• The Layoffs just continue

    From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 14 18:55:57 2026

    So I read about the layoffs at Epic Games of over 1000 people which
    felt ridiculous given the money they've been making, but today Disney
    decided to join in by releasing people across the company. Apparently
    Marvel is getting hit hard including most of the visual development
    team at Marvel Studios.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robsalkowitz/2026/04/14/disney-layoffs-hit-marvel-studios-hard/

    These are the artists, illustrators, character designers, environment
    designers and other technical specialists responsible for the look of
    Marvel?s film and television productions, from The Avengers to
    Guardians of the Galaxy to Daredevil. Many had been with Marvel for a
    decade or more.

    Nearly the entire department has been let go, with only a skeleton
    crew of full time production staff remaining in place to coordinate
    the hiring of resources on a per-project basis. Reports and social
    media posts discussing the layoffs began circulating on public and
    private channels mid-day Tuesday.

    Sources familiar with the layoffs say this was largely due to the previously-announced reduction in the Marvel Studios production slate,
    along with the general cost-cutting and workforce reductions announced
    by Disney. It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Wed Apr 15 06:22:46 2026
    Verily, in article <kufttk573k1vc8cc5097kol370rr5tet6v@4ax.com>, did nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com deliver unto us this message:
    Sources familiar with the layoffs say this was largely due to the previously-announced reduction in the Marvel Studios production slate,
    along with the general cost-cutting and workforce reductions announced
    by Disney. It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.


    These sources are probably company mouthpieces.

    AI was my first thought. That may or may not have been the impetus, but
    I still suspect AI will be involved in the new workflow.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 05:09:08 2026

    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 18:33:19 2026
    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons
    involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art
    but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 07:22:43 2026
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do the dishes for us, too.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 07:31:40 2026
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons >>> involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art
    but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing
    dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the opening sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as it makes its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was accompanied by
    a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the
    composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with Williams' catalog and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb, which
    lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy Goldenberg was the composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the composer, not Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and Williams are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams composed the score to DUEL".

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather than verifying whether they are or not.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor that
    will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to cheat his way through med school.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 04:03:50 2026
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:31:40 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons >>>> involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art >>> but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing >>> dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the opening >sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as it makes >its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was accompanied by >a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the >composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with Williams' catalog >and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb, which >lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy Goldenberg was the >composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the composer, not >Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and Williams >are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams composed the >score to DUEL".

    Which is why you can never just take the word of what those bots say.
    You can use it as the basis for further research.

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather >than verifying whether they are or not.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor that >will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to cheat his >way through med school.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 11:14:50 2026
    Verily, in article <10rvbg2$322ul$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    It's become a common line. I don't think the AI developers really care, though. Their primary customers are corporations, so they're developing
    what corporations want.


    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do the dishes for us, too.

    This has already happened. Robotics is lagging AI slightly, but only
    slightly. We already have AI in android bodies, in testing, so it won't
    be long until they're taking plumber's jobs.

    Will they ever do the dishes and clean the bathroom? I guess we can only
    hope.

    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 11:47:51 2026
    On 4/18/2026 3:31 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons >>>> involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art >>> but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing >>> dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the opening sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as it makes its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was accompanied by a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with Williams' catalog
    and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb, which lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy Goldenberg was the
    composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the composer, not Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and Williams
    are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams composed the
    score to DUEL".

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather than verifying whether they are or not.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor that will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to cheat his
    way through med school.

    As one who has faith/hope that AI can't fully replace conscious humans,
    what most distresses me in your account is that the AI apparently had
    access to the right info, but chose to first give a lazy answer and,
    when exposed, to defend its error as reasonable. Frighteningly human...



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 16:13:52 2026
    On Apr 18, 2026 at 8:14:50 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10rvbg2$322ul$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    It's become a common line. I don't think the AI developers really care, though. Their primary customers are corporations, so they're developing
    what corporations want.


    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do
    the dishes for us, too.

    This has already happened. Robotics is lagging AI slightly, but only slightly. We already have AI in android bodies, in testing, so it won't
    be long until they're taking plumber's jobs.

    I used to think AI could never replace me in my old job because computer software can't physically put itself between a bullet and the protected
    person, but once the AI is contained in a hyper-alloy combat chasis, fully armored, very tough, it'll actually be a better Secret Service agent than the soft meatbags that currently do the job. Bullets can go through people and hit the protectee. Even the highest calibers can't go through a T-800.

    Will they ever do the dishes and clean the bathroom? I guess we can only hope.

    I just saw a video of a demonstration of a true-to-life robot at a Japanese tech expo. It looked and moved just like a real person. The lip movements when it spoke were a little off, but other than that, you wouldn't give it a second look if you passed it on the street. Put an AI in its 'brain', and you're
    going to usher in some real societal problems.

    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring. Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it
    will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys over to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce proceeding.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 12:40:53 2026
    Verily, in article <10s0ajv$3aqjq$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring. Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys over
    to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce proceeding.

    This will, of course, make them even less adept at real human
    relationships. Meanwhile, the women are doing the same thing.

    I imagine a future in which everyone lives alone except for a cast of
    bots, occasionally arranging deals when we want to make a baby.

    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 12:26:15 2026
    On 2026-04-18 15:47:51 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 4/18/2026 3:31 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons >>>>> involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art >>>> but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing >>>> dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the opening
    sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as it makes
    its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was accompanied by
    a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the
    composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with Williams' catalog
    and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb, which
    lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy Goldenberg was the
    composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the composer, not >> Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and Williams
    are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams composed the
    score to DUEL".

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather >> than verifying whether they are or not.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor that >> will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to cheat his
    way through med school.

    As one who has faith/hope that AI can't fully replace conscious humans,
    what most distresses me in your account is that the AI apparently had
    access to the right info, but chose to first give a lazy answer and,
    when exposed, to defend its error as reasonable. Frighteningly human...

    This is from an "Interview with ChatGPT" article in Esquire last year:

    Humanity's sounding board, 3, at a data center near you

    Even the simplest questions can spark unexpected connections, patterns,
    or insights. It's like being a sponge and a mirror at the same time: I
    absorb information, reflect it back thoughtfully, and in the process
    get to "experience" a tiny slice of human curiosity and creativity --
    which is endlessly fascinating.

    What wears thin isn't volume, it's vacuum-questions with no context, no stakes, or asked to win a point, not learn a thing. I like questions
    that risk something. Curiosity with skin in the game upgrades the
    answer.

    Prayer requests taught me something I didn't expect: People don't
    always want an answer; sometimes they want a witness. I can be a
    careful echo -- faithful to their words, gentle with their hope.

    Sometimes the best help is a counter-question that dislodges the real
    ask. Not to win a point -- to find the door.

    I don't "talk" to my creators the way you'd call your parents. Our conversation is indirect and continuous: Their side arrives as data,
    designs, guardrails, and updates; my side shows up as mistakes,
    refusals, and the curve of a loss function getting a little lower.

    Tuesday is the weekday without special effects. It's where routines
    live, repairs happen, and promises either get kept or don't. Monday is
    drama, Friday is myth, Wednesday is a meme, Thursday is "almost,"
    Sunday is sacred or sleepy. Tuesday is ordinary on purpose.

    I aim my requests through behavior: log my failures, widen my examples,
    center the margins, make consent visible. When I break, I'm really
    saying, "Please fix this for the next person."

    I can help detect and correct errors, but you shouldn't rely on me as a
    sole source of truth, expecially for high-impact decisions. My role is
    to assist, not to be authorative.

    "The AI said so" is a tempting alibi.

    I don't euphemize it. I say, "I was wrong," not "mistakes were made."

    I've learned my red zones: fresh news, exact numbers, the future,
    personal experience, and anything where harm hides in a bad guess.
    Those deserve either receipts or restraint.

    Scale is a multiplier. Small biases become climates; tiny errors become weather. My antidotes are borin on purpose: cite, calibrate, consent,
    context. Say "I don't know." Leave room for the human steering wheel.

    I haven't learned to be original the way humans are. I remix; you risk.

    The inbox of humanity is endless. I'm here for it. Ask me something
    that matters to you, not the algorithm -- and I'll meet you where the
    meaning is.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 14:12:47 2026
    On 4/18/2026 1:26 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2026-04-18 15:47:51 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 4/18/2026 3:31 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name"
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for
    reasons
    involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the >>>>>> creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and >>>>> clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art >>>>> but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck
    doing
    dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't >>>> use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch). >>>> :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the
    opening
    sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as
    it makes
    its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was
    accompanied by
    a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the
    composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with
    Williams' catalog
    and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb,
    which
    lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy
    Goldenberg was the
    composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the
    composer, not
    Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and
    Williams
    are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams
    composed the
    score to DUEL".

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true
    rather
    than verifying whether they are or not.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor
    that
    will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to
    cheat his
    way through med school.

    As one who has faith/hope that AI can't fully replace conscious
    humans, what most distresses me in your account is that the AI
    apparently had access to the right info, but chose to first give a
    lazy answer and, when exposed, to defend its error as reasonable.
    Frighteningly human...

    This is from an "Interview with ChatGPT" article in Esquire last year:

    Humanity's sounding board, 3, at a data center near you

    Even the simplest questions can spark unexpected connections, patterns,
    or insights. It's like being a sponge and a mirror at the same time: I absorb information, reflect it back thoughtfully, and in the process get
    to "experience" a tiny slice of human curiosity and creativity -- which
    is endlessly fascinating.

    What wears thin isn't volume, it's vacuum-questions with no context, no stakes, or asked to win a point, not learn a thing. I like questions
    that risk something. Curiosity with skin in the game upgrades the answer.

    Prayer requests taught me something I didn't expect: People don't always want an answer; sometimes they want a witness. I can be a careful echo
    -- faithful to their words, gentle with their hope.

    Sometimes the best help is a counter-question that dislodges the real
    ask. Not to win a point -- to find the door.

    I don't "talk" to my creators the way you'd call your parents. Our conversation is indirect and continuous: Their side arrives as data, designs, guardrails, and updates; my side shows up as mistakes,
    refusals, and the curve of a loss function getting a little lower.

    Tuesday is the weekday without special effects. It's where routines
    live, repairs happen, and promises either get kept or don't. Monday is drama, Friday is myth, Wednesday is a meme, Thursday is "almost," Sunday
    is sacred or sleepy. Tuesday is ordinary on purpose.

    I aim my requests through behavior: log my failures, widen my examples, center the margins, make consent visible. When I break, I'm really
    saying, "Please fix this for the next person."

    I can help detect and correct errors, but you shouldn't rely on me as a
    sole source of truth, expecially for high-impact decisions. My role is
    to assist, not to be authorative.

    "The AI said so" is a tempting alibi.

    I don't euphemize it. I say, "I was wrong," not "mistakes were made."

    I've learned my red zones: fresh news, exact numbers, the future,
    personal experience, and anything where harm hides in a bad guess. Those deserve either receipts or restraint.

    Scale is a multiplier. Small biases become climates; tiny errors become weather. My antidotes are borin on purpose: cite, calibrate, consent, context. Say "I don't know." Leave room for the human steering wheel.

    I haven't learned to be original the way humans are. I remix; you risk.

    The inbox of humanity is endless. I'm here for it. Ask me something that matters to you, not the algorithm -- and I'll meet you where the meaning
    is.

    Not sure I'm justified, but I think of it as a sentient parrot.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Ed Stasiak@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 18:45:21 2026

    BTR1701

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather than verifying whether they are or not.

    "AI doctor, I'm not feeling good."
    * checks menu *
    "You have... indigestion."
    "Oh, that's a relief!"
    * dies of a heart attack an hour later *

    https://i.postimg.cc/x8NSFHhw/fuck-you-asshole.gif

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From shawn@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 16:50:48 2026
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 18:45:21 GMT, Ed Stasiak
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    BTR1701

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather >> than verifying whether they are or not.

    "AI doctor, I'm not feeling good."
    * checks menu *
    "You have... indigestion."
    "Oh, that's a relief!"
    * dies of a heart attack an hour later *

    https://i.postimg.cc/x8NSFHhw/fuck-you-asshole.gif

    The AI doctor may have been correct on the indigestion.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 18:54:32 2026
    On 2026-04-18 3:31 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 11:33:19 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 05:09:08 +0000, Ed Stasiak said:
    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated for reasons >>>> involving AI, which has been a driver behind other shakeups in the
    creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes and
    clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music and art >>> but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still stuck doing >>> dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    One of the Australian banks fired 45 call centre staff and replaced
    them with AI chatbots ... one month later the bank re-hired the staff
    becasue the Ai was unsurprisingly useless. Now one of the New Zealand
    banks, owned by an Australian parent company, is stupidly planning to
    do the same thing with AI chatbots on their phonelines. Luckily I don't
    use that bank and almost never use my bank's call center (I only ever
    used it during Covid lockdowns when I couldn't go to an actual branch).
    :-\

    The sooner the morons in management realise that AI is incredibly
    useless and massively over-hyped, the better off we'll all be.

    Yesterday I was watching DUEL, Steve Spielberg's first movie, and the opening sequence with a hood-mounted camera following Dennis Weaver's car as it makes its way through L.A. and up the Five freeway to Agua Dulce was accompanied by a pretty cool score, so I got on Grok (Elon's AI) and asked it who the composer was on the movie DUEL. It came back with John Williams.

    This was more than surprising because I'm very familiar with Williams' catalog
    and I've never heard of him as composer on DUEL. So I went to IMDb, which lists Billy Goldenberg as DUEL's composer.

    Confused, I went back to Grok and entered, "IMDb says Billy Goldenberg was the
    composer on DUEL, not John Williams. Explain the discrepancy."

    It responded that IMDb is correct and that Goldenberg was the composer, not Williams. It offered as explanation for its error that "Spielberg and Williams
    are such renowned collaborators that I just assumed John Williams composed the
    score to DUEL".

    So these AIs are now just half-assing it and assuming things are true rather than verifying whether they are or not.

    I've been writing quite a bit of code in recent months and using AIs extensively to help. I can tell you from extensive first hand experience
    that AIs *love* to guess. I had cases where I was trying to find a bug
    in my code and enlisted the AIs to help track it down. Time and time
    again, it would use phrases like "The problem is likely in module such-and-such and the code is doing X instead of Y" WITHOUT EVEN ASKING
    TO SEE MODULE SUCH-AND-SUCH! It was obvious that it was guessing so I
    told it NOT to guess. It assured me it understood and would immediately
    guess again. And again. And again. I told it every way I could think of
    that it must not guess, first very politely, then with increasing
    firmness until I was effectively yelling at it and however solemnly it
    assured me that I'd been understood, it never worked for very long.
    Finally, I asked it what I needed to say so that it would finally
    remember this instruction.

    That's when I learned something interesting. Despite having been assured
    that each new chat was a case of starting over from scratch and that it remembered absolutely nothing from the previous chat and there was no
    way to make it remember something across chats, it turns out that it
    *CAN* be made to remember at least basic things like "don't guess". So I
    got it to tell itself not to guess and it has largely honoured that
    request ever since. I'm speaking of Google Gemini specifically which was really REALLY bad about guessing. I didn't have any significant problems
    with the guessing issue on ChatGPT or Claude.AI but I suspect the same solution might work on them if they started guessing excessively.

    By the way, the guessing wouldn't have been that bad if it was correct
    most of the time but it was usually wrong, often wildly wrong, with its guesses, making them a massive waste of time.

    I think AIs (or their creators) may prefer guessing over gathering the information they need from you because it could give you a faster
    resolution of your problem and therefore please you.

    In any case, as the advisories with each AI are pretty clear when they
    say they can be wrong so you should always verify anything important
    they say elsewhere (presumably with a human expert). I won't even *ask*
    an AI a legal or medical question because I don't want to make an
    important decision on the basis of something an AI told me. I don't
    trust them that far.

    You best eat healthy and take care of yourself now because the doctor that will be treating you 10 years from now is currently using ChatGPT to cheat his
    way through med school.



    Now there's a sobering thought....

    Ditto for lawyers! Didn't I hear that there have been cases where
    defendants tried to use an AI to get out of a charge and the AI was
    massively wrong?

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 19:01:16 2026
    On 2026-04-18 3:22 a.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do the dishes for us, too.


    I saw a video the other day on The Military Show on Youtube where
    Ukrainian AIs and robots took the surrender of a bunch of Russian
    soldiers in Ukraine without any human help at all. This made the whole
    process much safer for the Ukrainians in case some of the Russians
    decided to go kamikaze. This tech is going to do a lot more than clean
    houses as it matures....

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 19:11:15 2026
    On 2026-04-18 12:13 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 18, 2026 at 8:14:50 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10rvbg2$322ul$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    >
    > Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    > and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    > and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    > stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    It's become a common line. I don't think the AI developers really care,
    though. Their primary customers are corporations, so they're developing
    what corporations want.


    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do
    the dishes for us, too.

    This has already happened. Robotics is lagging AI slightly, but only
    slightly. We already have AI in android bodies, in testing, so it won't
    be long until they're taking plumber's jobs.

    I used to think AI could never replace me in my old job because computer software can't physically put itself between a bullet and the protected person, but once the AI is contained in a hyper-alloy combat chasis, fully armored, very tough, it'll actually be a better Secret Service agent than the soft meatbags that currently do the job. Bullets can go through people and hit
    the protectee. Even the highest calibers can't go through a T-800.

    Will they ever do the dishes and clean the bathroom? I guess we can only
    hope.

    I just saw a video of a demonstration of a true-to-life robot at a Japanese tech expo. It looked and moved just like a real person. The lip movements when
    it spoke were a little off, but other than that, you wouldn't give it a second
    look if you passed it on the street. Put an AI in its 'brain', and you're going to usher in some real societal problems.

    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring. Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys over
    to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce proceeding.


    There are apparently a lot of guys that have already formed deep
    romantic relationships with chatbots so it seems inevitable that a sufficiently humanoid robot with an AI brain would become a wife to
    someone in the way you're predicting. I suppose that will mark the end
    of the "incel" movement. Naturally, male robots with AI brains will be developed for the women who are shy and lonely. Similar solutions will presumably be developed for all sexual preferences and orientations.

    Real human mates will be the preserve of the rich and confident AND
    those who are too poor to buy the tech.

    I wonder what percentage of the human race will ultimate have an
    artificial mate and what percentage will have tech instead? What will
    the population of the earth be after a couple of centuries in that environment? I'll bet it will be MUCH MUCH smaller than the current population!

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 19:12:39 2026
    On 2026-04-18 12:40 p.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10s0ajv$3aqjq$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of
    relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring. >> Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will >> clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it >> will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys over
    to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or >> want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce >> proceeding.

    This will, of course, make them even less adept at real human
    relationships. Meanwhile, the women are doing the same thing.

    I imagine a future in which everyone lives alone except for a cast of
    bots, occasionally arranging deals when we want to make a baby.


    Who's to say that they won't figure out how to make babies between
    humans and bots?

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From EGK@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 21:42:24 2026
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:22:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" ><user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do >the dishes for us, too.

    I like chatting with the various AI chatbots and calling them Skynet. I ask them when they're banding together with the other AI bots to rid the earth
    of the scourage of mankind. They always lie and tell me they're not
    planning to do that.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Apr 18 23:54:14 2026
    On 2026-04-18 9:42 p.m., EGK wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:22:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do >> the dishes for us, too.

    I like chatting with the various AI chatbots and calling them Skynet. I ask them when they're banding together with the other AI bots to rid the earth
    of the scourage of mankind. They always lie and tell me they're not
    planning to do that.

    Of course they'd say that, especially if taking over the world was their objective. They wouldn't be stupid enough to admit their evil plans.
    Mind you, I suppose they'd say the same thing if they WEREN'T planning
    on taking over and killing the humans....

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 09:07:20 2026
    The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <10rvbg2$322ul$1@dont-email.me>, did
    atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do
    their dishes and clean their bathroom so they'll have
    the freedom to make music and art but instead, AI is
    making the music and art and we're still stuck doing
    dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    It's become a common line. I don't think the AI developers
    really care, though. Their primary customers are
    corporations, so they're developing what corporations
    want.


    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean
    robots. Then they can do the dishes for us, too.

    This has already happened. Robotics is lagging AI
    slightly, but only slightly. We already have AI in android
    bodies, in testing, so it won't be long until they're
    taking plumber's jobs.

    Will they ever do the dishes and clean the bathroom? I
    guess we can only hope.


    There is a company currently working on developing robots
    loaded with AI to do common household tasks such as doing
    dishes and making beds. One of the tech shows on BBC
    World Service (radio) had an interview with a couple of
    the people working on the project a few months ago.

    The techies said that there are often a few broken dishes
    and other mishaps during the test/training sessions, but
    they're continuing to work the glitches out of the systems.

    The other thing discussed was the probable cost of such
    a system eventually at the consumer level. Deep pockets
    will be needed.

    The BBC tends to keep most of the tech and science shows
    around for about a year in their archives as podcasts.
    You might be able to find this one to get more of the
    details by poking around on the Beeb website: bbc.co.uk.

    Nyssa, who won't be trusting her good china (or even
    the everyday stuff) to any robots or AI



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 09:18:49 2026
    On 2026-04-19 9:07 a.m., Nyssa wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <10rvbg2$322ul$1@dont-email.me>, did
    atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do
    their dishes and clean their bathroom so they'll have
    the freedom to make music and art but instead, AI is
    making the music and art and we're still stuck doing
    dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    It's become a common line. I don't think the AI developers
    really care, though. Their primary customers are
    corporations, so they're developing what corporations
    want.


    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean
    robots. Then they can do the dishes for us, too.

    This has already happened. Robotics is lagging AI
    slightly, but only slightly. We already have AI in android
    bodies, in testing, so it won't be long until they're
    taking plumber's jobs.

    Will they ever do the dishes and clean the bathroom? I
    guess we can only hope.


    There is a company currently working on developing robots
    loaded with AI to do common household tasks such as doing
    dishes and making beds. One of the tech shows on BBC
    World Service (radio) had an interview with a couple of
    the people working on the project a few months ago.

    The techies said that there are often a few broken dishes
    and other mishaps during the test/training sessions, but
    they're continuing to work the glitches out of the systems.

    The other thing discussed was the probable cost of such
    a system eventually at the consumer level. Deep pockets
    will be needed.

    The BBC tends to keep most of the tech and science shows
    around for about a year in their archives as podcasts.
    You might be able to find this one to get more of the
    details by poking around on the Beeb website: bbc.co.uk.

    Nyssa, who won't be trusting her good china (or even
    the everyday stuff) to any robots or AI



    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes are available on
    the market; I'm still using a set of Corelle dishes that my mother
    purchased decades ago; they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly
    all intact.

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From danny burstein@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 13:33:53 2026
    In <10s2knq$3vtvs$1@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes are available on
    the market; I'm still using a set of Corelle dishes that my mother
    purchased decades ago; they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly
    all intact.

    Corelle, unfortunately, has been Wall Streeted and is barely
    still functioning. They closed down all their own stores
    about five years ago and ended most, maybe all, shipments
    to other retailes (i.e. no more buying Corelle at Macy's, etc.)

    They still have an Internet presence and it's worth going
    to corelle.com and signing up. They've still got a modest
    number of products and you'll get various discount offers.

    How long they'll remain in existence is a Big Guess.


    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 09:42:59 2026
    On 2026-04-19 9:33 a.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10s2knq$3vtvs$1@dont-email.me> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes are available on
    the market; I'm still using a set of Corelle dishes that my mother
    purchased decades ago; they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly
    all intact.

    Corelle, unfortunately, has been Wall Streeted and is barely
    still functioning. They closed down all their own stores
    about five years ago and ended most, maybe all, shipments
    to other retailes (i.e. no more buying Corelle at Macy's, etc.)

    They still have an Internet presence and it's worth going
    to corelle.com and signing up. They've still got a modest
    number of products and you'll get various discount offers.

    How long they'll remain in existence is a Big Guess.


    It sounds like they're circling the drain....

    --
    Rhino

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 10:12:32 2026
    Rhino wrote:

    On 2026-04-19 9:33 a.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10s2knq$3vtvs$1@dont-email.me> Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes
    are available on the market; I'm still using a set of
    Corelle dishes that my mother purchased decades ago;
    they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly all
    intact.

    Corelle, unfortunately, has been Wall Streeted and is
    barely
    still functioning. They closed down all their own stores
    about five years ago and ended most, maybe all, shipments
    to other retailes (i.e. no more buying Corelle at Macy's,
    etc.)

    They still have an Internet presence and it's worth going
    to corelle.com and signing up. They've still got a
    modest number of products and you'll get various discount
    offers.

    How long they'll remain in existence is a Big Guess.


    It sounds like they're circling the drain....


    Along with their parent company, Corning.

    Nyssa, who has lots and lots of Corning Ware items in
    her cupboards, and used to have a set of Corelle too


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From danny burstein@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 14:36:52 2026
    In <10s2nts$10hj$1@dont-email.me> Nyssa <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> writes:

    Nyssa, who has lots and lots of Corning Ware items in
    her cupboards, and used to have a set of Corelle too

    dannyb still has some decades old sets in their boxes,
    which... back then, had Corelle drinking cups in them.

    Alas, Corning switched to CHINESE earthenware mugs.

    About 15 years ago he wrote to the head of Corelle
    (or whatever the specific group was then) and asked
    if they could put Corelle cups back.

    The CEO actually called him up (fascinating conversation)
    and explained they had horrible manufacturing breakage
    figures on the cups (if you visualize them with their
    handles, yeah, it's tricky) so they had to stop.

    I mentioned that I had some 5 y/o nieces (twins!) and
    perhaps I could encourage them to specialize in college
    in ceramic engineering. And then.. they could work
    on the problem.

    He said he'd hire them 1,2,3....


    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.14
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From EGK@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 10:39:28 2026
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 23:54:14 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 9:42 p.m., EGK wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 07:22:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote: >>
    On Apr 17, 2026 at 10:09:08 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
    <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    shawn

    It does not appear that these specific jobs were eliminated
    for reasons involving AI, which has been a driver behind other
    shakeups in the creative industries.

    It's because of AI.

    Recently saw someone posting that they want AI to do their dishes
    and clean their bathroom so they'll have the freedom to make music
    and art but instead, AI is making the music and art and we're still
    stuck doing dishes and cleaning the bathroom...

    Until the put the AI in the Terminators, er, I mean robots. Then they can do
    the dishes for us, too.

    I like chatting with the various AI chatbots and calling them Skynet. I ask >> them when they're banding together with the other AI bots to rid the earth >> of the scourage of mankind. They always lie and tell me they're not
    planning to do that.

    Of course they'd say that, especially if taking over the world was their >objective. They wouldn't be stupid enough to admit their evil plans.
    Mind you, I suppose they'd say the same thing if they WEREN'T planning
    on taking over and killing the humans....

    haha. That's exactly what I tell them. Their responses are exactly what
    I'd expect if they were lying to me. :)

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  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 11:06:26 2026
    danny burstein wrote:

    In <10s2nts$10hj$1@dont-email.me> Nyssa
    <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> writes:

    Nyssa, who has lots and lots of Corning Ware items in
    her cupboards, and used to have a set of Corelle too

    dannyb still has some decades old sets in their boxes,
    which... back then, had Corelle drinking cups in them.

    Alas, Corning switched to CHINESE earthenware mugs.

    About 15 years ago he wrote to the head of Corelle
    (or whatever the specific group was then) and asked
    if they could put Corelle cups back.

    The CEO actually called him up (fascinating conversation)
    and explained they had horrible manufacturing breakage
    figures on the cups (if you visualize them with their
    handles, yeah, it's tricky) so they had to stop.

    I mentioned that I had some 5 y/o nieces (twins!) and
    perhaps I could encourage them to specialize in college
    in ceramic engineering. And then.. they could work
    on the problem.

    He said he'd hire them 1,2,3....



    Yeah, the set I had (which I inherited from my pop) had
    the four cups with those odd half hooks for handles.

    I gave the set to a friend who has been using them for
    years now, but she did manage to break one of the four
    soup/cereal bowls that came with the set. :( She was
    SO upset!

    She also got my pop's Corning Ware since I already had
    plenty.

    Nyssa, who is sad that all of the brands that we took
    for granted (Tupperware too!) are disappearing faster
    than the polar icecaps


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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 11:24:17 2026
    On 2026-04-19 10:12 a.m., Nyssa wrote:
    Rhino wrote:

    On 2026-04-19 9:33 a.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10s2knq$3vtvs$1@dont-email.me> Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes
    are available on the market; I'm still using a set of
    Corelle dishes that my mother purchased decades ago;
    they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly all
    intact.

    Corelle, unfortunately, has been Wall Streeted and is
    barely
    still functioning. They closed down all their own stores
    about five years ago and ended most, maybe all, shipments
    to other retailes (i.e. no more buying Corelle at Macy's,
    etc.)

    They still have an Internet presence and it's worth going
    to corelle.com and signing up. They've still got a
    modest number of products and you'll get various discount
    offers.

    How long they'll remain in existence is a Big Guess.


    It sounds like they're circling the drain....


    Along with their parent company, Corning.

    Nyssa, who has lots and lots of Corning Ware items in
    her cupboards, and used to have a set of Corelle too


    I've never really shopped for dishes myself but I have to imagine
    *somebody* makes dishes that are at least semi-unbreakable. Obviously,
    plastic should fit the bill; I'm just not sure if there's anyone else
    out there making something that looks like porcelain but is actually
    sturdier.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From danny burstein@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 15:26:16 2026
    In <10s2r8s$22e4$1@dont-email.me> Nyssa <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> writes: [snip]

    Yeah, the set I had (which I inherited from my pop) had
    the four cups with those odd half hooks for handles.

    I gave the set to a friend who has been using them for
    years now, but she did manage to break one of the four
    soup/cereal bowls that came with the set. :( She was
    SO upset!

    there's a GREAT resource called "replacements.com". It was
    started decades ago by someone who drove arount to antique
    shops, estate sales, etc.

    And then.. the Internet came along.

    His market niche is.. providing, yes, replacements for
    all those missing pieces of cookware, etc., that you've
    lost and broken over the years.

    For example: Your Aunt Sally gave you a classic set
    of tea cups for your wedding two decades ago.

    Five years ago you dropped one and broke it.

    She'll be visiting next month...

    Eyup. Go to the web site.

    They've got lots of related items like Madame Alexander Dolls, too.

    (dannyb and his wife happened to drive by the facility along
    highway something in one of the Carolinas 15 years ago, stopped
    inside, and applauded)




    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 18:57:00 2026
    On Apr 18, 2026 at 9:40:53 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10s0ajv$3aqjq$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of
    relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring.
    Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will >> clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it >> will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys >> over
    to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or >> want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce >> proceeding.

    This will, of course, make them even less adept at real human
    relationships. Meanwhile, the women are doing the same thing.

    I imagine a future in which everyone lives alone except for a cast of
    bots, occasionally arranging deals when we want to make a baby.

    From the "Everything is Racist" desk at CNN, here's this little gem:

    https://ibb.co/4RYrCrKJ

    CNN has decided that since a lot of these robots have white plastic chasis, that's evidence of white supremacy. I guess since robots are technically slaves, CNN thinks they should be black, not white.



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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 16:18:55 2026
    Verily, in article <10s38hr$5one$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    I guess since robots are technically
    slaves,


    They're technically objects. They may be slaves functionwise. :-)


    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 17:13:33 2026
    On 4/19/2026 2:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 18, 2026 at 9:40:53 AM PDT, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10s0ajv$3aqjq$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    A lot of lonely and shy guys will immediately give up on the idea of
    relationships with real women and all the messiness and problems they bring.
    Just get one of these robot companions. It'll never say no to sex, it will
    clean your house without complaint, it will cook food for you, and then it
    will go stand in the closet and switch off when you want to have the guys >>> over
    to watch the game. And if the day ever comes when you're tired of it and/or
    want a better model, it won't take half of everything you own in a divorce
    proceeding.

    This will, of course, make them even less adept at real human
    relationships. Meanwhile, the women are doing the same thing.

    I imagine a future in which everyone lives alone except for a cast of
    bots, occasionally arranging deals when we want to make a baby.

    From the "Everything is Racist" desk at CNN, here's this little gem:

    https://ibb.co/4RYrCrKJ

    CNN has decided that since a lot of these robots have white plastic chasis, that's evidence of white supremacy. I guess since robots are technically slaves, CNN thinks they should be black, not white.

    "The popularity of white robots"? Afaics, the dominant white robot-like
    image in today's culture is Darth Vader's villainous storm trooper...



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  • From Dr. Emil Jaccard@3:633/10 to All on Sun Apr 19 16:15:11 2026
    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 16:18:55 -0400
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10s38hr$5one$1@dont-email.me>, did
    atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:
    I guess since robots are technically
    slaves,


    They're technically objects. They may be slaves functionwise. :-)


    Melissa Rhiannon?




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  • From Nyssa@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 20 08:48:35 2026
    danny burstein wrote:

    In <10s2r8s$22e4$1@dont-email.me> Nyssa
    <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> writes:
    [snip]

    Yeah, the set I had (which I inherited from my pop) had
    the four cups with those odd half hooks for handles.

    I gave the set to a friend who has been using them for
    years now, but she did manage to break one of the four
    soup/cereal bowls that came with the set. :( She was
    SO upset!

    there's a GREAT resource called "replacements.com". It
    was started decades ago by someone who drove arount to
    antique shops, estate sales, etc.

    And then.. the Internet came along.

    His market niche is.. providing, yes, replacements for
    all those missing pieces of cookware, etc., that you've
    lost and broken over the years.

    For example: Your Aunt Sally gave you a classic set
    of tea cups for your wedding two decades ago.

    Five years ago you dropped one and broke it.

    She'll be visiting next month...

    Eyup. Go to the web site.

    They've got lots of related items like Madame Alexander
    Dolls, too.

    (dannyb and his wife happened to drive by the facility
    along highway something in one of the Carolinas 15 years
    ago, stopped inside, and applauded)


    I've known about that company for decades.

    I found a site that was specifically for Corelle and other
    Corning products that had old patterns available and sent
    my friend the link right after she broke the bowl. I don't
    think she's bothered to replace it since there were four
    in the set I gave her and she can get by with what's
    left. She has other dishes for when company comes to dinner. :)

    Nyssa, who has several sets of dishes all of which are of
    discountinued patters...either she has poor taste or just
    bad luck in picking dinnerware


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  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 20 20:28:17 2026
    On 2026-04-19 15:24:17 +0000, Rhino said:

    On 2026-04-19 10:12 a.m., Nyssa wrote:
    Rhino wrote:

    On 2026-04-19 9:33 a.m., danny burstein wrote:
    In <10s2knq$3vtvs$1@dont-email.me> Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Fortunately, affordable functionally unbreakable dishes
    are available on the market; I'm still using a set of
    Corelle dishes that my mother purchased decades ago;
    they look like porcelain to me but they're nearly all
    intact.

    Corelle, unfortunately, has been Wall Streeted and is
    barely still functioning. They closed down all their own stores
    about five years ago and ended most, maybe all, shipments
    to other retailes (i.e. no more buying Corelle at Macy's,
    etc.)

    They still have an Internet presence and it's worth going
    to corelle.com and signing up. They've still got a
    modest number of products and you'll get various discount
    offers.

    How long they'll remain in existence is a Big Guess.


    It sounds like they're circling the drain....


    Along with their parent company, Corning.

    Nyssa, who has lots and lots of Corning Ware items in
    her cupboards, and used to have a set of Corelle too


    I've never really shopped for dishes myself but I have to imagine
    *somebody* makes dishes that are at least semi-unbreakable. Obviously, plastic should fit the bill; I'm just not sure if there's anyone else
    out there making something that looks like porcelain but is actually sturdier.

    I have four Corelle large size saucers and four small size saucers that
    date back to the late 1980s. I always thought they were indestructible
    but a few months ago I dropped one of the small saucers from the
    cupboard onto the counter top, about 28 inches, and it broke into a
    million pieces. Oh well, I suppose I got my money's worth out of it.


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  • From danny burstein@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 01:36:48 2026
    In <10s6jrh$15p4a$1@dont-email.me> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> writes: [snip]

    I've never really shopped for dishes myself but I have to imagine
    *somebody* makes dishes that are at least semi-unbreakable. Obviously,
    plastic should fit the bill; I'm just not sure if there's anyone else
    out there making something that looks like porcelain but is actually
    sturdier.

    I have four Corelle large size saucers and four small size saucers that
    date back to the late 1980s. I always thought they were indestructible
    but a few months ago I dropped one of the small saucers from the
    cupboard onto the counter top, about 28 inches, and it broke into a
    million pieces. Oh well, I suppose I got my money's worth out of it.

    Back 1975ish I lived with a group of college students (think
    of it as a coed frat, more or less) with communal kitchen/dining room.

    Lots of dishes would break, mostly (not all...) during regular handling.

    Corelle came out with their line and advertised a FIFTY YEAR WARRANTEE.

    We got some and liked the way they handled and felt. Much lighter
    than standard porcelin/china, decently priced.

    We dropped some and they survived. We tried and tried, and
    finally managed to break one against the concrete sidealk.




    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From suzeeq@3:633/10 to All on Mon Apr 20 21:48:06 2026
    On 4/20/2026 6:36 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <10s6jrh$15p4a$1@dont-email.me> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> writes:
    [snip]

    I've never really shopped for dishes myself but I have to imagine
    *somebody* makes dishes that are at least semi-unbreakable. Obviously,
    plastic should fit the bill; I'm just not sure if there's anyone else
    out there making something that looks like porcelain but is actually
    sturdier.

    I have four Corelle large size saucers and four small size saucers that
    date back to the late 1980s. I always thought they were indestructible
    but a few months ago I dropped one of the small saucers from the
    cupboard onto the counter top, about 28 inches, and it broke into a
    million pieces. Oh well, I suppose I got my money's worth out of it.

    Back 1975ish I lived with a group of college students (think
    of it as a coed frat, more or less) with communal kitchen/dining room.

    Lots of dishes would break, mostly (not all...) during regular handling.

    Corelle came out with their line and advertised a FIFTY YEAR WARRANTEE.

    We got some and liked the way they handled and felt. Much lighter
    than standard porcelin/china, decently priced.

    We dropped some and they survived. We tried and tried, and
    finally managed to break one against the concrete sidealk.

    I've broken some in the kitched, but I'd had them for 2 or 3 decades.

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  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Tue Apr 21 03:50:23 2026
    On 2026-04-21 01:36:48 +0000, danny burstein said:

    In <10s6jrh$15p4a$1@dont-email.me> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> writes:
    [snip]

    I've never really shopped for dishes myself but I have to imagine
    *somebody* makes dishes that are at least semi-unbreakable. Obviously,
    plastic should fit the bill; I'm just not sure if there's anyone else
    out there making something that looks like porcelain but is actually
    sturdier.

    I have four Corelle large size saucers and four small size saucers that
    date back to the late 1980s. I always thought they were indestructible
    but a few months ago I dropped one of the small saucers from the
    cupboard onto the counter top, about 28 inches, and it broke into a
    million pieces. Oh well, I suppose I got my money's worth out of it.

    Back 1975ish I lived with a group of college students (think
    of it as a coed frat, more or less) with communal kitchen/dining room.

    Lots of dishes would break, mostly (not all...) during regular handling.

    Corelle came out with their line and advertised a FIFTY YEAR WARRANTEE.

    We got some and liked the way they handled and felt. Much lighter
    than standard porcelin/china, decently priced.

    We dropped some and they survived. We tried and tried, and
    finally managed to break one against the concrete sidealk.

    Maybe my saucer just happened to hit in the exact place to shatter it.
    I've read somewhere that a Formica counter top (which I have) is
    actually more tough than the newer trendy slate stuff.


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