https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
On 2026-10-11 17:13:20 +0000, shawn said:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
The price of ink cartridge printers and official ink cartridges from
any manufacturer means that it is actually cheaper to just buy a whole
new inkjet printer rather than waste money with replacement official
ink cartridges. Third-party "compatible" ink cartridges can be a lot cheaper, but even then it can still be cheaper to just buy a new
printer (assuming any new printer will work with with your aging
computer).
A little while back HP started the idiocy whereby their printers *have*
to be able to connect to the internet to verify official ink
cratridges, otherwise they won't print. HP's printer driver software on
the Mac is also very buggy. I won't be buying or advising anyone else
to buy HP printers of any kind.
On 2026-10-11 21:31:12 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-10-11 17:13:20 +0000, shawn said:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
The price of ink cartridge printers and official ink cartridges from
any manufacturer means that it is actually cheaper to just buy a whole
new inkjet printer rather than waste money with replacement official
ink cartridges. Third-party "compatible" ink cartridges can be a lot
cheaper, but even then it can still be cheaper to just buy a new
printer (assuming any new printer will work with with your aging
computer).
A little while back HP started the idiocy whereby their printers *have*
to be able to connect to the internet to verify official ink
cratridges, otherwise they won't print. HP's printer driver software on
the Mac is also very buggy. I won't be buying or advising anyone else
to buy HP printers of any kind.
I've used an old Canon Pixma inkjet printer for many years, about the dimensions of a loaf of bread. I've found the "generic" cartridges that
are sold don't work so well if at all so I always buy the official
Canon ones.
This printer is hard-wired to my older Mac system, I suppose I could
get a Bluetooth one that would work with my two more modern Mac systems
but I don't really want to fool with it. And this old Canon printer is
nice and compact and fits on the top shelf of a hutch, a newer one
would take up a bigger footprint.
On 2026-10-11 23:15:45 +0000, super70s said:
On 2026-10-11 21:31:12 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-10-11 17:13:20 +0000, shawn said:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages >>>> so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around >>>> $50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
The price of ink cartridge printers and official ink cartridges from
any manufacturer means that it is actually cheaper to just buy a whole
new inkjet printer rather than waste money with replacement official
ink cartridges. Third-party "compatible" ink cartridges can be a lot
cheaper, but even then it can still be cheaper to just buy a new
printer (assuming any new printer will work with with your aging
computer).
A little while back HP started the idiocy whereby their printers *have* >>> to be able to connect to the internet to verify official ink
cratridges, otherwise they won't print. HP's printer driver software on >>> the Mac is also very buggy. I won't be buying or advising anyone else
to buy HP printers of any kind.
I've used an old Canon Pixma inkjet printer for many years, about the
dimensions of a loaf of bread. I've found the "generic" cartridges that
are sold don't work so well if at all so I always buy the official
Canon ones.
The problem is that the retailers and even the manufacturers phase out
the cartridges. It is impossible for me to buy any cartridges for my
old HP inkjet in shops, so have to order them online from printer
specialist supplier (ink, toner, special papers, etc.) instead.
On 2026-10-11 23:35:59 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-10-11 23:15:45 +0000, super70s said:
On 2026-10-11 21:31:12 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2026-10-11 17:13:20 +0000, shawn said:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you >>>>> have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages >>>>> so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around >>>>> $50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a >>>>> year I'm fine with that.
The price of ink cartridge printers and official ink cartridges from
any manufacturer means that it is actually cheaper to just buy a whole >>>> new inkjet printer rather than waste money with replacement official
ink cartridges. Third-party "compatible" ink cartridges can be a lot
cheaper, but even then it can still be cheaper to just buy a new
printer (assuming any new printer will work with with your aging
computer).
A little while back HP started the idiocy whereby their printers *have* >>>> to be able to connect to the internet to verify official ink
cratridges, otherwise they won't print. HP's printer driver software on >>>> the Mac is also very buggy. I won't be buying or advising anyone else >>>> to buy HP printers of any kind.
I've used an old Canon Pixma inkjet printer for many years, about the
dimensions of a loaf of bread. I've found the "generic" cartridges that >>> are sold don't work so well if at all so I always buy the official
Canon ones.
The problem is that the retailers and even the manufacturers phase out
the cartridges. It is impossible for me to buy any cartridges for my
old HP inkjet in shops, so have to order them online from printer
specialist supplier (ink, toner, special papers, etc.) instead.
Have you tried eBay? You can usually find printer cartridges there for
sale even if they've been phased out by the manufacturer and it's
probably cheaper than a "printer specialist supplier." I'm not sure if
Canon has quit making the cartridges I use but I can always find some
on eBay.
Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I just saw a video. A woman was using her printer with a cable, either networked or as a peripheral. The printer stopped working, demanding
that she enable Wifi. She then got a contract violation notice for using
a competitor's ink jet cartridge.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Friends kept giving me unwanted laser printers. At some point, I stopped replacing cartridges, just swapped in printers with a bit of toner left.
While Brother isn't supposed to pull the same "unauthorized cartridge"
crap, one printer shut down at a specific page count, demanding a
replacement cartridge. There was probably enough toner remaining for a
couple hundred sheets. I didn't replace it.
The last printers were HP LaserJet 4050s, slow workhorse printers that I
kept because I was able to buy envelope feeders. I have yet to find a
recent printer with a comparable feature for an office till there are expensive ones for mailing houses.
The 4000 series was from the late '90s. That's what I'm using.
I'm about to discard the other 6 used printers.
I once had a very clever laser printer, meant for cubicle dwellers or possibly trade show exhibitors. It was designed to stand on the narrow end, perhaps 6 inches wide, placed at the edge of the shelf. It only held 25
or 50 sheets, but if you didn't have to leave your work area to get your printing, it was useful.
On 2026-10-12 4:23 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their >>>cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I just saw a video. A woman was using her printer with a cable, either >>networked or as a peripheral. The printer stopped working, demanding
that she enable Wifi. She then got a contract violation notice for using
a competitor's ink jet cartridge.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Friends kept giving me unwanted laser printers. At some point, I stopped >>replacing cartridges, just swapped in printers with a bit of toner left.
While Brother isn't supposed to pull the same "unauthorized cartridge" >>crap, one printer shut down at a specific page count, demanding a >>replacement cartridge. There was probably enough toner remaining for a >>couple hundred sheets. I didn't replace it.
My Brother printer came with the standard propaganda encouraging me to
buy only Brother laser cartridges but they were pretty pricey so the
first time I needed one, I decided to try one of the knockoff brands, >Moustache. I've had no problem with those. Mind you, I'm only on my
second cartridge for each colour! Maybe my page count isn't high enough
to demand the use of Brother cartridges.
. . .
I once had a very clever laser printer, meant for cubicle dwellers or >>possibly trade show exhibitors. It was designed to stand on the narrow end, >>perhaps 6 inches wide, placed at the edge of the shelf. It only held 25
or 50 sheets, but if you didn't have to leave your work area to get your >>printing, it was useful.
That is an unusual design; I've never heard of a printer that was
sideways like that to get a smaller footprint. But if it's only 6 inches >wide, I'm assuming it can't handle a standard 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper
either which would be a deal-breaker for me.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2026-10-12 4:23 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I just saw a video. A woman was using her printer with a cable, either
networked or as a peripheral. The printer stopped working, demanding
that she enable Wifi. She then got a contract violation notice for using >>> a competitor's ink jet cartridge.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages >>>> so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Friends kept giving me unwanted laser printers. At some point, I stopped >>> replacing cartridges, just swapped in printers with a bit of toner left.
While Brother isn't supposed to pull the same "unauthorized cartridge"
crap, one printer shut down at a specific page count, demanding a
replacement cartridge. There was probably enough toner remaining for a
couple hundred sheets. I didn't replace it.
My Brother printer came with the standard propaganda encouraging me to
buy only Brother laser cartridges but they were pretty pricey so the
first time I needed one, I decided to try one of the knockoff brands,
Moustache. I've had no problem with those. Mind you, I'm only on my
second cartridge for each colour! Maybe my page count isn't high enough
to demand the use of Brother cartridges.
Either the cartridge leaks toner, which is when it streaks, or not. Page count doesn't matter. I do remember refilling the toner reservoir in photocopiers from a bottle, which was cheap but messy.
. . .
I once had a very clever laser printer, meant for cubicle dwellers or
possibly trade show exhibitors. It was designed to stand on the narrow end, >>> perhaps 6 inches wide, placed at the edge of the shelf. It only held 25
or 50 sheets, but if you didn't have to leave your work area to get your >>> printing, it was useful.
That is an unusual design; I've never heard of a printer that was
sideways like that to get a smaller footprint. But if it's only 6 inches
wide, I'm assuming it can't handle a standard 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper
either which would be a deal-breaker for me.
I made no comment like that. Six inches describes one outer dimension of
the unit on the side that contacted the desk surface. It's meant to sit
at the edge of a desk. It must have the feeder door and printing output
door opened when operating. These might lean into the aisle if space is especially tight. It had no paper tray, just a feeder that held 25 or 50 sheets, designed to accept letter or legal-sized paper stock. Because
there is no tray, one doesn't leave any paper in it when not in use.
It's designed to be space efficient or for portability, not for high volume printing. Eliminating the paper tray allowed it to take up minimal space.
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 13:13:20 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their
cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Ended up going with a Canon laser printer. A few dollars more than the
ink jet printer I was looking at but it avoids many of the issues we
were talking about. Only issue is it's bigger so it will end up stuffed
in a corner.
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 13:13:20 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their >>cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Ended up going with a Canon laser printer. A few dollars more than the
ink jet printer I was looking at but it avoids many of the issues we
were talking about. Only issue is it's bigger so it will end up
stuffed in a corner.
Personally I would stay well a way from refilled toner cartridges. We
had no end of problems using refilled cartridges in a work laser
printer, although that was some years ago and the refilling techniques
might be better now.
. . .
Personally I would stay well a way from refilled toner cartridges. We
had no end of problems using refilled cartridges in a work laser
printer, although that was some years ago and the refilling techniques
might be better now.
Epson is meant to be stopping their manufacture and sale of laser
printers and parts / toners this year in favour of their "green"
eco-tank inkjet printers. So far the other makers haven't decided to go
down this suppoedly "green" route ... yet!
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 13:13:20 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >>><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq7UkDskDE8
HP has been known for years to try and rip people off with their >>>cartridges. Even to the point of adding DRM to the cartridges so you
have to use their cartridges.
I'm in need of a printer but only to print off a small amount of pages
so I'm looking at printers now. Just one like an Epson that is around
$50 that I'm treating as a throw away. If I need to replace it in a
year I'm fine with that.
Ended up going with a Canon laser printer. A few dollars more than the
ink jet printer I was looking at but it avoids many of the issues we
were talking about. Only issue is it's bigger so it will end up
stuffed in a corner.
You can use an off-brand toner cartridge? It won't refuse to use the
remsing toner in the cartridge at a specific page count?
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