• Re: This Is ALL We're Getting For Star Trek's 60th Anniversary?!

    From Patrick@3:633/10 to All on Sun Aug 23 14:27:09 2026
    In article <115c6a2$30noc$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Star Trek's 60th anniversary in 2026 is being marked primarily by The Sixty- >Year Mission: How Star Trek Changed Television and the World ? a documentary >executive produced by William Shatner opening exclusively at Regal Cinemas >nationwide on October 9, featuring interviews with Shatner, George Takei, and >Walter Koenig alongside Gene Roddenberry Jr. and hundreds of writers, >directors, and producers who built the franchise from its 1966 debut. With >Strange New Worlds in its final stretch, Starfleet Academy on its way out, >Alex Kurtzman's contract expired, and the next Star Trek film jumping to a >disconnected far-future setting with all-new characters, a theatrical >documentary built entirely on nostalgia for the original 1960s series is the >most honest statement Paramount has made about where fan affection for the >franchise actually lives in 2026.

    https://youtu.be/NNU_yQi7eP8?si=b-SHtYfErWN6sKkf


    It's very sad. Hard to believe that at one point we had TNG, DS9, and
    Voyager, all on tv at the same time for some period of time (plus a
    movie at the same time?).

    They really ran the franchise into the ground.

    I recently became aware of some comics that bring Sisko back and stuff.
    Gonna look into those.
    https://startreklitverse.com/theseus-and-defiant.php

    --
    Patrick


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  • From linnettedo3fo@hotmail.com@3:633/10 to All on Tue Aug 25 00:00:50 2026

    In article <006fe1v$252a3$1@dont-email.me>, patrick@example.invalid says...
    In article <115c6a2$30noc$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Star Trek's 60th anniversary in 2026 is being marked primarily by The Sixty- >>Year Mission: How Star Trek Changed Television and the World ? a documentary >>executive produced by William Shatner opening exclusively at Regal Cinemas >>nationwide on October 9, featuring interviews with Shatner, George Takei, and
    Walter Koenig alongside Gene Roddenberry Jr. and hundreds of writers, >>directors, and producers who built the franchise from its 1966 debut. With >>Strange New Worlds in its final stretch, Starfleet Academy on its way out, >>Alex Kurtzman's contract expired, and the next Star Trek film jumping to a >>disconnected far-future setting with all-new characters, a theatrical >>documentary built entirely on nostalgia for the original 1960s series is the >>most honest statement Paramount has made about where fan affection for the >>franchise actually lives in 2026.

    https://youtu.be/NNU_yQi7eP8?si=b-SHtYfErWN6sKkf


    It's very sad. Hard to believe that at one point we had TNG, DS9, and >Voyager, all on tv at the same time for some period of time (plus a
    movie at the same time?).

    They really ran the franchise into the ground.

    I recently became aware of some comics that bring Sisko back and stuff. >Gonna look into those.
    https://startreklitverse.com/theseus-and-defiant.php

    60th Anniversary of Star Trek is actually the 21st Anniversary of its death.


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  • From NoBody@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 29 10:09:12 2026
    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:27:09 -0400, Patrick <patrick@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    In article <115c6a2$30noc$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Star Trek's 60th anniversary in 2026 is being marked primarily by The Sixty- >>Year Mission: How Star Trek Changed Television and the World ?a documentary >>executive produced by William Shatner opening exclusively at Regal Cinemas >>nationwide on October 9, featuring interviews with Shatner, George Takei, and
    Walter Koenig alongside Gene Roddenberry Jr. and hundreds of writers, >>directors, and producers who built the franchise from its 1966 debut. With >>Strange New Worlds in its final stretch, Starfleet Academy on its way out, >>Alex Kurtzman's contract expired, and the next Star Trek film jumping to a >>disconnected far-future setting with all-new characters, a theatrical >>documentary built entirely on nostalgia for the original 1960s series is the >>most honest statement Paramount has made about where fan affection for the >>franchise actually lives in 2026.

    https://youtu.be/NNU_yQi7eP8?si=b-SHtYfErWN6sKkf


    It's very sad. Hard to believe that at one point we had TNG, DS9, and >Voyager, all on tv at the same time for some period of time (plus a
    movie at the same time?).

    They really ran the franchise into the ground.

    I recently became aware of some comics that bring Sisko back and stuff. >Gonna look into those.
    https://startreklitverse.com/theseus-and-defiant.php

    They purchased the intellectual property in order to make it pure
    wokism and destroyed it.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 29 17:27:29 2026
    On Aug 29, 2026 at 7:09:12 AM PDT, "NoBody" <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:27:09 -0400, Patrick <patrick@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    In article <115c6a2$30noc$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Star Trek's 60th anniversary in 2026 is being marked primarily by The Sixty-
    Year Mission: How Star Trek Changed Television and the World ?a documentary
    executive produced by William Shatner opening exclusively at Regal Cinemas >>> nationwide on October 9, featuring interviews with Shatner, George Takei, >>> and
    Walter Koenig alongside Gene Roddenberry Jr. and hundreds of writers,
    directors, and producers who built the franchise from its 1966 debut. With >>> Strange New Worlds in its final stretch, Starfleet Academy on its way out, >>> Alex Kurtzman's contract expired, and the next Star Trek film jumping to a >>> disconnected far-future setting with all-new characters, a theatrical
    documentary built entirely on nostalgia for the original 1960s series is the
    most honest statement Paramount has made about where fan affection for the >>> franchise actually lives in 2026.

    https://youtu.be/NNU_yQi7eP8?si=b-SHtYfErWN6sKkf


    It's very sad. Hard to believe that at one point we had TNG, DS9, and
    Voyager, all on tv at the same time for some period of time (plus a
    movie at the same time?).

    They really ran the franchise into the ground.

    I recently became aware of some comics that bring Sisko back and stuff.
    Gonna look into those.
    https://startreklitverse.com/theseus-and-defiant.php

    They purchased the intellectual property in order to make it pure
    wokism and destroyed it.

    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that
    today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for being so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly
    drawing attention to it.

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore"
    ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.



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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 29 13:48:23 2026
    BTR1701 wrote in article <116v4q1$3diob$3@dont-email.me>:
    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for being
    so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly drawing attention to it.


    It did preach sometimes. Remember the episode with Abraham
    Lincoln? How about "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," with the
    black-white guy and the white-black guy? I thought that one was
    preachy even as a kid.

    I wonder if the rise in narcissism has become a problem for TV.
    So many people want to see not just an interesting character but
    *themselves* on the screen, or their inner image of themselves.
    To older people, it looks like the characters are constantly
    fussing over their demographic traits. To people who grew up in
    this world, it might look much more natural.

    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 29 18:50:14 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just >didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    But the women were full figured, the uniforms were tight, and they
    showed a lot of shapely leg. The guest stars were some of the most
    beautiful actresses of the 1960s.

    If that was Gene Roddenberry's idea of utopia, who am I to argue?

    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black >woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that >today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke >casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters >congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for being >so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself >while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly >drawing attention to it.

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore" >ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.

    Did it apply only to the military or all of the Federation? It was inconsistent. In any event, nothing about the economy was explained.

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 29 19:06:54 2026
    On Aug 29, 2026 at 11:50:14 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just
    didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    But the women were full figured, the uniforms were tight, and they
    showed a lot of shapely leg. The guest stars were some of the most
    beautiful actresses of the 1960s.

    If that was Gene Roddenberry's idea of utopia, who am I to argue?

    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black >> woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that
    today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke >> casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters
    congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for
    being
    so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself >> while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly
    drawing attention to it.

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore"
    ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.

    Did it apply only to the military or all of the Federation? It was inconsistent. In any event, nothing about the economy was explained.

    By the time they got to DS9, it was all very confusing. There was Quark's Bar, which obviously used money because Ferengi culture's singular drive is the accumulation of wealth. But the Federation personnel were always in there eating, drinking, using the holosuites, and gambling, so they must have had money to do it with. Where and how they got it was never explained.

    And there were also episodes on Earth with Sisko's dad who had a restaurant in New Orleans. They never explained if the restaurant's customers just walked
    in, ordered dinner, then walked out and didn't pay because everything was
    free. If the customers aren't paying, are we to assume that Sisko's dad wasn't paying for the inventory, the utilities, etc. That the building was just given to him and that his waitstaff was just working there because they liked it?



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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Aug 30 09:35:04 2026
    Adam H. Kerman wrote in article <116v9l6$3fbng$2@dont-email.me>:
    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore" >ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.

    Did it apply only to the military or all of the Federation? It was


    TOS had money. They referred to "credits" every so often.

    TNG seems to be the era when they went moneyless.

    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sun Aug 30 09:38:06 2026
    BTR1701 wrote in article <116vake$3flc1$1@dont-email.me>:
    By the time they got to DS9, it was all very confusing. There was Quark's Bar,
    which obviously used money because Ferengi culture's singular drive is the accumulation of wealth. But the Federation personnel were always in there eating, drinking, using the holosuites, and gambling, so they must have had money to do it with. Where and how they got it was never explained.

    And there were also episodes on Earth with Sisko's dad who had a restaurant in
    New Orleans. They never explained if the restaurant's customers just walked in, ordered dinner, then walked out and didn't pay because everything was free. If the customers aren't paying, are we to assume that Sisko's dad wasn't
    paying for the inventory, the utilities, etc. That the building was just given
    to him and that his waitstaff was just working there because they liked it?


    I watched a video a while back which analyzed the Star Trek
    economy, insofar as that's possible. It concluded that while the
    Federation had stopped using money, it still had privileges and
    status markers, and there was clearly some sort of underground
    economy in these things.

    --
    The meek shall inherit, we're told,
    But I'm not so easily sold.
    For supposing they should,
    It would do them no good --
    They'd lose it at once to the bold.

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  • From NoBody@3:633/10 to All on Sun Aug 30 11:42:15 2026
    On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 17:27:29 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Aug 29, 2026 at 7:09:12 AM PDT, "NoBody" <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 14:27:09 -0400, Patrick <patrick@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    In article <115c6a2$30noc$2@dont-email.me>, weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    Star Trek's 60th anniversary in 2026 is being marked primarily by The Sixty-
    Year Mission: How Star Trek Changed Television and the World ?a documentary
    executive produced by William Shatner opening exclusively at Regal Cinemas
    nationwide on October 9, featuring interviews with Shatner, George Takei, >>>> and
    Walter Koenig alongside Gene Roddenberry Jr. and hundreds of writers, >>>> directors, and producers who built the franchise from its 1966 debut. With
    Strange New Worlds in its final stretch, Starfleet Academy on its way out,
    Alex Kurtzman's contract expired, and the next Star Trek film jumping to a
    disconnected far-future setting with all-new characters, a theatrical >>>> documentary built entirely on nostalgia for the original 1960s series is the
    most honest statement Paramount has made about where fan affection for the
    franchise actually lives in 2026.

    https://youtu.be/NNU_yQi7eP8?si=b-SHtYfErWN6sKkf


    It's very sad. Hard to believe that at one point we had TNG, DS9, and
    Voyager, all on tv at the same time for some period of time (plus a
    movie at the same time?).

    They really ran the franchise into the ground.

    I recently became aware of some comics that bring Sisko back and stuff. >>> Gonna look into those.
    https://startreklitverse.com/theseus-and-defiant.php

    They purchased the intellectual property in order to make it pure
    wokism and destroyed it.

    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just >didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    Activist but not woke in the modern sense.


    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black >woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that >today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke >casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters >congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for being >so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself >while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly >drawing attention to it.

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore" >ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.


    TOS reflected actual make up of society. Modern trek creates its own
    and turns reality on its head.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Sun Aug 30 17:48:14 2026
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore" >>>ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.

    Did it apply only to the military or all of the Federation? It was

    TOS had money. They referred to "credits" every so often.

    TNG seems to be the era when they went moneyless.

    In DS9, the Ferengi denominate wealth in gold-pressed latinum, something
    not created by replicator. Their economy is hard currency, not fiat
    money.

    We have enough trouble with Eurozone as not every nation's economy is
    rising and falling at the same time, or with countries that denote their
    local currency in dollars. Without any thought put intoit,
    macroeconomics will not change over time. It's nearly impossible for two distant planets not economically interdependent to share currency.

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to All on Mon Aug 31 09:55:08 2026
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 29, 2026 at 11:50:14 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Well, to be fair, TREK has been mostly woke since its inception. It just >>> didn't shove it your face in every scene like they do these days.

    But the women were full figured, the uniforms were tight, and they
    showed a lot of shapely leg. The guest stars were some of the most
    beautiful actresses of the 1960s.

    If that was Gene Roddenberry's idea of utopia, who am I to argue?

    Just look at the bridge crew of the original Enterprise-- an alien, a black >>> woman, a Japanese guy, a Russian, a Scotsman and Kirk. If they made that >>> today, we'd be laughing about all the DEI boxes they checked with their woke
    casting. But the original show did it without fanfare, without the characters
    congratulating themselves in the dialog about how wonderful they are for >>> being
    so inclusive, etc. It was just the world of the show and it spoke for itself
    while the show told interesting and exciting stories without constantly
    drawing attention to it.

    And don't get me started on the Federation's "we don't do money anymore" >>> ethos. I mean, that's just communism with starships.

    Did it apply only to the military or all of the Federation? It was
    inconsistent. In any event, nothing about the economy was explained.

    By the time they got to DS9, it was all very confusing. There was Quark's Bar,
    which obviously used money because Ferengi culture's singular drive is the accumulation of wealth. But the Federation personnel were always in there eating, drinking, using the holosuites, and gambling, so they must have had money to do it with. Where and how they got it was never explained.

    And there were also episodes on Earth with Sisko's dad who had a restaurant in
    New Orleans. They never explained if the restaurant's customers just walked in, ordered dinner, then walked out and didn't pay because everything was free. If the customers aren't paying, are we to assume that Sisko's dad wasn't
    paying for the inventory, the utilities, etc. That the building was just given
    to him and that his waitstaff was just working there because they liked it?


    Grandpa Sisko utilized credits in some manner. They talked about people
    using their credit ration for the transporter to come and eat dinner.



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