In rural areas,
    hospitals are having trouble simply staying open.

    There are many ways to slice and dice the data to show how Alabama is
    far behind Canada when it comes to overall health, but one statistic
    sums it up. For all the investment dollars that Alabama has brought
    in, the state?s life expectancy is still just 74 years, the
    fourth-lowest in the U.S. In Canada, it?s 82 years, one of the highest worldwide.
    The perils of per capita GDP

    Pedestrians cross a busy street in Vancouver. One component in the per
    capita calculation is population, and Canada?s has exploded in the
    past few years, much faster than the U.S. growth rate on a percentage
    basis. Jennifer Gauthier/Reuters

    All these nuances ? the income disparity, the life expectancy, the
    kids who can?t read ? epitomize why Jim Stanford, a veteran economist,
    is so mystified by the recent obsession with per capita GDP. The
    metric, he says, doesn?t capture what the average person receives from
    a country?s production.

    He breaks down the formula to explain his point. There are multiple
    ways to calculate GDP, but he likes to use the income approach, which
    adds up everything earned in the economy ? wages, profits and
    investment income. Mr. Stanford says only about half of GDP is paid to
    workers; much of the rest comes from corporate profits and investment
    income, and they mostly flow to the wealthy as shareholders.

    To his mind, Ireland illustrates this problem best. By the IMF?s
    calculations, Ireland has the third-highest per capita GDP in the
    world, around US$150,000. Mr. Stanford says that is divorced from
    reality. ?I?ve slung a Guinness or two in an Irish pub. Great country.
    Friendly people. Not rich,? he says. Ireland?s figure is skewed
    because many global companies book their international profits there,
    owing to the country?s low corporate tax rate.

    As for the second component in the GDP per capita calculation ?
    population ? Canada?s soared by two million people in 2023 and 2024.
    That?s much faster than the equivalent U.S. growth rate on a
    percentage basis. It takes time for all these newcomers to start
    materially boosting GDP and offset their drag on the per capita
    number.

    What, then, are Canadians to make of all this?

    To start, per capita GDP isn?t the be-all and end-all. In Alabama,
    tens of billions of dollars of direct investment have poured in over
    the past decade, but the state?s minimum wage is still just US$7.25.
    Not every worker benefits. In fact, Alabama recently ranked as the
    third-worst state for financial hardship, according to official U.S.
    government data, with 41 per cent saying they had a somewhat difficult
    or very difficult time making ends meet.

    Per capita GDP also doesn?t reflect social values. Canada has a high
    rate of unionization, which many people love. Meanwhile, Alabama has a
    total abortion ban except in dire health scenarios.

    But there are things to learn from the South. Mr. Canfield, the former
    commerce secretary, can?t emphasize it enough: For businesses, speed
    to market matters. Companies that put capital at risk want to earn
    back those investment dollars as quickly as possible.

    In Canada, Prime Minister Mark Carney has floated the possibility of a
    new pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific Ocean, but just this week,
    Enbridge Inc. said it won?t touch the project because it can?t sink
    more money into something that may never see the light of day.

    Alabama?s evolution also poses a somewhat existential question for
    Canadians: In a competitive, global market, why should companies
    invest in the Great White North?

    Last fall, there was an uproar in Ontario because Stellantis NV, the
    automaker, said it would shut a plant in Brampton, Ont. The timing,
    tied to U.S. President Donald Trump?s tariff regime, dominated
    headlines. But what got lost is that Brampton, a suburb of Toronto, is
    now a very expensive place to live, with an average detached home
    price of $1.05-million. The union that represents Stellantis workers
    has to fight for higher wages, and that makes the plant less
    profitable for the company.
    The Stellantis vehicle assembly plant in Brampton, Ont., in October,
    2025. Stellantis announced plans to close the facility and move
    production of its Jeep Compass to Illinois, causing uproar in Ontario.
    Nathan Danette/The Canadian Press; Chris Young/The Canadian Press

    Think about it from a CEO?s vantage point: If workers in Canada are
    more expensive, they should provide value over and above what a
    newly-trained ? and cheaper ? work force in Alabama can offer,
    especially considering there is now also an entire auto parts supplier
    network in Alabama and a major port nearby in Savannah, Ga., that?s
    bigger than any in Canada.

    To Canada?s credit, it isn?t exactly standing still. One of Prime
    Minister Carney?s first moves last year was to establish a Major
    Projects Office to streamline regulatory reviews for projects that
    Ottawa deems to be in the national interest. Bye-bye red tape.

    But the federal government can?t solve every problem. Over the years,
    there has been report after report on how to make Canada?s economy
    more vibrant. Boost interprovincial trade. Tap Canada?s highly
    educated work force to fuel the innovation sector. Recruit skilled
    immigrants. Canadians have the answers, and yet, somehow, nothing
    really changes.

    Why is that? In 2007, one of these reports was commissioned by Stephen
    Harper?s government, and the authors, led by Red Wilson, came to this conclusion: ?Canadians do not perceive that there is an imminent
    crisis.? Canadians certainly don?t want the country to fall behind as
    more nimble and aggressive competitors rise, the authors added, but
    they ?do not appear to have a view about what needs to be done to
    avoid this outcome.? If Ottawa commissioned yet another report today,
    its conclusion could easily be the same.

    So, yes, Canadians should take it all with a grain of salt. Alabama
    has its flaws. Per capita GDP does, too. But there is a glaring lesson
    in the Deep South: If Canadians remain complacent, the rest of the
    world will eat our lunch.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 19:46:40 2026
    On 2026-02-21 5:23 p.m., shawn wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 20:16:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our country >> is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg


    They annoyed me enough with not giving me enough of a sense of what
    was in the article that I got around their protections. First by
    finding the following article from the same site that covers the high
    level discussion and then the detailed article listed at the bottom.


    The upshot of both articles is that Alabama is competing for jobs on
    an international basis and winning, at least in some circumstances.
    Due both to a push by the government to attract new businesses and a
    lower cost labor force. None of which is new or should be to anyone.
    It's one of the reasons ICEs interaction with the Koreans brought over
    to help with the Hyundai(I think that was the company) plant in
    Georgia made the news. It's been going on for some years now with a
    number of car manufacturers building plants in Alabama, Georgia and
    South Carolina. No surprise something similar might happen with drug manufacturers like Eli Lily, the main company mentioned in the story
    below.

    I copied both articles for you below so you can read them here or on
    the web sites. The web sites would also include charts with additional
    data not included here.

    Enjoy!

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-business-brief-how-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama/

    Good morning. Today, we?re eating humble pie for breakfast because,
    somehow, Canada flipped from being a rich G7 country to poorer than
    Alabama ? at least by one important metric. How?s that possible?



    Annie Buckland works inside CoLab at the Hudson Alpha Research Park in Huntsville Alabama on February 6th, 2026.Charity Rachelle/Supplied
    In focus
    An overdue wake-up call

    Hi, I?m Tim Kiladze, a financial reporter and columnist, and for the
    past few years, I?ve been dying to know: Is Canada seriously poorer
    than Alabama? In today?s edition, we?ve got answers, both from talking
    to economic experts and from travelling to the Deep South for an on-the-ground investigation.

    The data point that spurred this panic started flying around economic
    circles in 2023, largely thanks to some number crunching by economist
    Trevor Tombe, who measured per capita GDP for every Canadian province
    and every U.S. state. It took on a life of its own in 2024 when even
    The Economist wrote about it, all at a time when Canadians had severe economic angst and were furious with Ottawa for runaway home prices
    and soaring grocery costs.

    It would have been understandable if Canada?s economy had fallen
    farther behind the broader United States, which has been at the
    forefront of the technological revolution. But Alabama?

    The issue ultimately died down because Donald Trump was re-elected and
    he distracted everyone with his trade war. Then there was a federal
    election in Canada. But it was still important to know: Is it real?
    Because if so, it has major implications for Canada?s standing on the
    global stage.
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    Greenhouse assistant Lauren Holder inspects Miscanthus grass inside
    the Kathy L Chan Green House at Hudson Alpha Research Part in Huntsville.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    To get to the bottom of it, two issues had to be studied. First, what
    did per capita GDP, the measure used to judge our economic standing,
    really account for? And two, it was time to see what Alabama was up
    to.

    Asking around about per capita GDP, it was quickly clear that its
    usefulness is hotly contested. No single data point can measure a
    country?s wellbeing. It can be a good starting point, but it?s not the
    be-all and end-all. And it doesn?t capture what the average person
    receives from a country?s production.

    But that can?t be the end of the story, because when it comes to
    Alabama, many Canadians would be floored by what?s happening there.

    Huntsville, in the north, is a biotech and aerospace hub, and driving
    around, you see just as many Subarus as you do pickup trucks. The
    state has transformed into an auto-manufacturing powerhouse, now
    producing nearly as many cars as Ontario. Alabama is also bigger than
    you might think, home to five million people, about the same
    population as Alberta, and its unemployment rate is now less than half
    of Canada?s.
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    Robert Sbrissa outisde his home in Hoover Alabama on Feb. 5,
    2026.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    In Birmingham, I met Robert Sbrissa, who has seen the economic boom up
    close. He and his family moved to the region from Montreal in 1996. Initially, they assumed they?d do a two-year bid; in August, it?ll be
    30 years in Alabama. ?The entrepreneurial spirit was like nothing I
    had seen or experienced before,? he told me.

    The state has its flaws, no doubt. For all the newfound wealth, it?s
    still one of the poorest in the U.S. Its health care is also, on
    average, among the worst in the U.S. But simply scoffing at those
    stats will do Canadians no good, because places like Alabama are
    competing for the same global capital now ? and quite often, they?re
    winning it. In December, Huntsville won the beauty contest for a
    US$6-billion Eli Lilly plant. It?s the kind of thing that could have
    just as easily gone to Montreal, a pharmaceutical hub.

    If Canada isn?t careful, places such as the Deep South will continue
    to steal jobs ? and teach us lessons the hard way.



    https://web.archive.org/web/20260221053839/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-became-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    This is the original article that goes into much more detail.




    For an overdue wake-up call, The Globe travelled to the Deep South to understand how the state is breaking stereotypes and, at times,
    looking richer than Canada
    Tim Kiladze
    Huntsville, alabama
    The Globe and Mail
    Published Yesterday
    Tommy Battle, the five-term Mayor of Huntsville, Ala., at his office
    in city hall.
    Tommy Battle, the five-term Mayor of Huntsville, Ala., at his office
    in city hall.
    Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail
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    In December, Tommy Battle?s dream came true. The five-term Mayor of Huntsville is Alabama to the bone, born in Birmingham and a graduate
    of the state university in Tuscaloosa, but for the past 18 years he?s
    tried to distance his city from the state?s unsavoury stereotypes.

    Huntsville, in the north, is the home of the Saturn rocket program
    that took on the Soviet Union?s Sputnik. It houses the second-largest
    biotech research park in the United States. And it has attracted
    high-end manufacturing investments such as Blue Origin?s rocket engine
    plant.

    But Alabama tropes are hard to shake: The state is backward and full
    of bible thumpers and bigots ? allegedly. When local companies try to
    hire from afar, Mayor Battle says recruits often hear the same
    responses when telling their spouses: ??Huntsville?? With one question
    mark. Then they say, ?Alabama???? With three question marks.?

    Translation: You?ve got to be kidding me.

    But in December, Huntsville had the last laugh. Eli Lilly and Co. was
    looking to build a US$6-billion manufacturing plant that would create
    3,000 construction jobs and employ 450 engineers, scientists, lab
    technicians and operations staff. After narrowing down the field of
    300 bidders, the pharmaceutical giant named Huntsville a winner, one
    of four new facilities in the U.S. It?s the state?s largest-ever
    private industrial investment, and it personifies the tagline the
    Mayor has preached: ?Huntsville: a smart place.?

    For eons, Canadians have viewed Alabama as a small state that, save
    for a few pockets, is dirt poor. All anybody seems to know about
    Alabama is that Montgomery and Birmingham were the centre of the civil
    rights movement. In 1963, when Martin Luther King Jr. wrote his
    ?Letter from a Birmingham Jail,? he called Birmingham ?probably the
    most thoroughly segregated city in the United States.?

    So, it was a shock when Canadian economist Trevor Tombe and the
    International Monetary Fund ran the numbers in 2023 and 2024 and
    concluded that Canada had, in fact, become poorer than Alabama.

    To measure this, they calculated gross domestic product (GDP) per
    capita. In simple terms, it?s the size of the Canadian economy in a
    given year divided by the population. The same was done for Alabama.
    After adjusting for foreign exchange and some cost differences in both countries, the average for Canada?s 10 provinces was estimated at
    US$55,000 in 2022, the same as Alabama. Shortly after, the IMF found
    Canada had actually fallen behind the southern state. (Canada has
    since edged ever-so-slightly higher than Alabama; the numbers are
    volatile from year to year.)

    The timing was terrible for the Canadian psyche. Home prices were on
    an astronomical trajectory, inflation made everyday items such as
    groceries far more expensive and there was deep resentment toward
    Ottawa. Canadians could probably stomach having their living standards
    slip relative to the broader U.S., the epicentre of the world?s tech revolution. But Alabama?

    For an ego check, The Globe and Mail travelled to the Deep South to understand how this happened. Immediately, it was obvious Alabama is misunderstood. In Huntsville, there are as many Subaru Outbacks as
    there are pickup trucks, and the geography in Alabama?s two largest metropolitan areas ? Birmingham and Huntsville ? looks nothing like
    the historical imagery.
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    Mr. Battle has spent his tenure trying to distance his city from the
    state?s unsavoury stereotypes and instead highlight its growth in
    recent decades.Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    ?Most people think of Alabama as flat pasture land with cotton
    fields,? says Daniel Hughes, a real estate executive who took his Montgomery-based company, BSR Real Estate Investment Trust, public on
    the Toronto Stock Exchange. Huntsville and Birmingham, though, are
    nestled in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. Looking out
    from Mayor Battle?s seventh-floor office in city hall, the landscape
    could easily be Vermont.

    Alabama is also home to five million people ? the same population as
    Alberta ? and its economy is booming. The state?s unemployment rate is
    now just 2.7 per cent, versus 6.5 per cent in Canada, and its major
    employers include Airbus SE and giant defence contractor Northrop
    Grumman Corp. The state has also morphed into an auto manufacturing powerhouse with plants from Mercedes-Benz AG, Toyota Motor Corp.,
    Hyundai Motor Co. and more. In 2024, Alabama made nearly as many
    vehicles as Ontario.

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    Of course, there is much more to an economy ? and to quality of life ?
    than industrial prowess. Alabama still has some serious flaws. For
    people living in poverty, there is almost no floor, and access to
    quality education remains a pipe dream for many.

    There are also limits to how much can actually be gleaned from per
    capita GDP. It is not the Holy Grail. To start, one key variable is population, and Canada?s has exploded over the past four years. That
    alone skews the numbers.

    But being on the ground in Alabama, it was obvious that Canadians need
    a wake-up call. They tend to view the economy through a historical
    lens ? this is a G7 country that has long punched above its weight.
    Yet capital is global now and competition for it is fierce. If Canada
    isn?t careful, places such as the Deep South will continue to steal
    jobs. The Eli Lilly plant awarded in December could have just as
    easily gone to Montreal, a pharmaceutical hub.

    In other words, it might be time to eat some humble pie. ?People have
    a lot to learn from Alabama,? Mr. Hughes says.
    How Alabama transformed

    Researchers Haley Hale and Annie Buckland conduct lab work at the
    HudsonAlpha Institute for biotechnology in Huntsville. Charity
    Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    Alabama?s sea change started in 1993. Historically, the state had an agricultural economy fuelled by slavery in the Black Belt, a stretch
    of rich, dark soil that was ideal for growing cotton. Over time,
    Alabama diversified with forestry products, textile and apparel manufacturing, and steel ? Birmingham had iron ore, coal and
    limestone, which are perfect ingredients. But eventually the
    mechanization of farming, foreign competition for steelmakers and a
    rising U.S. dollar became troublesome.

    By the early 1980s, Alabama had the second-highest unemployment rate
    in the country. At a 1985 seminar in Birmingham, Sheila Tschinkel, the director of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, a central
    bank regional office, laid it all out. Companies, she said, were
    scared away by ?the relatively low educational level of Alabama?s work
    force and its lack of flexibility, the state?s remoteness from
    national markets and deficiencies in infrastructure that make
    outsiders reluctant to move to many sections of the state.? It was a
    trifecta of doom.

    Mercedes-Benz was the saviour. In the early 1990s, the automaker was struggling with high costs at its German plants and competition from
    Japanese luxury brands such as Lexus, so it decided to launch a luxury
    SUV plant in the U.S. The automaker made states bid against each
    other, and Alabama, North Carolina and South Carolina all ponied up
    big tax incentives. The cherry on top: All three are right-to-work
    states, which means unions can?t charge individuals mandatory dues.
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Workers install a sign near near Tuscaloosa, Ala., announcing a future
    North American Mercedes-Benz plant, in September, 1993. The German
    auto maker?s investment in the state kickstarted a wave of companies
    looking to build their production facilities in Alabama.John C. Hillery/REUTERS

    In the end, Vance, a city just outside Birmingham, won the beauty
    contest. Sometimes it?s the little things that matter. Reports at the
    time said Alabama simply showed more zeal ? plus the Germans liked the
    woods and rolling hills around Birmingham, which reminded them of the countryside around Stuttgart.

    That single investment turned into the tip of a very long spear. A few
    years later, Honda Motor Co. Ltd. opened a plant in Lincoln, then
    Hyundai built its own near Montgomery. Mazda Motor Corp. and Toyota
    are now also in Huntsville, where they share a manufacturing facility.
    Auto suppliers have piled in, too. Michigan remains the top auto
    producer in Canada and the U.S., with two million vehicles
    manufactured in 2024, but Alabama is now in the top five, producing
    1.2 million vehicles annually, close to the 1.3 million that Ontario
    churns out.

    The irony of all this is that Alabama?s success was almost too good.
    The incentives started to strain the state?s finances.

    Whenever a new opportunity emerged, Alabama would layer discounts on
    property and sales taxes as well as large capital investment tax
    credits on top of a competitive corporate tax rate. The state also
    wasn?t shy to add in some cash grants. In other words, Alabama would
    throw the kitchen sink at new investments, and companies could use the benefits up front, before any revenue was generated.
    Huntsville Mayor Tommy Battle, Alabama Secretary of Commerce Greg
    Canfield and Alabama Governor Kay Ivey hold a press conference with executives from Toyota and Mazda to announce plans to build a
    joint-venture plant in Huntsville, in January, 2018. Albert Cesare/The Montgomery Advertiser via AP
    An employee works on the Toyota engine assembly line in Huntsville,
    where Mazda and Toyota share a manufacturing facility. Carlos
    Barria/Reuters

    Because of this structure, Alabama often had to borrow money to fund
    the program. ?We weren?t being great stewards to the taxpayers,? says
    Greg Canfield, the state?s former commerce secretary, who was tasked
    with fixing the problem. He has since developed something of a cult
    following in the state for revamping it while also keeping the
    investment dollars coming.

    To fix the program, Mr. Canfield simplified it all, offering smaller
    tax credits for capital investments and adding in some time limits. Crucially, the incentives could only be accessed once companies built
    their facilities and hired employees, and there were clawbacks if
    companies didn?t keep their promises.

    It was a risk, but Alabama didn?t feel as desperate anymore. ?We felt
    like we could win most of the time based on having available sites,
    available work force, good business climate, low taxes and speed to
    market,? Mr. Canfield explains from the office of Burr & Forman LLP in Birmingham, where he is now a managing director of economic
    development. The last point was key. When companies invested in
    Alabama, they could receive permits and begin construction quickly.
    Red tape was for suckers.
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    A prototype of a Mercedes-Benz Electric SUV is displayed at the
    automaker?s battery pack plant in Bibb County, Ala., in March,
    2022.Reuters

    Another signature achievement of his: putting together a marketing
    campaign for the state. ?Whenever I had travelled around the world,
    nobody knew where Alabama was,? he says. ?If they?d heard of it, it
    wasn?t a positive image.? He hired a branding agency and launched a
    campaign called ?Made in Alabama.? Reminiscing, he pulls up the old
    slide deck on his iPad, grinning like a proud father.

    At the local level, Huntsville deployed a similar approach. When Mayor
    Battle won his first election, in 2008, ?we had great entry-level
    jobs. Hospitality, landscaping, etc.,? he says. ?And we had great jobs
    on the top end, which was, you know, your rocket scientist, your
    technical person, your doctorate people who worked out at Redstone
    Arsenal. That middle ground was where our work force was lacking.?

    Huntsville targeted its incentives toward this sector. Its first big
    win, in 2014, was a new plant for Remington Outdoor Co., the rifle
    maker. (Some stereotypes don?t die.) Soon afterward, Polaris Inc.
    arrived, opening a plant to produce its auto-cycle, the Slingshot, and
    an off-road utility vehicle, the Ranger. Then GE Aviation arrived, and
    then after that, Aerojet Rocketdyne, which now produces solid rocket
    motors in Huntsville.
    HudsonAlpha is now home to 40 biotech companies, and has been
    recognized in the pharmaceutical industry for the role it plays in
    workforce training and research. Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    The city also leaned into its expertise. After the Second World War,
    the U.S. government brought over German engineers who?d developed
    aircraft, rockets and missiles for the Nazis. This group eventually
    settled in Huntsville and worked out of Redstone Arsenal. (Despite
    their pasts, the U.S. decided it was more important to win the budding
    Cold War with the Soviets.) The scientists, led by Wernher von Braun,
    went on to develop the Saturn rockets used for America?s missions to
    the moon. It?s why Huntsville is now known as Rocket City.

    All this innovation seeped into the city?s mindset. In 2004, two
    benefactors, the late Lonnie McMillian, a telecommunications
    executive, and Jim Hudson, a businessman who?d founded Research
    Genetics, a company that helped map the human genome, used their money
    to seed a life sciences ecosystem. To lead it, they hired the former
    director of Stanford University?s Human Genome Center.

    The guiding hope was that one day the campus would attract world-class organizations. HudsonAlpha is now home to 40 biotech companies, and
    its home run came in December, when Eli Lilly came to town.
    The dark side of the boom

    Canadian Robert Sbrissa moved to Alabama with his family three decades
    ago. Though Birmingham is now a vibrant city emerging from a
    tumultuous past, Mr. Sbrissa acknowledges that a wealth disparity is
    visible, including in the school system. Charity Rachelle/The Globe
    and Mail

    Robert Sbrissa has seen the boom up close. Originally from Montreal,
    he and his wife, Monica, moved to Birmingham in 1996 with two young
    kids. The financial software company he worked for was based in the
    U.S., and it asked him to move down. The family mulled it over, then
    bit. ?It was a day in March that snowed about 15 inches in Montreal
    and I said, ?Let?s give it a shot.?? The couple assumed they?d do a
    two-year stint. This August, it?ll be 30 years in Alabama.

    Over dinner at the golf and country club in Greystone, the affluent neighbourhood where his family now lives, Mr. Sbrissa says their
    experience is a common one. ?You get people who move here for work ?
    and not a lot of people leave.?

    First, the U.S. simply pays more for many senior white-collar jobs,
    and top personal tax rates in Alabama can be around 40 per cent.
    Today, they?re 53.5 per cent in Ontario. The size of the U.S. economy
    is also breathtaking ? and companies make decisions faster. It?s a
    dream for someone in sales. ?The entrepreneurial spirit was like
    nothing I had seen or experienced before,? he says.
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    Mr. Sbrissa walks through the golf course in Greystone, the affluent neighbourhood where his family now lives.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    Daily life was also a joy. Neighbours really are friendly in the
    South; the kids went to public schools equivalent to top private
    schools in Canada; and because the family could afford it, the health
    care is fantastic. Mr. Sbrissa recently got a magnetic resonance
    imaging scan within days.

    As for Birmingham itself, there?s the beauty of the rolling hills,
    which deliver stunning fall foliage. And the city?s becoming a foodie
    hub. A new restaurant, Bayonet, was named one of America?s 50 best restaurants by The New York Times last fall. And despite the bible
    thumping, Birmingham has a sizable LGBTQ+ community and scored the
    same as Boston on the Human Rights Campaign?s Municipal Equality
    Index.

    There is a ?but.? The metro area, Mr. Sbrissa says, has noticeable
    income divisions. The public high school his son went to had a
    football field that installed the same turf as Gillette Stadium, the
    home of the New England Patriots. ?You go 25 miles down the road and
    these kids don?t have books,? he says.
    A teacher prepares for class at James Rushton Early Learning Center in Woodlawn. For decades, the dire state of the Woodland?s schools has
    stunted the community's ability to recover and grow. The subsidized
    learning center is part of a community initiative for better education opportunities, and part of the broader efforts to rebuild the
    neighbourhood. Charity Rachelle/The Globe and Mail

    The way schools are funded is part of the problem. A good chunk of the
    money comes from town property taxes, In Greystone, the average list
    price for a home is currently US$1.5-million. In Woodlawn, which is
    close to the downtown core, it?s US$230,000. Alabama also has low
    property tax rates that average just 0.4 per cent annually, the
    second-lowest in the country. When they are multiplied by house
    prices, poorer areas have much less money to pay for quality teachers.
    It?s baked-in inequality that exists across much of the U.S.

    Structural issues such as these leave a long tail of destruction,
    something Mashonda Taylor, chief executive officer of a community organization called Woodlawn United, is trying to combat. Woodlawn
    used to be a thriving middle-class community, but people fled after
    the Civil Rights Era and after the steel business in town petered out.

    To rebuild, Woodlawn is using a multipronged approach: adding
    mixed-income housing; emphasizing public safety and green spaces;
    beefing up education opportunities, such as a subsidized early
    learning centre; and helping residents land stable, well-paying jobs.
    But the dire state of the community?s schools makes a rebirth that
    much more complicated. She sees residents in their 20s who struggle to
    break the cycle of poverty. ?They didn?t learn how to read. Or do
    basic math,? she says. ?So, you can?t get a higher-quality job.?
    Open this photo in gallery:

    Woodlawn United President and CEO Mashonda Taylor. The organization,
    founded in 2010, takes a multi-pronged approach to breaking the neighbourhood?s cycle of poverty.Charity Rachelle/Supplied

    It?s often even worse in rural areas, which make up 42 per cent of the state?s population. Within the Appalachian Region, 26 per cent of
    adults read below third-grade level, and 40 per cent of adults
    struggle to solve math problems that require more than one step,
    according to the Appalachian Learning Initiative.

    As for health care, in 2025 the Commonwealth Fund, a foundation that
    conducts independent research, ranked Alabama 42nd out of the 50
    states for its overall health system performance. In rural areas,
    hospitals are having trouble simply staying open.

    There are many ways to slice and dice the data to show how Alabama is
    far behind Canada when it comes to overall health, but one statistic
    sums it up. For all the investment dollars that Alabama has brought
    in, the state?s life expectancy is still just 74 years, the
    fourth-lowest in the U.S. In Canada, it?s 82 years, one of the highest worldwide.
    The perils of per capita GDP

    Pedestrians cross a busy street in Vancouver. One component in the per
    capita calculation is population, and Canada?s has exploded in the
    past few years, much faster than the U.S. growth rate on a percentage
    basis. Jennifer Gauthier/Reuters

    All these nuances ? the income disparity, the life expectancy, the
    kids who can?t read ? epitomize why Jim Stanford, a veteran economist,
    is so mystified by the recent obsession with per capita GDP. The
    metric, he says, doesn?t capture what the average person receives from
    a country?s production.

    He breaks down the formula to explain his point. There are multiple
    ways to calculate GDP, but he likes to use the income approach, which
    adds up everything earned in the economy ? wages, profits and
    investment income. Mr. Stanford says only about half of GDP is paid to workers; much of the rest comes from corporate profits and investment
    income, and they mostly flow to the wealthy as shareholders.

    To his mind, Ireland illustrates this problem best. By the IMF?s calculations, Ireland has the third-highest per capita GDP in the
    world, around US$150,000. Mr. Stanford says that is divorced from
    reality. ?I?ve slung a Guinness or two in an Irish pub. Great country. Friendly people. Not rich,? he says. Ireland?s figure is skewed
    because many global companies book their international profits there,
    owing to the country?s low corporate tax rate.

    As for the second component in the GDP per capita calculation ?
    population ? Canada?s soared by two million people in 2023 and 2024.
    That?s much faster than the equivalent U.S. growth rate on a
    percentage basis. It takes time for all these newcomers to start
    materially boosting GDP and offset their drag on the per capita
    number.

    What, then, are Canadians to make of all this?

    To start, per capita GDP isn?t the be-all and end-all. In Alabama,
    tens of billions of dollars of direct investment have poured in over
    the past decade, but the state?s minimum wage is still just US$7.25.
    Not every worker benefits. In fact, Alabama recently ranked as the third-worst state for financial hardship, according to official U.S. government data, with 41 per cent saying they had a somewhat difficult
    or very difficult time making ends meet.

    Per capita GDP also doesn?t reflect social values. Canada has a high
    rate of unionization, which many people love. Meanwhile, Alabama has a
    total abortion ban except in dire health scenarios.

    But there are things to learn from the South. Mr. Canfield, the former commerce secretary, can?t emphasize it enough: For businesses, speed
    to market matters. Companies that put capital at risk want to earn
    back those investment dollars as quickly as possible.

    In Canada, Prime Minister Mark Carney has floated the possibility of a
    new pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific Ocean, but just this week,
    Enbridge Inc. said it won?t touch the project because it can?t sink
    more money into something that may never see the light of day.

    Alabama?s evolution also poses a somewhat existential question for
    Canadians: In a competitive, global market, why should companies
    invest in the Great White North?

    Last fall, there was an uproar in Ontario because Stellantis NV, the automaker, said it would shut a plant in Brampton, Ont. The timing,
    tied to U.S. President Donald Trump?s tariff regime, dominated
    headlines. But what got lost is that Brampton, a suburb of Toronto, is
    now a very expensive place to live, with an average detached home
    price of $1.05-million. The union that represents Stellantis workers
    has to fight for higher wages, and that makes the plant less
    profitable for the company.
    The Stellantis vehicle assembly plant in Brampton, Ont., in October,
    2025. Stellantis announced plans to close the facility and move
    production of its Jeep Compass to Illinois, causing uproar in Ontario.
    Nathan Danette/The Canadian Press; Chris Young/The Canadian Press

    Think about it from a CEO?s vantage point: If workers in Canada are
    more expensive, they should provide value over and above what a
    newly-trained ? and cheaper ? work force in Alabama can offer,
    especially considering there is now also an entire auto parts supplier network in Alabama and a major port nearby in Savannah, Ga., that?s
    bigger than any in Canada.

    To Canada?s credit, it isn?t exactly standing still. One of Prime
    Minister Carney?s first moves last year was to establish a Major
    Projects Office to streamline regulatory reviews for projects that
    Ottawa deems to be in the national interest. Bye-bye red tape.

    But the federal government can?t solve every problem. Over the years,
    there has been report after report on how to make Canada?s economy
    more vibrant. Boost interprovincial trade. Tap Canada?s highly
    educated work force to fuel the innovation sector. Recruit skilled immigrants. Canadians have the answers, and yet, somehow, nothing
    really changes.

    Why is that? In 2007, one of these reports was commissioned by Stephen Harper?s government, and the authors, led by Red Wilson, came to this conclusion: ?Canadians do not perceive that there is an imminent
    crisis.? Canadians certainly don?t want the country to fall behind as
    more nimble and aggressive competitors rise, the authors added, buty
    they ?do not appear to have a view about what needs to be done to
    avoid this outcome.? If Ottawa commissioned yet another report today,
    its conclusion could easily be the same.

    So, yes, Canadians should take it all with a grain of salt. Alabama
    has its flaws. Per capita GDP does, too. But there is a glaring lesson
    in the Deep South: If Canadians remain complacent, the rest of the
    world will eat our lunch.

    Thank you, Shawn, for taking the trouble to copy all of this into a post
    so we could actually read it.

    I had heard the comparison between Alabama and Canada but not the
    details so it was interesting to hear all that. Now that I have, it
    seems to me that we are comparing apples and oranges. We all know how meaningless those comparisons are.

    BTR1701 has told us a few times that California is dead last in any
    number of measurements compared to its fellow states, even worse than
    Alabama, despite its positives. Adam tells us that Chicago is fighting
    hard to take over last place in the standings. My country has seemed to
    be in a dire state since the Liberals came back into office in 2015.

    My perception is that Mark Carney is all talk and no action so I have no confidence that things are getting better now that he is leader of the
    Liberal Party. I don't hold out much hope that this country will be
    better until the Conservatives get back in. I'm not holding my breath on
    that being any time soon. Somehow, the Liberals under Carney are polling
    quite well (having stolen a bunch of Conservative policies although most
    of them haven't actually been implemented yet) and may hold an election
    this spring to finally get an actual majority government rather than
    having to get a few people in the other parties to support any bill they
    want to pass. But he may not need an election because he's coaxed
    multiple Conservatives to "cross the floor" - leave the Conservative
    Party and join the Liberals - and almost has his majority now. If he
    gets it, I truly dread to think what he might do. I think he might well
    go "full Starmer" and criminalize mean tweets and put people in jail for
    them. He might well "open the immigration tap" again; Trudeau opened it
    wide but late in his term they had to dial it back a bit because it was causing a crisis. Carney has already signed a deal with China that may
    see veteran Chinese soldiers enlisted into OUR army, presumably not at
    the bottom if they are experienced. And so on.

    There was a time this country just seemed to be getting better but those
    days are gone; now everything seems to be turning shittier by the day.
    My only hope is that I can hang on until we turn the corner on all of this.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From suzeeq@3:633/10 to All on Sat Feb 21 17:57:25 2026
    On 2/21/2026 5:41 PM, JTEM wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-bec >> ame-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our
    country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that
    possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg




    I wonder why Canadians outlive Alabamians by 7 years?

    Must be all the poverty.


    Life Expectancy Comparison: Canada vs. Alabama
    Overall Life Expectancy
    Region Life Expectancy at Birth (Years)
    Canada Approximately 82.0
    Alabama Approximately 75.2
    Key Points

    Canada has a higher life expectancy compared to Alabama. The average
    life expectancy in Canada is around 82 years, while in Alabama, it is
    about 75 years.

    Life expectancy can be influenced by various factors, including
    healthcare access, lifestyle, and socioeconomic conditions.

    Alabama ranks among the states with the lowest life expectancy in the
    U.S., often due to higher rates of chronic diseases and lower
    healthcare access.

    Conclusion

    In summary, Canadians generally live longer than residents of Alabama, reflecting differences in health systems, lifestyle choices, and economic conditions.

    Primarily, they have greater access to healthcare.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Feb 22 03:49:48 2026
    On Feb 21, 2026 at 5:41:46 PM PST, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-bec >> ame-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our
    country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that
    possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg

    I wonder why Canadians outlive Alabamians by 7 years?

    Must be all the poverty.

    Canada has a higher life expectancy compared to Alabama.

    Canada's life expectancy is dropping fast, considering how many of them are killing themselves. In 2025, 5.1% of total Canadian deaths were people who offed themselves with the MAID program. That's one out of every 20 Canadians who died. And it's still rising, especially now that the Canadian government has teams of telemarketers cold-calling people who are sick and pitching them on how wonderful it would be if they'd just kill themselves.



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Tue Feb 24 15:31:10 2026
    On 2026-02-21 10:49 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 21, 2026 at 5:41:46 PM PST, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama


    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-bec >>> ame-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our
    country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that
    possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg

    I wonder why Canadians outlive Alabamians by 7 years?

    Must be all the poverty.

    Canada has a higher life expectancy compared to Alabama.

    Canada's life expectancy is dropping fast, considering how many of them are killing themselves. In 2025, 5.1% of total Canadian deaths were people who offed themselves with the MAID program. That's one out of every 20 Canadians who died. And it's still rising, especially now that the Canadian government has teams of telemarketers cold-calling people who are sick and pitching them on how wonderful it would be if they'd just kill themselves.


    Where did you hear about these telemarketers? I think someone may have
    been pulling your leg. I have NOT heard about that. Mind you, I don't
    hear everything that happens so I'm not saying definitively that it
    ISN'T happening but: a) I've never had such a call; b) Much more
    importantly, if it was happening, I would expected a massive furore in
    the news and among the pundits and I have heard nothing of the kind.

    Having said that, there HAVE been individual cases where that option was proposed to individuals. The one I remember is that a veteran was asking
    about getting some money so that he could upgrade his house to
    accommodate a wheelchair or something of that kind and was given a pitch
    on MAID as an alternative. This DID cause a furore. (I don't know if the individual who gave the pitch was punished or if the veteran ever got
    the renovation money he'd asked about.)

    I just did a bit of a search for the original story; I found this, which indicates that was not a one-off event:

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/another-combat-veteran-offered-medical-suicide

    [Note: The article refers to "VAC" without explaining that it is
    Veterans Affairs Canada, the federal department responsible for veterans.]

    The subject of this story KNOWS PERSONALLY of 5 other vets who've been
    offered MAID and thinks the number who have been offered MAID nationally
    might be as high as 20.

    A couple of years ago, I was talking with a coworker about life in
    general and she mentioned that she had two different acquaintances who
    were dying that same week, both via MAID. I don't recall why.

    Beginning on St. Patrick's Day 2027, the criteria for MAID are going to
    be loosened further still and include people under 18.

    I'm beyond appalled but I know of no way to stop this. Now that Trudeau
    is gone, the Liberals are polling well again and Carney is likely to
    have his majority soon, which will enable them to have their own way on everything with no need to compromise.

    If Elon Musk or someone like that could kick in a few million, we might
    be able to get Conservatives to win the upcoming by-elections (you call
    them special elections) and that could stop the worst excesses but
    Carney could then call a general election where he might win a fresh
    mandate because he is actually polling well.

    This country keeps going from bad to worse.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Thu Feb 26 02:21:38 2026
    On Feb 24, 2026 at 12:31:10 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-21 10:49 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 21, 2026 at 5:41:46 PM PST, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 wrote:

    How Canadia Became Poorer Than Alabama

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-out-of-nowhere-canada-bec
    ame-poorer-than-alabama-how-is-that-possible/

    -------------------------------

    "We imported millions of people from 3rd-world shitholes and now our
    country is turning into a giant 3rd-world shithole. How is that
    possible?"

    https://ibb.co/4wW6rPfg

    I wonder why Canadians outlive Alabamians by 7 years?

    Must be all the poverty.

    Canada has a higher life expectancy compared to Alabama.

    Canada's life expectancy is dropping fast, considering how many of them are >> killing themselves. In 2025, 5.1% of total Canadian deaths were people who >> offed themselves with the MAID program. That's one out of every 20 Canadians
    who died. And it's still rising, especially now that the Canadian government
    has teams of telemarketers cold-calling people who are sick and pitching
    them
    on how wonderful it would be if they'd just kill themselves.

    Where did you hear about these telemarketers?

    Either Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh talked it about on their show about a week ago. Can't remember which one.

    I also heard that when the Canadian Hockey Team got home, they were all
    offered MAID to help with the humiliation of losing to the USA. ;-)



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