• I have personally destroyed the climate

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 1 09:11:27 2026
    People often miscalculate climate choices, a study says. One surprise is
    owning a dog
    By CALEIGH WELLS
    AP
    Updated 12:33 PM CDT, August 13, 2025 https://apnews.com/article/climate-choices-impact-decisions-recycling-flying-meat-a85ef43fc63c666e16f29e8ca1e43beb

    It's not surprising that Americans have no idea what personal habits
    contribute to significant impact on climate change and which are
    meaningless that people do anyway due to marketing hype.

    I take this criticism personally as I own a dog and, like the dog, I eat
    meat. Well, I feel that this still gets economics wrong. It's very wrong
    to blame meat consumers for the Brazilian government's encouragement of destruction of the Amazon rainforest. That was obvious failure to
    recognize that the highest and best use of that land was as a rainforest
    and not for cattle grazing. So what if not doing it raises meat prices.
    That's the way it is supposed to work. The rest of the world ALSO failed
    to realize the benefit from maintaining the rainforest and probably
    should have paid Brazil not to do it.

    Cows are blamed for methane belching.

    Here's a huge hint: There is nothing natural about agriculture. It significantly alters the environment and has a huge climate impact. Soil
    stores carbon, but when farms are converted to corn production for
    ethanol, the soil is tilled which releases a great deal of that stored
    carbon back into the atmosphere. There are no-till methods but not when
    the farmer is completely changing the crop he's growing.

    The top three individual actions that help the climate,
    including avoiding plane flights, choosing not to get a dog and
    using renewable electricity, were also the three that
    participants underestimated the most. Meanwhile, the
    lowest-impact actions were changing to more efficient appliances
    and swapping out light bulbs, recycling, and using less energy
    on washing clothes. Those were three of the top four
    overestimated actions in the report.

    btw, I opted out of electricity aggregation that was supposedly buying
    power from a downstate solar farm. In my state, there is a convoluted
    subsidy of solar and wind, with ratepayers paying surcharges. Also, it's
    the same damn electrons. The last time I failed to opt out, I paid more
    for the aggregation,

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From NoBody@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 1 07:27:37 2026
    On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 09:11:27 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    People often miscalculate climate choices, a study says. One surprise is >owning a dog
    By CALEIGH WELLS
    AP
    Updated 12:33 PM CDT, August 13, 2025 >https://apnews.com/article/climate-choices-impact-decisions-recycling-flying-meat-a85ef43fc63c666e16f29e8ca1e43beb

    It's not surprising that Americans have no idea what personal habits >contribute to significant impact on climate change and which are
    meaningless that people do anyway due to marketing hype.

    I take this criticism personally as I own a dog and, like the dog, I eat >meat. Well, I feel that this still gets economics wrong. It's very wrong
    to blame meat consumers for the Brazilian government's encouragement of >destruction of the Amazon rainforest. That was obvious failure to
    recognize that the highest and best use of that land was as a rainforest
    and not for cattle grazing. So what if not doing it raises meat prices. >That's the way it is supposed to work. The rest of the world ALSO failed
    to realize the benefit from maintaining the rainforest and probably
    should have paid Brazil not to do it.

    Cows are blamed for methane belching.

    Here's a huge hint: There is nothing natural about agriculture. It >significantly alters the environment and has a huge climate impact. Soil >stores carbon, but when farms are converted to corn production for
    ethanol, the soil is tilled which releases a great deal of that stored
    carbon back into the atmosphere. There are no-till methods but not when
    the farmer is completely changing the crop he's growing.

    The top three individual actions that help the climate,
    including avoiding plane flights, choosing not to get a dog and
    using renewable electricity, were also the three that
    participants underestimated the most. Meanwhile, the
    lowest-impact actions were changing to more efficient appliances
    and swapping out light bulbs, recycling, and using less energy
    on washing clothes. Those were three of the top four
    overestimated actions in the report.

    btw, I opted out of electricity aggregation that was supposedly buying
    power from a downstate solar farm. In my state, there is a convoluted
    subsidy of solar and wind, with ratepayers paying surcharges. Also, it's
    the same damn electrons. The last time I failed to opt out, I paid more
    for the aggregation,

    This micromanaging of trying to figure out the harm of owning dogs and calculating cow farts is beyond ridiculous. BTW, they don't really
    accomplish anything and just make people feel good about themselves.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 1 16:52:08 2026
    On Apr 1, 2026 at 2:11:27 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    People often miscalculate climate choices, a study says. One surprise is owning a dog
    By CALEIGH WELLS
    AP
    Updated 12:33 PM CDT, August 13, 2025

    https://apnews.com/article/climate-choices-impact-decisions-recycling-flying-meat-a85ef43fc63c666e16f29e8ca1e43beb

    It's not surprising that Americans have no idea what personal habits contribute to significant impact on climate change and which are
    meaningless that people do anyway due to marketing hype.

    I take this criticism personally as I own a dog and, like the dog, I eat meat. Well, I feel that this still gets economics wrong. It's very wrong
    to blame meat consumers for the Brazilian government's encouragement of destruction of the Amazon rainforest. That was obvious failure to
    recognize that the highest and best use of that land was as a rainforest
    and not for cattle grazing. So what if not doing it raises meat prices. That's the way it is supposed to work. The rest of the world ALSO failed
    to realize the benefit from maintaining the rainforest and probably
    should have paid Brazil not to do it.

    Cows are blamed for methane belching.

    Here's a huge hint: There is nothing natural about agriculture. It significantly alters the environment and has a huge climate impact. Soil stores carbon, but when farms are converted to corn production for
    ethanol, the soil is tilled which releases a great deal of that stored
    carbon back into the atmosphere. There are no-till methods but not when
    the farmer is completely changing the crop he's growing.

    The top three individual actions that help the climate,
    including avoiding plane flights, choosing not to get a dog and
    using renewable electricity, were also the three that
    participants underestimated the most. Meanwhile, the
    lowest-impact actions were changing to more efficient appliances
    and swapping out light bulbs, recycling, and using less energy
    on washing clothes. Those were three of the top four
    overestimated actions in the report.

    btw, I opted out of electricity aggregation that was supposedly buying
    power from a downstate solar farm. In my state, there is a convoluted
    subsidy of solar and wind, with ratepayers paying surcharges. Also, it's
    the same damn electrons. The last time I failed to opt out, I paid more
    for the aggregation,

    So what I take from this is that cats are still cool.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 1 17:28:45 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    So what I take from this is that cats are still cool.

    My dog says I'm not allowed to talk to you any longer if it means I'm
    not walking him but he'll forgive you if you skritch him behind the
    ears. He'll be happy to chase your cat for fun.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 1 14:55:06 2026
    On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 16:52:08 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Apr 1, 2026 at 2:11:27 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    People often miscalculate climate choices, a study says. One surprise is
    owning a dog
    By CALEIGH WELLS
    AP
    Updated 12:33 PM CDT, August 13, 2025

    https://apnews.com/article/climate-choices-impact-decisions-recycling-flying-meat-a85ef43fc63c666e16f29e8ca1e43beb

    It's not surprising that Americans have no idea what personal habits
    contribute to significant impact on climate change and which are
    meaningless that people do anyway due to marketing hype.

    I take this criticism personally as I own a dog and, like the dog, I eat
    meat. Well, I feel that this still gets economics wrong. It's very wrong
    to blame meat consumers for the Brazilian government's encouragement of
    destruction of the Amazon rainforest. That was obvious failure to
    recognize that the highest and best use of that land was as a rainforest
    and not for cattle grazing. So what if not doing it raises meat prices.
    That's the way it is supposed to work. The rest of the world ALSO failed
    to realize the benefit from maintaining the rainforest and probably
    should have paid Brazil not to do it.

    Cows are blamed for methane belching.

    Here's a huge hint: There is nothing natural about agriculture. It
    significantly alters the environment and has a huge climate impact. Soil
    stores carbon, but when farms are converted to corn production for
    ethanol, the soil is tilled which releases a great deal of that stored
    carbon back into the atmosphere. There are no-till methods but not when
    the farmer is completely changing the crop he's growing.

    The top three individual actions that help the climate,
    including avoiding plane flights, choosing not to get a dog and
    using renewable electricity, were also the three that
    participants underestimated the most. Meanwhile, the
    lowest-impact actions were changing to more efficient appliances
    and swapping out light bulbs, recycling, and using less energy
    on washing clothes. Those were three of the top four
    overestimated actions in the report.

    btw, I opted out of electricity aggregation that was supposedly buying
    power from a downstate solar farm. In my state, there is a convoluted
    subsidy of solar and wind, with ratepayers paying surcharges. Also, it's
    the same damn electrons. The last time I failed to opt out, I paid more
    for the aggregation,

    So what I take from this is that cats are still cool.


    At what point are cats not cool? I suppose a savannah cat is still
    allowed but how about a bobcat or lynx? What about a panther like
    Luna?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ4o3CTneNQ

    Still okay from a climate standpoint?

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)