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    From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 14 09:36:59 2026
    I read this article about a dinner party and was immensely proud of the
    writer for his powerful defence of his position in the face of so much
    sheer but stubborn ignorance about Israel:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/moralclaritynewsletter/p/the-people-who-know-nothing-know?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7xsprv

    This seems like exactly the right way to respond to the sort of
    accusations people like this make. I'm amazed that he didn't leave long
    before he did or completely lose his cool; I don't think I could have
    kept as calm as he did and I'm not even Jewish.

    If this is what it has become like to be Jewish, I can well understand
    why some/many Jews are considering relocating to safer environs.

    I've really had my eyes opened to the enduring scourge of anti-semitism
    by Oct 7 and its aftermath. I genuinely thought that anti-semitism was confined to a smallish number of poorly-educated people but it has
    somehow been whipped up into a firestorm by an event that should have
    done a great deal to UNDERMINE anti-semitism. It must have been there, bubbling away, the entire time and only suppressed for a time because it
    was thought unfashionable. What a horrible thing to have to live with!

    --
    Rhino


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 14 17:08:35 2026
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I read this article about a dinner party and was immensely proud of the >writer for his powerful defence of his position in the face of so much
    sheer but stubborn ignorance about Israel:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/moralclaritynewsletter/p/the-people-who-know-nothing-know?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7xsprv

    He didn't win. No one listened to him. His evening was ruined and the
    sea bass went cold before he had eaten it. His hostess was exhibiting
    her one Israeli friend to her other friends, all of whom were shocked
    that he could make an argument.

    He sat there for hours being insulted by people who were willfully
    ignorant.

    This seems like exactly the right way to respond to the sort of
    accusations people like this make. I'm amazed that he didn't leave long >before he did or completely lose his cool; I don't think I could have
    kept as calm as he did and I'm not even Jewish.

    It's a little hard to believe that he thought the hostess was his friend
    before he received the invitation.

    If this is what it has become like to be Jewish, I can well understand
    why some/many Jews are considering relocating to safer environs.

    Where is there safety from STOOPID?

    I've really had my eyes opened to the enduring scourge of anti-semitism
    by Oct 7 and its aftermath. I genuinely thought that anti-semitism was >confined to a smallish number of poorly-educated people but it has
    somehow been whipped up into a firestorm by an event that should have
    done a great deal to UNDERMINE anti-semitism. It must have been there, >bubbling away, the entire time and only suppressed for a time because it
    was thought unfashionable. What a horrible thing to have to live with!

    I don't worry about it too much. Liberty doesn't mean freedom from
    opinion stated in ignorance, nor cold sea bass.

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 14 17:16:46 2026
    On 2026-07-14 1:08 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I read this article about a dinner party and was immensely proud of the
    writer for his powerful defence of his position in the face of so much
    sheer but stubborn ignorance about Israel:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/moralclaritynewsletter/p/the-people-who-know-nothing-know?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7xsprv

    He didn't win. No one listened to him. His evening was ruined and the
    sea bass went cold before he had eaten it. His hostess was exhibiting
    her one Israeli friend to her other friends, all of whom were shocked
    that he could make an argument.

    I agree: he didn't win unless one of them heard something in his words
    to make them start thinking for themselves. But I'm not holding my
    breath on that. They are the definition of blissful ignorance: they're
    so sure they have the right angle on things that they're unlikely to
    ever back away from it.

    He sat there for hours being insulted by people who were willfully
    ignorant.

    It was an utter waste of two hours for him, of that there is no doubt. I
    can't imagine how depressed that would make him; it's clear it made him
    angry.

    This seems like exactly the right way to respond to the sort of
    accusations people like this make. I'm amazed that he didn't leave long
    before he did or completely lose his cool; I don't think I could have
    kept as calm as he did and I'm not even Jewish.

    It's a little hard to believe that he thought the hostess was his friend before he received the invitation.

    When I read the article the first time, it felt almost too good to be
    true: they were ALL completely ignorant in every possible way. I found
    myself wondering if this was more in the nature of an imagined
    conversation. I could picture him being in such a situation and being so stunned that he just left immediately and then, in replaying the
    situation, picturing what he *should* have said, then writing it all
    down in that article. I'm sure we've all looked back at incidents and
    wished we'd said or done X instead of Y so maybe this is an expression
    of that. But even if it is, I don't care. We know that people DO say all
    those things and what he said is exactly what should have been said to
    such remarks.

    If this is what it has become like to be Jewish, I can well understand
    why some/many Jews are considering relocating to safer environs.

    Where is there safety from STOOPID?

    That's the worst part: this ignorance seems to be everywhere. The only
    country that seems immune to it is Israel itself. But it's a tiny
    country that's already crowded and is almost constantly under grave
    threats from most of its neighbours so that doesn't make it attractive
    as a refuge for many people.

    It used to be the Canada and the USA were safe for Jews but that seems
    to be withering away as so many people decide that the Palestinians are
    the righteous ones now, which boggles the mind. Meanwhile, we import
    large numbers of people who violently despise Jews....

    I've really had my eyes opened to the enduring scourge of anti-semitism
    by Oct 7 and its aftermath. I genuinely thought that anti-semitism was
    confined to a smallish number of poorly-educated people but it has
    somehow been whipped up into a firestorm by an event that should have
    done a great deal to UNDERMINE anti-semitism. It must have been there,
    bubbling away, the entire time and only suppressed for a time because it
    was thought unfashionable. What a horrible thing to have to live with!

    I don't worry about it too much. Liberty doesn't mean freedom from
    opinion stated in ignorance, nor cold sea bass.

    It saddens me that you have to live in this environment. This is why I
    avidly wish to see regime change in Iran. They are the ones that are the primary funders of Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. and with a new regime in
    power, those proxies may finally wither away into relative
    insignificance....

    The pendulum HAS to swing back towards sanity. It just has to!
    --
    Rhino

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Wed Jul 15 08:57:38 2026
    Verily, in article <1135qei$i8j9$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I read this article about a dinner party and was immensely proud of the >writer for his powerful defence of his position in the face of so much >sheer but stubborn ignorance about Israel:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/moralclaritynewsletter/p/the-people-who-know-nothing-know?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7xsprv

    He didn't win. No one listened to him. His evening was ruined and the
    sea bass went cold before he had eaten it. His hostess was exhibiting
    her one Israeli friend to her other friends, all of whom were shocked
    that he could make an argument.

    He sat there for hours being insulted by people who were willfully
    ignorant.


    I know what he means about fighting fog. There are so many people who
    argue with platitudes and emotions.

    # ?This is why these conversations are impossible. You keep retreating
    # into facts.?

    Nadia probably genuinely believes that the writer is being difficult by
    citing facts.



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