• Re: Chicago Teacher Loses Job for Being Pro ICE

    From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jul 13 17:02:16 2026
    On Feb 16, 2026 at 11:49:29 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Adam H. Kerman
    BTR1701

    How is that even remotely legal? The government is now telling its
    employees
    that they can only express their political opinions in public if they
    support
    the government's views?

    Was this on his private social media page or one accessible to students?

    If the latter, then he was posting "on the clock" as it were and would be subject
    his employer's rules.

    That's ridiculous. One is not "on the clock" when posting on a personal social media platform off school grounds and after school hours just because a
    student can access the feed.

    And it's irrelevant anyway. Other teachers were allowed to post anti-ICE views "on the clock" without repercussion. It's the content-based discrimination that's the 1st Amendment violation here.



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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jul 13 17:08:36 2026
    On Feb 15, 2026 at 6:40:42 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 01:24:08 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Feb 15, 2026 at 4:56:31 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 00:11:20 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    These protocol-communist teachers are allowed to tweet and protest and >>>> scream
    obscenities at and about the police all day, they can even put anti-ICE >>>> propaganda on the walls of their classroom, but one teacher takes the >>>> opposite
    viewpoint and he loses his job.

    How is that even remotely legal? The government is now telling its employees
    that they can only express their political opinions in public if they >>>> support
    the government's views?

    I don't know the rules in IL. but if it's a right to work state (what
    a name) there's nothing illegal about it. Though I suppose the union
    could fight it but probably won't.

    When the employer is the government, the 1st Amendment becomes involved.

    But the claim won't have anything to do with what he said. Just the
    community reaction which they will claim something like it is creating
    a hostile work environment and a distraction from their mission of
    teaching the students. Likely unjustified but an easy work around to
    get rid of the teacher.

    Which will only result in a big cash award for the teacher. I don't know why a district would consider throwing a significant chunk of their yearly budget away on a lawsuit settlement to be the 'easy' way to deal with this. Anyone
    who treats taxpayer money so cavalierly should be immediately removed from their job.

    Either prohibit political activism for all school staff or allow it
    regardless of opinion. Can't have it both ways. Not legally, anyway.
    Heidorn should
    contact FIRE or the IFF, see if they will take his case. I'd say the ACLU,
    but they rarely take a case these days if the client isn't a far-left >>>> 'progressive'.

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    https://nypost.com/2026/02/15/us-news/james-heidorn-speaks-out-after-losing-career-over-two-word-online-post/

    A veteran Chicago-area gym teacher was pushed out of his job over a two-word
    social-media post in support of ICE and calls the experience devastating and
    surreal.

    To be clear it wasn't the post. It was the community reaction to the
    post that got him fired. Which is certainly unfair

    Not just unfair, it's what the Supreme Court calls a heckler's veto and has >> been very clear that it's not a valid excuse for government suppression or >> punishment of speech.

    Doesn't stop them from doing it and by the time it gets resolved in a
    court everyone will have moved on.

    And the district will be considerably poorer as a result. And perhaps as part of the settlement negotiations, the teacher demands that the school principal and any other district staff that had a hand in firing him be themselves fired as an object lesson as to what happens to managers who violate the constitutional rights of the employees.

    if that is all he
    did, but also understandable as I'm sure the school just wanted the
    controversy gone and this was the quickest solution.

    Too bad. The 1st Amendment's protections do not wax and wane based on what is
    convenient for government administrators.

    James Heidorn, a "beloved" longtime educator at Gary Elementary School in >>>> West
    Chicago, came under heavy fire by hysterical community activists and local
    lawmakers when he wrote "GO ICE" on Facebook last month in response to a >>>> news
    story about local cops pledging to cooperate with immigration enforcement.

    "This process has been professionally and personally devastating and
    surreal,"
    Heidorn told Fox News Digital on Sunday. "I've spent 14 years building my >>>> career, pouring my heart into teaching kids, building relationships and >>>> being
    a positive role model. To see it all upended over two simple words where I
    expressed my personal support for law enforcement felt like a severe blow to
    my career."

    He was also clearly oblivious to where he lived/taught and how people
    are reacting to any mention of ICE. Of course a Hispanic community
    would react badly to saying such a thing.

    Again, such things are not even a part of the legal analysis. Heckler's vetos
    are not a valid reason for government punishment of speech. Among other
    things, that leads to exactly this situation, where only one side of an issue
    is allowed to speak freely.

    But by the time those legal issues are resolved it won't matter. I
    mean maybe the teacher will win some money but he will have gotten
    another job, likely in more friendly state to his view on ICE. Instead
    of being able to go back to his job at the school where he had made
    all of those connections. It's the sad fact that our legal system
    always moves slowly.

    People who sue over stuff like this often have reinstatement and back pay as a condition of settlement, so no, it's not a forgone conclusion that it won't matter.



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