• Nolan?s Odyssey

    From D. Ray@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 00:25:52 2026
    The Odyssey was offensively bad. I?m not one to go crazy at seeing a black person in a movie, but this is just absurd, on par with the Broadway
    musical Hamilton where all the founding fathers are recast as gay Puerto Ricans.

    The ancient Greece of Christopher Nolan is 50% Anglo-Saxon, 25% Sub Saharan African, and 25% every other race (including Israelis, Chinese, South
    Asians, and Mesoamericans), but not one Italian, Iberian, Greek, Balkan or other Southern European actor. These people were at the center of these
    stories before whatever race the terrible and wooden Zendaya is was even invented.

    Already the film fails to immerse. This isn?t ancient Greece, it is 2026
    United States of America, and Nolan expects you to not be distracted by
    famous black rappers and h1b Indians serving as main characters in bronze
    age Greek armor.

    There were also no beautiful white women under 50 in the film. Whoever cast this film is making a political statement, they hate white women. Zendaya
    as Athena is insane. Helen of Detroit, the audience chuckled as she was presented on screen. We will need to invent a new unit of measurement to quantify the distracting amount of botox in Charlize Theron?s paralyzed
    face as she tries to portray Calypso the Nymph.

    Reviewers were claiming the ?Elliot Page? character was only briefly on
    screen. This is not true. Page the laboratory dr frankenstein creation is
    in multiple scenes seeking to evoke great tragedy and demonstrate warrior solidarity between Odysseus and his men. This is totally ruined by the fact that the Greek warrior we are expected to mourn is a F to M transsexual who
    at once looks like a 3rd grader at their first communion while also
    suffering from Benjamin Button?s reverse aging. The real message Nolan is trying to convey is that Robert Pattinson?s 1 dimensional 80s high school
    jock trope portrayal of Antinous is bullying Page (he breaks the 4th wall
    and wants you to assume for being transsexual) and deserves to die for
    that.

    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy gave
    this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it. This is a low IQ
    Marvel super hero movie made stroke the egos of Gen Z, who are demoralized watching the collapse of the multi racial American empire, not a tribute to
    the Western canon worth your time or your money.

    We will know in 2 weekends whether this movie will be a box office bomb. I think it will be, especially when Spider Man 12 comes out to compete for
    the same audience.

    I will say with confidence that this film is one of the worst atrocities
    ever committed to film and ought to be the end of Nolan?s career. I?m still
    in disbelief at what I just saw. Skip this movie.



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  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jul 20 20:18:36 2026
    On 2026-07-21 00:25:52 +0000, D. Ray said:

    The Odyssey was offensively bad. I?m not one to go crazy at seeing a black person in a movie, but this is just absurd, on par with the Broadway
    musical Hamilton where all the founding fathers are recast as gay Puerto Ricans.

    <eyeroll> Here we go again.


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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 01:45:27 2026
    On Jul 20, 2026 at 5:25:52 PM PDT, "D. Ray" <d@ray> wrote:

    Helen of Detroit...

    LOL! That's a good one. I'm stealing it.



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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 01:47:42 2026
    On Jul 20, 2026 at 6:18:36 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-07-21 00:25:52 +0000, D. Ray said:

    The Odyssey was offensively bad. I?m not one to go crazy at seeing a black >> person in a movie, but this is just absurd, on par with the Broadway
    musical Hamilton where all the founding fathers are recast as gay Puerto
    Ricans.

    <eyeroll> Here we go again.

    But it was so super-duper important that they not stray one whit from Polynesian culture when making MOANA that they had a whole team of cultural experts on set to make sure every little detail was culturally authentic.

    Culture only matters when it's not white.



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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Mon Jul 20 23:02:14 2026
    On 7/20/2026 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 20, 2026 at 6:18:36 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-07-21 00:25:52 +0000, D. Ray said:

    The Odyssey was offensively bad. I?m not one to go crazy at seeing a black
    person in a movie, but this is just absurd, on par with the Broadway
    musical Hamilton where all the founding fathers are recast as gay Puerto >>> Ricans.

    <eyeroll> Here we go again.

    But it was so super-duper important that they not stray one whit from Polynesian culture when making MOANA that they had a whole team of cultural experts on set to make sure every little detail was culturally authentic.

    Culture only matters when it's not white.

    In U.S. movies, I wouldn't think Greek culture is nearly as vulnerable
    to misrepresentation as (e.g.) Polynesian culture.



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  • From D. Ray@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 04:54:03 2026
    Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 7/20/26 5:25 PM, D. Ray wrote:
    The Odyssey was offensively bad. I?m not one to go crazy at seeing a black >> person in a movie, but this is just absurd, on par with the Broadway
    musical Hamilton where all the founding fathers are recast as gay Puerto
    Ricans.

    The ancient Greece of Christopher Nolan is 50% Anglo-Saxon, 25% Sub Saharan >> African, and 25% every other race (including Israelis, Chinese, South
    Asians, and Mesoamericans), but not one Italian, Iberian, Greek, Balkan or >> other Southern European actor.

    The Mediterranean without Mediterraneans, that's what
    Jew's want.

    The fact that there are NO Greek or Italian actors in any major roles in Nolan's ?Odyssey? can be contrasted with Konchalovsky's ?Odyssey??who had Italian-American Armand Assante playing Odysseus, British-Italian actress
    Greta Scacchi playing Penelope, Sweddish-Italian Isabella Rossellini
    playing Athena (and looking every inch the goddess she is supposed to
    be)?and best of all, Greek actress Irene Pappas as Odysseus? mother
    Anticleia.

    Pappas looms over the miniseries as the embodiment of Greekness, and her presence REALLY makes you believe you're experiencing something of the real thing. And her casting was a wonderful homage, since Pappas herself played Penelope in the 1968 Italian miniseries ?The Odyssey,? which is supposedly
    the most faithful to the source material. That alone shows the Russian Konchalovsky's respect not only for the material, but also for his
    cinematic predecessors.

    Nolan has none of that. This was not a retelling or reimagining?like
    Scott's ?Napoleon,? this was a deliberate desecration. He took Homer's
    epic and he wiped his ass with it, and all the Jewish elites praising it understand exactly that's what he did.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 09:34:15 2026
    Verily, in article <PUabbRhmorhbYyXjJjlOdUiFpmtBqdwT@news.usenet.farm>,
    did d@ray deliver unto us this message:
    This is totally ruined by the fact
    that the Greek warrior we are expected to mourn is a F to M transsexual who at once looks like a 3rd grader at their first communion while also
    suffering from Benjamin Button?s reverse aging.

    Testosterone is really, really hard on women. I saw an interview with a detransitioner, and she'd ended up with the worst of all worlds: the
    acne and cracking voice of a teenaged boy, the potbelly and receding
    hairline of a middle-aged man, the crackling dryness of an old woman,
    and still a few traits of the young woman she was underneath.

    She'd taken T for about five years, and even though she'd stopped, her
    health was permanently damaged. She didn't expect to live very long.


    The real message Nolan is
    trying to convey is that Robert Pattinson?s 1 dimensional 80s high school jock trope portrayal of Antinous is bullying Page (he breaks the 4th wall
    and wants you to assume for being transsexual) and deserves to die for
    that.

    That's disappointing. The Odyssey isn't supposed to be about high
    school. Then again, it already sounded doomed to be bad, so I'm not
    really surprised.

    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy
    gave this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it.

    There's only so much actors can do. At a certain point, it's really
    about saving the actor's own reputation from the movie's terrible buzz.


    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 10:57:08 2026
    On 7/21/2026 9:34 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <PUabbRhmorhbYyXjJjlOdUiFpmtBqdwT@news.usenet.farm>,
    did d@ray deliver unto us this message:
    This is totally ruined by the fact
    that the Greek warrior we are expected to mourn is a F to M transsexual who >> at once looks like a 3rd grader at their first communion while also
    suffering from Benjamin Button?s reverse aging.

    Testosterone is really, really hard on women. I saw an interview with a detransitioner, and she'd ended up with the worst of all worlds: the
    acne and cracking voice of a teenaged boy, the potbelly and receding
    hairline of a middle-aged man, the crackling dryness of an old woman,
    and still a few traits of the young woman she was underneath.

    She'd taken T for about five years, and even though she'd stopped, her
    health was permanently damaged. She didn't expect to live very long.


    The real message Nolan is
    trying to convey is that Robert Pattinson?s 1 dimensional 80s high school
    jock trope portrayal of Antinous is bullying Page (he breaks the 4th wall
    and wants you to assume for being transsexual) and deserves to die for
    that.

    That's disappointing. The Odyssey isn't supposed to be about high
    school. Then again, it already sounded doomed to be bad, so I'm not
    really surprised.

    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy
    gave this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it.

    There's only so much actors can do. At a certain point, it's really
    about saving the actor's own reputation from the movie's terrible buzz.

    Terrible buzz? It's got an 89 at Metacritic and 8.4 at IMDb. Though
    such numbers can never be definitive, they hardly suggest a borefest.



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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 12:10:53 2026
    Verily, in article <113o1c5$22ckt$2@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    On 7/21/2026 9:34 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy
    gave this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it.

    There's only so much actors can do. At a certain point, it's really
    about saving the actor's own reputation from the movie's terrible buzz.

    Terrible buzz? It's got an 89 at Metacritic and 8.4 at IMDb. Though
    such numbers can never be definitive, they hardly suggest a borefest.


    No, but big initial numbers are usual for a big release.

    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 16:36:42 2026
    On 7/21/2026 12:10 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <113o1c5$22ckt$2@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    On 7/21/2026 9:34 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy
    gave this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it.

    There's only so much actors can do. At a certain point, it's really
    about saving the actor's own reputation from the movie's terrible buzz.

    Terrible buzz? It's got an 89 at Metacritic and 8.4 at IMDb. Though
    such numbers can never be definitive, they hardly suggest a borefest.


    No, but big initial numbers are usual for a big release.

    I follow these particular numbers fairly regularly and, although IMDb's
    may indeed drop, it shouldn't be by but a couple of decimal points.

    Maybe I misunderstand what's meant by "terrible buzz". If it means
    "relative to the hoopla", then, yeah, this flick arrives bathed in every conceivable pretense (...like most Nolan offerings, imo). Still, I'd be
    very surprised to find it, say, un-recommendable...



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  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 16:00:34 2026
    On 2026-07-21 20:36:42 +0000, moviePig said:

    On 7/21/2026 12:10 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <113o1c5$22ckt$2@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    On 7/21/2026 9:34 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    The sole redeeming feature is Matt Damon?s performance. The poor guy >>>>> gave this awful script his all but still couldn?t save it.

    There's only so much actors can do. At a certain point, it's really
    about saving the actor's own reputation from the movie's terrible buzz. >>>
    Terrible buzz? It's got an 89 at Metacritic and 8.4 at IMDb. Though
    such numbers can never be definitive, they hardly suggest a borefest.


    No, but big initial numbers are usual for a big release.

    I follow these particular numbers fairly regularly and, although IMDb's
    may indeed drop, it shouldn't be by but a couple of decimal points.

    Maybe I misunderstand what's meant by "terrible buzz". If it means "relative to the hoopla", then, yeah, this flick arrives bathed in
    every conceivable pretense (...like most Nolan offerings, imo). Still,
    I'd be very surprised to find it, say, un-recommendable...

    I think I saw a report that in addition to the high Metacritic number
    it has a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes.


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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Tue Jul 21 17:30:28 2026
    Verily, in article <113ol8r$2ajh5$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Maybe I misunderstand what's meant by "terrible buzz". If it means "relative to the hoopla", then, yeah, this flick arrives bathed in every conceivable pretense (...like most Nolan offerings, imo). Still, I'd be very surprised to find it, say, un-recommendable...


    Okay, fair enough. I meant things I'd heard personally.

    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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