• "Wouldn't It Be Loverly"

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 07:53:56 2026
    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My
    Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey
    Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given
    her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub
    her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 09:16:11 2026
    Verily, in article <10v8sak$3a5o1$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My
    Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given
    her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub
    her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great
    as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's
    voice until it suited them.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 15:49:14 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My >>Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey >>Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given
    her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub
    her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great
    as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few >flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    I have no idea where the clip of Julie Andrews came from. I would love
    to see film of the original cast on stage. I have seen bits of Julie
    Andrews' performance over the years, and I've attended revivals of the
    show. On stage, Eliza is performed more broadly versus the movie. I am
    quite used to Audrey Hepburn's more dramatic performance with slightly
    subter comedy than the stage performances, and I think I prefer it. One
    revival I attended, I didn't care for the actress playing Eliza at all,
    who winked at the audience at one point, They didn't have the budget for
    a full pit orchestra so they hired an arranger/pianist who arranged the
    score for two pianos. The arrangement was excellent and I complimented
    him after the show.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's >voice until it suited them.

    Live theater will be holograms on stage, too. No one will be able to tell.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 13:27:40 2026
    Verily, in article <10v9o5q$3hlon$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My >>Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey >>Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given >>her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub >>her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great
    as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few >flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    I have no idea where the clip of Julie Andrews came from. I would love
    to see film of the original cast on stage. I have seen bits of Julie
    Andrews' performance over the years, and I've attended revivals of the
    show. On stage, Eliza is performed more broadly versus the movie. I am
    quite used to Audrey Hepburn's more dramatic performance with slightly
    subter comedy than the stage performances, and I think I prefer it. One revival I attended, I didn't care for the actress playing Eliza at all,
    who winked at the audience at one point, They didn't have the budget for
    a full pit orchestra so they hired an arranger/pianist who arranged the
    score for two pianos. The arrangement was excellent and I complimented
    him after the show.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's >voice until it suited them.

    Live theater will be holograms on stage, too. No one will be able to tell.

    We're losing something, though. I know less about theater, but with live music, it speaks to deep parts of our brains and we physiologically sync
    with the performers. Holograms won't have that effect, no matter how
    well programmed they are.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 17:50:20 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9o5q$3hlon$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com >deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My
    Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey
    Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given
    her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub
    her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great
    as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few
    flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    I have no idea where the clip of Julie Andrews came from. I would love
    to see film of the original cast on stage. I have seen bits of Julie
    Andrews' performance over the years, and I've attended revivals of the
    show. On stage, Eliza is performed more broadly versus the movie. I am
    quite used to Audrey Hepburn's more dramatic performance with slightly
    subter comedy than the stage performances, and I think I prefer it. One
    revival I attended, I didn't care for the actress playing Eliza at all,
    who winked at the audience at one point, They didn't have the budget for
    a full pit orchestra so they hired an arranger/pianist who arranged the
    score for two pianos. The arrangement was excellent and I complimented
    him after the show.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's
    voice until it suited them.

    Live theater will be holograms on stage, too. No one will be able to tell.

    We're losing something, though. I know less about theater, but with live >music, it speaks to deep parts of our brains and we physiologically sync >with the performers. Holograms won't have that effect, no matter how
    well programmed they are.

    We don't have to lose it. It's up to audiences to support live,
    unadulterated performances.

    Otherwise we'll be discussing these music at first reaction videos
    featuring two kids who had no idea music was once performed without
    being computer generated.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 15:39:26 2026
    Verily, in article <10v9v8s$3jrc3$3@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9o5q$3hlon$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com >deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My >> >>Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey >> >>Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given >> >>her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub >> >>her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think >> >>it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great >> >as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few
    flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    I have no idea where the clip of Julie Andrews came from. I would love
    to see film of the original cast on stage. I have seen bits of Julie
    Andrews' performance over the years, and I've attended revivals of the
    show. On stage, Eliza is performed more broadly versus the movie. I am
    quite used to Audrey Hepburn's more dramatic performance with slightly
    subter comedy than the stage performances, and I think I prefer it. One
    revival I attended, I didn't care for the actress playing Eliza at all,
    who winked at the audience at one point, They didn't have the budget for >> a full pit orchestra so they hired an arranger/pianist who arranged the
    score for two pianos. The arrangement was excellent and I complimented
    him after the show.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's >> >voice until it suited them.

    Live theater will be holograms on stage, too. No one will be able to tell.

    We're losing something, though. I know less about theater, but with live >music, it speaks to deep parts of our brains and we physiologically sync >with the performers. Holograms won't have that effect, no matter how
    well programmed they are.

    We don't have to lose it. It's up to audiences to support live,
    unadulterated performances.

    Otherwise we'll be discussing these music at first reaction videos
    featuring two kids who had no idea music was once performed without
    being computer generated.

    There are already young adults who think it's naive to expect genuine
    live music at music events. They see prerecorded vocals, maybe an entire prerecorded show, as normal.

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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 09:08:10 2026
    On 2026-05-28 13:16:11 +0000, The True Melissa said:
    Verily, in article <10v8sak$3a5o1$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My
    Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey
    Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given
    her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub
    her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think
    it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great
    as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's
    voice until it suited them.

    There was an episode (probably an old one) of the UK quiz show "The
    Chase" we watched this week where the question was along the lines of
    "Which actor in the Sound of Music did Bill Lee do the singing voice
    for?" ... and the contestant's answer was "Julie Andrews", which caused
    some funny responses from teh host and the 'Chaser'.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 22:25:39 2026
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    There was an episode (probably an old one) of the UK quiz show "The
    Chase" we watched this week where the question was along the lines of
    "Which actor in the Sound of Music did Bill Lee do the singing voice
    for?" ... and the contestant's answer was "Julie Andrews", which caused
    some funny responses from teh host and the 'Chaser'.

    I would have said he sang "Edelweiss" for Captain von Trapp only because
    I don't recall if the Hitler youth did his own singing in the "Going on Seventeen" duet with Liesl. Christopher Plummer didn't sing. "Edelweiss"
    was written for Theodore Bikel to sing so he could have a solo and was
    the last song Oscar Hammerstein would compose lyrics for.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 18:40:44 2026
    On 2026-05-28 3:39 p.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9v8s$3jrc3$3@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9o5q$3hlon$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did ahk@chinet.com deliver unto us this message:

    This video compares "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" from Lerner and Loewe's My >>>>>> Fair Lady as sung by Julie Andrews on stage, Marni Nixon dubbing Audrey >>>>>> Hepburn on the movie soundtrack, and Audrey herself, as they had given >>>>>> her several weeks of singing rehearsal even though they intended to dub >>>>>> her all along.

    She didn't have a big range and the voice was a touch thin but I think >>>>>> it works for this song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbRG5pYSFy4

    No one could ever top Julie Andrews, but Marni Nixon is certainly great >>>>> as well. Audrey Hepburn isn't bad at all; she's on key and gets a few >>>>> flourishes in. She also delivers the heck out it, which matters.

    I have no idea where the clip of Julie Andrews came from. I would love >>>> to see film of the original cast on stage. I have seen bits of Julie
    Andrews' performance over the years, and I've attended revivals of the >>>> show. On stage, Eliza is performed more broadly versus the movie. I am >>>> quite used to Audrey Hepburn's more dramatic performance with slightly >>>> subter comedy than the stage performances, and I think I prefer it. One >>>> revival I attended, I didn't care for the actress playing Eliza at all, >>>> who winked at the audience at one point, They didn't have the budget for >>>> a full pit orchestra so they hired an arranger/pianist who arranged the >>>> score for two pianos. The arrangement was excellent and I complimented >>>> him after the show.

    Today, they wouldn't even consider a dub. They'd just process Hepburn's >>>>> voice until it suited them.

    Live theater will be holograms on stage, too. No one will be able to tell. >>>
    We're losing something, though. I know less about theater, but with live >>> music, it speaks to deep parts of our brains and we physiologically sync >>> with the performers. Holograms won't have that effect, no matter how
    well programmed they are.

    We don't have to lose it. It's up to audiences to support live,
    unadulterated performances.

    Otherwise we'll be discussing these music at first reaction videos
    featuring two kids who had no idea music was once performed without
    being computer generated.

    There are already young adults who think it's naive to expect genuine
    live music at music events. They see prerecorded vocals, maybe an entire prerecorded show, as normal.

    Didn't some Big Name get herself into trouble a year or two back because
    some of her vocal performance was pre-recorded and she was caught lip-synching? Taylor Swift or someone of that ilk?

    That kind of thing started long ago but I find it distasteful. I
    remember seeing Tears for Fears in Toronto the very day that Nelson
    Mandela got released from prison - they made a point of sharing the news
    with the audience - and despite having a solid 10 musicians on stage,
    one particular guitar solo caught my ear and I zoomed my binos in on the
    stage to see which guitarist of the two was playing it. I soon realized
    it was NEITHER: the solo was pre-recorded. I have to say I felt a little cheated; it felt like a dirty trick. I thought I'd paid for a live performance.

    I don't know why they pre-recorded that solo. Perhaps it was really
    REALLY hard and the guitarist couldn't reliably recreate it on a
    consistent basis. Maybe there was yet another musician who should have
    been on stage who normally played it but was out sick that night and
    they happened to have a recording that they could trigger at the right
    time. But that happened over 30 years ago.

    I also saw classical guitarist Liona Boyd do a show with a second
    guitarist on stage AND a laptop that they played along with. Back in the
    day, she would never have had a second guitarist on stage (unless it was
    a concert of guitar duets) but I knew she'd had some kind of serious
    physical issue that kept her from being able to play as well as she one
    had. I figured the second guitarist was there to play the bits she
    couldn't do any more to keep from adulterating the piece. But having
    them play along to a laptop containing pre-recorded music struck me as
    too much. That incident was more recent, more like 15 years ago.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 18:57:46 2026
    On 2026-05-28 6:25 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    There was an episode (probably an old one) of the UK quiz show "The
    Chase" we watched this week where the question was along the lines of
    "Which actor in the Sound of Music did Bill Lee do the singing voice
    for?" ... and the contestant's answer was "Julie Andrews", which caused
    some funny responses from teh host and the 'Chaser'.

    I would have said he sang "Edelweiss" for Captain von Trapp only because
    I don't recall if the Hitler youth did his own singing in the "Going on Seventeen" duet with Liesl. Christopher Plummer didn't sing. "Edelweiss"
    was written for Theodore Bikel to sing so he could have a solo and was
    the last song Oscar Hammerstein would compose lyrics for.

    I only learned through this newsgroup that Edelweiss was composed for
    the Sound of Music; I'd always assumed it was a traditional folk song of
    the Alps.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Thu May 28 22:58:14 2026
    On May 28, 2026 at 3:40:44 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-05-28 3:39 p.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9v8s$3jrc3$3@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10v9o5q$3hlon$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com >>>> deliver unto us this message:

    We don't have to lose it. It's up to audiences to support live,
    unadulterated performances.

    Otherwise we'll be discussing these music at first reaction videos
    featuring two kids who had no idea music was once performed without
    being computer generated.

    There are already young adults who think it's naive to expect genuine
    live music at music events. They see prerecorded vocals, maybe an entire
    prerecorded show, as normal.

    Didn't some Big Name get herself into trouble a year or two back because some of her vocal performance was pre-recorded and she was caught lip-synching? Taylor Swift or someone of that ilk?

    The problem is a lot of these performers feel the need to turn their concerts into some kind of circus extravaganza where they're leaping around the stage doing somersaults and gymnastics and the sort of thing that would give an Olympic athlete a decent workout. Kudos to them for being able to do it and some of these shows really are amazing when combined with all the SFX and
    stage illusions. I was dragged to a Jennifer Lopez concert in Vegas and ended up thoroughly enjoying the show despite not being the biggest fan of her
    music.

    But all that comes at a cost. You can't sing in any kind of acceptable manner when you're huffing and puffing and out of breath from the 2-hour intensely physical workout you're in the midst of. Which is why a lot of these
    performers use pre-recorded music.

    I don't have a problem with it as long as everyone knows up front what the
    deal is. If some of the concert is lip-synched, then that should be made clear when the tickets are sold and people who don't want to pay for that can
    decline the sale.



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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 00:09:18 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-05-28 6:25 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    There was an episode (probably an old one) of the UK quiz show "The >>>Chase" we watched this week where the question was along the lines of >>>"Which actor in the Sound of Music did Bill Lee do the singing voice >>>for?" ... and the contestant's answer was "Julie Andrews", which caused >>>some funny responses from teh host and the 'Chaser'.

    I would have said he sang "Edelweiss" for Captain von Trapp only because
    I don't recall if the Hitler youth did his own singing in the "Going on >>Seventeen" duet with Liesl. Christopher Plummer didn't sing. "Edelweiss" >>was written for Theodore Bikel to sing so he could have a solo and was
    the last song Oscar Hammerstein would compose lyrics for.

    I only learned through this newsgroup that Edelweiss was composed for
    the Sound of Music; I'd always assumed it was a traditional folk song of
    the Alps.

    Heh. Rogers and Hammerstein sure made it sound like folks had been
    singing it for a century and a half. In reality, it was a late addition
    to the show.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 07:18:53 2026
    Verily, in article <10vag9c$3gjor$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    On 2026-05-28 3:39 p.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    There are already young adults who think it's naive to expect genuine
    live music at music events. They see prerecorded vocals, maybe an entire prerecorded show, as normal.

    Didn't some Big Name get herself into trouble a year or two back because some of her vocal performance was pre-recorded and she was caught lip-synching? Taylor Swift or someone of that ilk?


    It's become common. Taylor Swift is one of many who uses prerecorded
    tracks. I watched a Wings of Pegasus on this. The entire show isn't
    fake, but some of the lead vocals and some other bits are prerecorded.

    Once upon a time, Milli Vanilli got cancelled and Ashlee Simpson got in trouble. Now, it's normal.

    Then again, there were aggravating circumstances in both cases. Milli
    Vanilli were complete frauds who couldn't sing, and Ashlee Simpson had
    just publically boasted that she didn't need to use tapes because she
    had real talent. Subtle tape use may have been common then, too.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 07:23:24 2026
    Verily, in article <10vag9c$3gjor$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    I don't know why they pre-recorded that solo. Perhaps it was really
    REALLY hard and the guitarist couldn't reliably recreate it on a
    consistent basis. Maybe there was yet another musician who should have
    been on stage who normally played it but was out sick that night and
    they happened to have a recording that they could trigger at the right
    time. But that happened over 30 years ago.

    Take heart. In that era, it could also have been a wingman -- an
    additional musician who's not on stage.

    I also saw classical guitarist Liona Boyd do a show with a second
    guitarist on stage AND a laptop that they played along with. Back in the day, she would never have had a second guitarist on stage (unless it was
    a concert of guitar duets) but I knew she'd had some kind of serious physical issue that kept her from being able to play as well as she one
    had. I figured the second guitarist was there to play the bits she
    couldn't do any more to keep from adulterating the piece. But having
    them play along to a laptop containing pre-recorded music struck me as
    too much. That incident was more recent, more like 15 years ago.

    Hmm. Well, at least you know what you're getting. She's not faking
    anything.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 17:23:44 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    I don't know why they pre-recorded that solo. Perhaps it was really
    REALLY hard and the guitarist couldn't reliably recreate it on a >>consistent basis. Maybe there was yet another musician who should have >>been on stage who normally played it but was out sick that night and
    they happened to have a recording that they could trigger at the right >>time. But that happened over 30 years ago.

    Take heart. In that era, it could also have been a wingman -- an
    additional musician who's not on stage.

    Tbey weren't necessarily pretending otherwise! In West Side Story,
    after the crisis of the second act, the two lovers perform to
    "Somewhere". Leonard Bernstein wanted a song at this point; Jerome
    Robbins wanted a ballet. The compromise was that the couple would dance
    (with other couples dancing) with the song sung by a female vocalist from
    the wings.

    To BTR1701's point that you can't do two things at once, that's just how
    things get staged.

    If you wamt a minimal performance without pyrotechnics, go to a club.

    . . .

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 14:13:29 2026
    On 2026-05-29 7:23 a.m., The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10vag9c$3gjor$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:

    I don't know why they pre-recorded that solo. Perhaps it was really
    REALLY hard and the guitarist couldn't reliably recreate it on a
    consistent basis. Maybe there was yet another musician who should have
    been on stage who normally played it but was out sick that night and
    they happened to have a recording that they could trigger at the right
    time. But that happened over 30 years ago.

    Take heart. In that era, it could also have been a wingman -- an
    additional musician who's not on stage.

    You might be right. It's the only time I ever saw Tears for Fears live
    and I don't know much about their touring/performing philosophy.

    I remember reading that Yes used an offstage keyboardist named Igor
    Korosho (sp?) on one tour to supplement the onstage keyboardist. I never
    heard an explanation for why they didn't have them both onstage.


    I also saw classical guitarist Liona Boyd do a show with a second
    guitarist on stage AND a laptop that they played along with. Back in the
    day, she would never have had a second guitarist on stage (unless it was
    a concert of guitar duets) but I knew she'd had some kind of serious
    physical issue that kept her from being able to play as well as she one
    had. I figured the second guitarist was there to play the bits she
    couldn't do any more to keep from adulterating the piece. But having
    them play along to a laptop containing pre-recorded music struck me as
    too much. That incident was more recent, more like 15 years ago.

    Hmm. Well, at least you know what you're getting. She's not faking
    anything.



    --
    Rhino

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Fri May 29 14:54:06 2026
    Verily, in article <10vcl0a$b44m$1@dont-email.me>, did no_offline_contact@example.com deliver unto us this message:
    You might be right. It's the only time I ever saw Tears for Fears live
    and I don't know much about their touring/performing philosophy.

    Me neither.

    I remember reading that Yes used an offstage keyboardist named Igor
    Korosho (sp?) on one tour to supplement the onstage keyboardist. I never heard an explanation for why they didn't have them both onstage.

    I've heard some musicians say that they like this arrangement. They
    still get paid, but they can turn up in sweatpants and skip the
    afterparty.

    I have no idea how bands decided whether they'd use sidemen or wingmen.
    It's probably mostly recordings now, though. Too bad.


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  • From Nil@3:633/10 to All on Sat May 30 16:20:14 2026
    On 28 May 2026, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote in
    rec.arts.tv:

    Didn't some Big Name get herself into trouble a year or two back
    because some of her vocal performance was pre-recorded and she was
    caught lip-synching? Taylor Swift or someone of that ilk?

    It could have been a number of people, but you may be thinking of
    Celine Dion at the 2024 Paris Olympics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxsaRHi82A

    This kind of spectacle event is maybe in a slightly different category
    than finding out that a concert performer is miming to a track or is auto-tuned in real time. But people have come to expect inhuman,
    robotic levels of perfection.

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