• Re: Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Ca

    From The Horny Goat@3:633/10 to All on Fri Aug 21 16:32:41 2026
    Subject: Re: Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Canadian Citizens

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:29:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >>undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >>for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre >>airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port >>Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    Glad you know that much of the southern part of the Vancouver Port
    Authority (especially the spit containing the BC Ferries connection to Vancouver Island) is dredged land.

    At the rate they're going BC tribes are next going to lay claim to
    Point Roberts (which is a 2 sq mile area connected to BC and NOT
    connected to Washington State but by virtue of being S of the 49th
    parallel is US territory) - and certain tribes both on Vancouver
    Island and Washington State are laying claims to parts of Metro
    Vancouver. Plus probably the man made spit in Tsawwassen that contains
    the BC Ferries terminal to Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island.

    So tug the forelock and agree in advance that any native land claim is legitimate and not the slightest exaggerated....(my home is in such a
    region though pre-contact data shows local native people never
    inhabited more than a strip of land about 1/2 miles from the sea and
    I'm considerably north of that - with the only evidence they ever went
    this far from the sea was either for berry picking or bear hunting -
    never habitation)

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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 22 10:36:19 2026
    Subject: Re: Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Canadian Citizens

    On 2026-08-21 7:32 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:29:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >>> undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >>> for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre
    airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port
    Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    Glad you know that much of the southern part of the Vancouver Port
    Authority (especially the spit containing the BC Ferries connection to Vancouver Island) is dredged land.

    At the rate they're going BC tribes are next going to lay claim to
    Point Roberts (which is a 2 sq mile area connected to BC and NOT
    connected to Washington State but by virtue of being S of the 49th
    parallel is US territory) - and certain tribes both on Vancouver
    Island and Washington State are laying claims to parts of Metro
    Vancouver. Plus probably the man made spit in Tsawwassen that contains
    the BC Ferries terminal to Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island.

    So tug the forelock and agree in advance that any native land claim is legitimate and not the slightest exaggerated....(my home is in such a
    region though pre-contact data shows local native people never
    inhabited more than a strip of land about 1/2 miles from the sea and
    I'm considerably north of that - with the only evidence they ever went
    this far from the sea was either for berry picking or bear hunting -
    never habitation)

    Are you in an area that is only claimed by one tribe? I understand there
    are whole areas which two or more tribes each claim as their territory
    which would have to complicate things even further.

    I can't IMAGINE how much stress this puts on all home-owners in BC as
    they wonder if they're about to be evicted or taxed to the skies because
    of a court decision that rules that their homes are on land that wasn't legitimately acquired.... For most people, their homes are their biggest single asset and the prospect of losing them has got to be horrible.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 22 16:54:44 2026
    Subject: Re: Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Canadian Citizens

    On Aug 22, 2026 at 7:36:19 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-08-21 7:32 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:29:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly
    undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended
    for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a >>>> 12-acre
    airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port >>>> Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    Glad you know that much of the southern part of the Vancouver Port
    Authority (especially the spit containing the BC Ferries connection to
    Vancouver Island) is dredged land.

    At the rate they're going BC tribes are next going to lay claim to
    Point Roberts (which is a 2 sq mile area connected to BC and NOT
    connected to Washington State but by virtue of being S of the 49th
    parallel is US territory) - and certain tribes both on Vancouver
    Island and Washington State are laying claims to parts of Metro
    Vancouver. Plus probably the man made spit in Tsawwassen that contains
    the BC Ferries terminal to Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island.

    So tug the forelock and agree in advance that any native land claim is
    legitimate and not the slightest exaggerated....(my home is in such a
    region though pre-contact data shows local native people never
    inhabited more than a strip of land about 1/2 miles from the sea and
    I'm considerably north of that - with the only evidence they ever went
    this far from the sea was either for berry picking or bear hunting -
    never habitation)

    Are you in an area that is only claimed by one tribe? I understand there
    are whole areas which two or more tribes each claim as their territory
    which would have to complicate things even further.

    I can't IMAGINE how much stress this puts on all home-owners in BC as
    they wonder if they're about to be evicted

    Evicted? That's seriously an option? All this boogedy-boogedy shit from a
    bunch of grifting Indians could cost you your home?

    When are you people going to stand up and say fuck no? Violently if
    necessary.

    or taxed to the skies because
    of a court decision that rules that their homes are on land that wasn't legitimately acquired.... For most people, their homes are their biggest single asset and the prospect of losing them has got to be horrible.

    Not horrible. Absolutely unacceptable. Which point needs to be asserted in the strongest of terms. There are plenty of gun stores just south of a mostly-undefended border with which you all can arm yourselves and make that point.



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  • From Rhino@3:633/10 to All on Sat Aug 22 17:41:51 2026
    Subject: Re: Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Canadian Citizens

    On 2026-08-22 12:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2026 at 7:36:19 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-08-21 7:32 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:29:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly
    undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended
    for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a >>>>> 12-acre
    airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port >>>>> Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    Glad you know that much of the southern part of the Vancouver Port
    Authority (especially the spit containing the BC Ferries connection to >>> Vancouver Island) is dredged land.

    At the rate they're going BC tribes are next going to lay claim to
    Point Roberts (which is a 2 sq mile area connected to BC and NOT
    connected to Washington State but by virtue of being S of the 49th
    parallel is US territory) - and certain tribes both on Vancouver
    Island and Washington State are laying claims to parts of Metro
    Vancouver. Plus probably the man made spit in Tsawwassen that contains >>> the BC Ferries terminal to Victoria, BC on Vancouver Island.

    So tug the forelock and agree in advance that any native land claim is >>> legitimate and not the slightest exaggerated....(my home is in such a
    region though pre-contact data shows local native people never
    inhabited more than a strip of land about 1/2 miles from the sea and
    I'm considerably north of that - with the only evidence they ever went >>> this far from the sea was either for berry picking or bear hunting -
    never habitation)

    Are you in an area that is only claimed by one tribe? I understand there
    are whole areas which two or more tribes each claim as their territory
    which would have to complicate things even further.

    I can't IMAGINE how much stress this puts on all home-owners in BC as
    they wonder if they're about to be evicted

    Evicted? That's seriously an option? All this boogedy-boogedy shit from a bunch of grifting Indians could cost you your home?

    The BC government made a statement that was supposed to sound like no
    one's home is in jeopardy but to my ears, there was some serious hedging
    going on. I do NOT trust the current government, which is very
    socialist, so I may just be biased. I'd be very curious to see Horny
    Goat's reaction to the government's official line. Does he trust them
    not to evict people from their homes?

    When are you people going to stand up and say fuck no? Violently if necessary.

    or taxed to the skies because
    of a court decision that rules that their homes are on land that wasn't
    legitimately acquired.... For most people, their homes are their biggest
    single asset and the prospect of losing them has got to be horrible.

    Not horrible. Absolutely unacceptable. Which point needs to be asserted in the
    strongest of terms. There are plenty of gun stores just south of a mostly-undefended border with which you all can arm yourselves and make that point.



    I'm trying to remember any incident in Canadian history where we stood
    up in LARGE numbers and violently contested anything, let alone won.

    There were some revolts or actions that involved small numbers of
    people, like the Riel Rebellion in the 19th century or the FLQ Crisis in
    1970 but the number of people willing to fight violently was small.
    During COVID, there were certainly people who objected strongly to the lockdowns but precious few who would take up arms. We're too damned
    docile as a people.

    We didn't forge our country in war the way you did. We didn't have to
    fight for our independence. In fact, I once heard a claim that we didn't
    even SEEK independence from Britain: the British Foreign Office
    basically found it expensive to do all it was doing when we were still colonies and strong-armed us into cobbling together the sovereign nation
    of Canada. Of course that's not the official line in our history books
    but no one seems to look too closely at the events so I truly don't know.

    I wonder if actual having the government take away homes would be enough
    to motivate armed resistance on a large scale? I really don't know.

    You have no idea how sad it makes me to say that. I have no desire
    whatever to go to war with anyone but it really disturbs me that I'm not
    sure if, as a people, we have any red lines that the government
    absolutely MUST NOT CROSS. I'd really like to be able to say that we
    might tolerate X or Y but we absolutely will NOT accept Z but I don't if
    there is a Z or what Z is.

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    Rhino

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