BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 14, 2026 10:25:55 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yrVL9uEYPmo

Hahahaha!

Ir's actualt not funny at all. A comedian, a UK national but living in
the United States, was met by 5 armed officers at Heathrow, taken into
custody for 3 tweets on X. The "crime" ended up being recorded as a
noncrime but he was still subject to bond conditions including that he
was not allowed to tweet. If it was recorded as a noncrime, how the hell
was he being prosecuted?

This was AFTER the Law Lods (their Supreme Court) pronounced the law
that one could not be prosecuted for expressing opinions. This was one
of three situations in which the Met made noncrime criminal arrests
AFTER the decision and before the Met finally said they'd stop doing it.

It gets worse. While in police custody his blood pressure spiked to
dangerously high levels that he was taken to hospital. The Met had the
nerve to announce it wasn't life threatening.

The video doesn't say where he was when he made the tweets, but as
Heathrow receives international flights, I'm guessing possibly the
United States.

BlackBelt Barrister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnVM3TisUk

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On 2026-07-12 2:11 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 14, 2026 10:25:55 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yrVL9uEYPmo

Hahahaha!

Ir's actualt not funny at all. A comedian, a UK national but living in
the United States, was met by 5 armed officers at Heathrow, taken into custody for 3 tweets on X. The "crime" ended up being recorded as a
noncrime but he was still subject to bond conditions including that he
was not allowed to tweet. If it was recorded as a noncrime, how the hell
was he being prosecuted?

This was AFTER the Law Lods (their Supreme Court) pronounced the law
that one could not be prosecuted for expressing opinions. This was one
of three situations in which the Met made noncrime criminal arrests
AFTER the decision and before the Met finally said they'd stop doing it.

It gets worse. While in police custody his blood pressure spiked to dangerously high levels that he was taken to hospital. The Met had the
nerve to announce it wasn't life threatening.

The video doesn't say where he was when he made the tweets, but as
Heathrow receives international flights, I'm guessing possibly the
United States.

BlackBelt Barrister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnVM3TisUk

You're talking about Graham Linehan who has a strong TV connection as
the co-creator of Father Ted and a writer on another comedy, both of
which are likely to be unfamiliar to North American audiences.

You are mistaken to talk about the Law Lords the way you did. The House
of Lords *was* the highest court in the UK for a very long time but they created an actual Supreme Court a few years back. I've seen it mentioned
by that name in various videos in the past year or two.

Also, Linehan sued the police over his treatment and received TWO very
public apologies and a settlement of 25,000 pounds, which will hopefully discourage such mistreatment by the police in the future.

It should also be mentioned that unlike the vast majority of the UK,
police at airports are very frequently armed due to the risk of
terrorist incidents; it's *possible* they simply didn't have any unarmed officers handy to stop Linehan although it absolutely makes no sense
that they'd need FIVE officers, let alone five armed officers, to talk
to him about some mean tweets. That just seems like pure intimidation
tactics. (Mind you, having recently watched a lot of police bodycam
videos, it has become clear to me that putting handcuffs on someone who
is resisting is almost always a job that requires multiple officers,
even when the suspect is NOT built like a linebacker. That's something
cop shows frequently overlook. If the police had orders to cuff Linehan,
I can see why they might need multiple officers but five still seems excessive.)


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On Jul 11, 2026 at 11:11:57 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 14, 2026 10:25:55 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yrVL9uEYPmo

Hahahaha!

Ir's actualt not funny at all. A comedian, a UK national but living in
the United States, was met by 5 armed officers at Heathrow, taken into custody for 3 tweets on X. The "crime" ended up being recorded as a
noncrime but he was still subject to bond conditions including that he
was not allowed to tweet. If it was recorded as a noncrime, how the hell
was he being prosecuted?

This was AFTER the Law Lods (their Supreme Court) pronounced the law
that one could not be prosecuted for expressing opinions. This was one
of three situations in which the Met made noncrime criminal arrests
AFTER the decision and before the Met finally said they'd stop doing it.

It gets worse. While in police custody his blood pressure spiked to dangerously high levels that he was taken to hospital. The Met had the
nerve to announce it wasn't life threatening.

The video doesn't say where he was when he made the tweets, but as
Heathrow receives international flights, I'm guessing possibly the
United States.

BlackBelt Barrister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnVM3TisUk

Sure, if you're a UK citizen, they can get you when you return to the UK. They arrested a UK citizen who went on vacation to Florida and shot guns at a range while he was there. He posted video of it on Instagram and they were waiting for him when he got off the plane on his return. Apparently it's not only illegal to possess a gun in the UK, it's illegal to touch one anywhere in the world. The UK is an oppressive authoritarian state now, at least for white people, no question about it, but despite their claims and desires, they have no authority over the rest of us out here in the wider world.

I can say whatever I want here in California with no fear whatsoever of a
knock on the door from Scotland Yard with and arrest warrant for me.

Gavin might try to have me arrested for talking about all the fraud he and his fellow Democrats are up to, but the YooKay? Puh-leese.



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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

. . .

You are mistaken to talk about the Law Lords the way you did. The House
of Lords *was* the highest court in the UK for a very long time but they >created an actual Supreme Court a few years back. I've seen it mentioned
by that name in various videos in the past year or two.

You're right. There was nothing wrong with the old system. The Law Lords were exclusively appellate judges during their appointment and had no
legislative duties. They were specifically learned in the law. When the appointment ended, they could resume their legislative duties.

I looked up the date. They last sat July 30, 2009.

As the current Supreme Court members are not Lords, they have no
legislative duties to return to when their terms end.

They lack appellate jurisdiction over Scotland.

Also, Linehan sued the police over his treatment and received TWO very >public apologies and a settlement of 25,000 pounds, which will hopefully >discourage such mistreatment by the police in the future.

There is no sound basis for your assumption. The police clearly don't
care how many times they get publicly excoriated for making arrests for
what, even in the UK, is free expression protected in statutory law. The
point of the video was that it was the third time the Met lost a civil
judgment since the appellate decision, which literally should have put a
stop to the nonsense. It did not.

In the UK, the police have zero respect for what liberty is provided in statutory law. It will continue to happen till police services in the
Home Office get a thorough cleaning top to bottm and all working police officers get retrained so they clearly understand that they are to
investigate, I dunno, crime, and to stop harassing anyone at all over publishing on line and ordinary speech.

It should also be mentioned that unlike the vast majority of the UK,
police at airports are very frequently armed

That was explicitly stated in the video. Still doesn't explain why it
took such a large number to subdue a middle-aged man.

. . .

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On 2026-07-12 2:20 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Jul 11, 2026 at 11:11:57 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 14, 2026 10:25:55 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yrVL9uEYPmo

Hahahaha!

Ir's actualt not funny at all. A comedian, a UK national but living in
the United States, was met by 5 armed officers at Heathrow, taken into
custody for 3 tweets on X. The "crime" ended up being recorded as a
noncrime but he was still subject to bond conditions including that he
was not allowed to tweet. If it was recorded as a noncrime, how the hell
was he being prosecuted?

This was AFTER the Law Lods (their Supreme Court) pronounced the law
that one could not be prosecuted for expressing opinions. This was one
of three situations in which the Met made noncrime criminal arrests
AFTER the decision and before the Met finally said they'd stop doing it.

It gets worse. While in police custody his blood pressure spiked to
dangerously high levels that he was taken to hospital. The Met had the
nerve to announce it wasn't life threatening.

The video doesn't say where he was when he made the tweets, but as
Heathrow receives international flights, I'm guessing possibly the
United States.

BlackBelt Barrister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnVM3TisUk

Sure, if you're a UK citizen, they can get you when you return to the UK. They
arrested a UK citizen who went on vacation to Florida and shot guns at a range
while he was there. He posted video of it on Instagram and they were waiting for him when he got off the plane on his return. Apparently it's not only illegal to possess a gun in the UK, it's illegal to touch one anywhere in the world. The UK is an oppressive authoritarian state now, at least for white people, no question about it, but despite their claims and desires, they have no authority over the rest of us out here in the wider world.

I can say whatever I want here in California with no fear whatsoever of a knock on the door from Scotland Yard with and arrest warrant for me.

Gavin might try to have me arrested for talking about all the fraud he and his
fellow Democrats are up to, but the YooKay? Puh-leese.

I wouldn't have believed that any country could have police stations
outside of their own country but China did it. There was a lot of noise
about that when it was revealed but I haven't heard much since then so
it's not clear if those have all been shut down or if the Chinese
"police" have just gotten a bit quieter about their activities.

As for California, didn't you say that Cali has enacted legislation
entitling them to tax your income even if you move to another state and
for at least 10 years? That utterly boggles my mind. Or was that only
proposed legislation that got shut down?

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

. . .

As for California, didn't you say that Cali has enacted legislation >entitling them to tax your income even if you move to another state and
for at least 10 years? That utterly boggles my mind. Or was that only >proposed legislation that got shut down?

A state may tax income if it asserts "nexus" and a federal court doesn't
say it's unconstitutional.

Income received in retirement is deferred compensation. To the extent a
worker contributed to a retirement fund, he did so with pre-tax income.

On the job, one's compensation in the weekly paycheck is "earned", which
means it is subject to withholding for income tax purposes and Social
Security program "contributions" through payoroll taxes. Some Social
Security taxes are paid by both emplyee and employer, others just by the employer. The "contributions" paid as payroll tax by the employee are
post tax but the part paid by the employer is pre-tax. This is why a
Social Security old-age pension benefit is partially taxed when
received. Unemployment benefits can also be subject to income taxes.
Medicare and private health insurance benefits generally are not taxed, depending on what is a covered benefit in tax law.

Note that Social Security benefits, pension benefits, and retirement
account distributions, when received, are ordinary income that is NOT
subject to Social Security taxes because it is not defined as "earned
income".

California asserts nexus because the work was performed in California
even though the retiree no longer lives in California. The same ordinary
income is also subject to tax by the state in which the employee lives.
There may or may not be a credit for taxes paid to the foreign state.
That is entirely up to the state's revenue code. It is also subject to
federal income taxes, even if the retiree no longer lives in the United
States as there is taxation upon worldwide income.

If one accepts income taxation as fair then I don't see what the
objection is. The tax power at both the state and federal level is
limited only by their respective constitutions.

Why is your mind boggled? It's taxation. It has nothing to do with
equity, fairness, unintended consequences, linking costs and benefits,
or logic of any kind. Sometimes bookkeeping rules don't apply. It's
statutory compliance, nothing else.

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On 2026-07-12 5:33 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

. . .

As for California, didn't you say that Cali has enacted legislation
entitling them to tax your income even if you move to another state and
for at least 10 years? That utterly boggles my mind. Or was that only
proposed legislation that got shut down?

A state may tax income if it asserts "nexus" and a federal court doesn't
say it's unconstitutional.

Income received in retirement is deferred compensation. To the extent a worker contributed to a retirement fund, he did so with pre-tax income.

On the job, one's compensation in the weekly paycheck is "earned", which means it is subject to withholding for income tax purposes and Social Security program "contributions" through payoroll taxes. Some Social
Security taxes are paid by both emplyee and employer, others just by the employer. The "contributions" paid as payroll tax by the employee are
post tax but the part paid by the employer is pre-tax. This is why a
Social Security old-age pension benefit is partially taxed when
received. Unemployment benefits can also be subject to income taxes.
Medicare and private health insurance benefits generally are not taxed, depending on what is a covered benefit in tax law.

Note that Social Security benefits, pension benefits, and retirement
account distributions, when received, are ordinary income that is NOT
subject to Social Security taxes because it is not defined as "earned income".

California asserts nexus because the work was performed in California
even though the retiree no longer lives in California. The same ordinary income is also subject to tax by the state in which the employee lives.
There may or may not be a credit for taxes paid to the foreign state.
That is entirely up to the state's revenue code. It is also subject to federal income taxes, even if the retiree no longer lives in the United States as there is taxation upon worldwide income.

If one accepts income taxation as fair then I don't see what the
objection is. The tax power at both the state and federal level is
limited only by their respective constitutions.

Why is your mind boggled? It's taxation. It has nothing to do with
equity, fairness, unintended consequences, linking costs and benefits,
or logic of any kind. Sometimes bookkeeping rules don't apply. It's
statutory compliance, nothing else.

My mind is boggled because I assumed the income that was being taxed was employment income. In other words, I had a mental picture of Joe Blow
working for some company in California, leaving for another state to
take a better job, and still having to pay income tax to California
despite neither working or living there any more. I had NOT pictured retirement income like pensions that was based on income earned in
California. Taxing *that* might be a little fairer but as you've said,
there's nothing about taxes that are fair. Taxes are whatever you can
persuade the legislature to levy. While I may recoil at that morally, as
a matter of pragmatism it is true.

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On Jul 12, 2026 at 1:45:54 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2026-07-12 2:20 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Jul 11, 2026 at 11:11:57 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 14, 2026 10:25:55 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yrVL9uEYPmo

Hahahaha!

Ir's actualt not funny at all. A comedian, a UK national but living in
the United States, was met by 5 armed officers at Heathrow, taken into
custody for 3 tweets on X. The "crime" ended up being recorded as a
noncrime but he was still subject to bond conditions including that he
was not allowed to tweet. If it was recorded as a noncrime, how the hell >>> was he being prosecuted?

This was AFTER the Law Lods (their Supreme Court) pronounced the law
that one could not be prosecuted for expressing opinions. This was one
of three situations in which the Met made noncrime criminal arrests
AFTER the decision and before the Met finally said they'd stop doing it. >>>
It gets worse. While in police custody his blood pressure spiked to
dangerously high levels that he was taken to hospital. The Met had the
nerve to announce it wasn't life threatening.

The video doesn't say where he was when he made the tweets, but as
Heathrow receives international flights, I'm guessing possibly the
United States.

BlackBelt Barrister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojnVM3TisUk

Sure, if you're a UK citizen, they can get you when you return to the UK. >> They
arrested a UK citizen who went on vacation to Florida and shot guns at a
range
while he was there. He posted video of it on Instagram and they were waiting
for him when he got off the plane on his return. Apparently it's not only >> illegal to possess a gun in the UK, it's illegal to touch one anywhere in >> the
world. The UK is an oppressive authoritarian state now, at least for white >> people, no question about it, but despite their claims and desires, they
have
no authority over the rest of us out here in the wider world.

I can say whatever I want here in California with no fear whatsoever of a >> knock on the door from Scotland Yard with and arrest warrant for me.

Gavin might try to have me arrested for talking about all the fraud he and >> his
fellow Democrats are up to, but the YooKay? Puh-leese.

I wouldn't have believed that any country could have police stations
outside of their own country but China did it. There was a lot of noise about that when it was revealed but I haven't heard much since then so
it's not clear if those have all been shut down or if the Chinese
"police" have just gotten a bit quieter about their activities.

As for California, didn't you say that Cali has enacted legislation entitling them to tax your income even if you move to another state and
for at least 10 years? That utterly boggles my mind. Or was that only proposed legislation that got shut down?

Proposed. Never got passed.



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BlackBelt Barrister attempts to explain why the UK does not have
universal jurisidction over speech because of the First Amendment and
lack of parallel laws in the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vdq85S9-Rs

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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BlackBelt Barrister attempts to explain why the UK does not have
universal jurisidction over speech because of the First Amendment and
lack of parallel laws in the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vdq85S9-Rs

Not to mention ways, and means in the sovereign state of Hawaii.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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