The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

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Adam H. Kerman wrote in article <11b71ru$2o7vs$1@dont-email.me>:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

I'm hearing that a teacher had already tackled the shooter and
was wrestling with him when the parent shot. I think this is the
source of the "troubling questions" the police chief mentioned.
The detractors are making a case that the shooter was already
subdued.

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

I don't think so. The community has come together for him. He has
already received more than $350,000 in donations, for legal fees
or therapy or whatever he needs. He can get a decent lawyer, and
it's already clear that no jury will convict him.


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On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 07:07:58 -0400, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

Adam H. Kerman wrote in article <11b71ru$2o7vs$1@dont-email.me>:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

I'm hearing that a teacher had already tackled the shooter and
was wrestling with him when the parent shot. I think this is the
source of the "troubling questions" the police chief mentioned.
The detractors are making a case that the shooter was already
subdued.

You're "hearing"???

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

I don't think so. The community has come together for him. He has
already received more than $350,000 in donations, for legal fees
or therapy or whatever he needs. He can get a decent lawyer, and
it's already clear that no jury will convict him.

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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

He had a preemptive advantage. He could have disarm the young-man, with a hug for all I care. Did he shoot him out of self-defense for himself believing he had the drop on him, or was he too far away? Imagine if he had no weapon at all, and followed him into the building and grabbed him, disarmed him.

.

On the other hand he was a father of children in the building and saw a direct threat. Honestly officers also cried about when the mother sneaked out children out of the classroom via a window, and ignored officers who literally did nothing. Afterwards she was scolded, stalked by the police, as if she was a problem.

.

How about we connect the dots of these school shooters. Honestly in my own years as a kid ( fourth grader ), if I had access to a weapon, I would probably even use it instead of chasing my abusers down in the school yard ( deep down inside I did not want to hurt them, but I wanted to _ _ _ _ them ). Why are they the way they are? I will tell you. Discrimination towards there parents, passed down to them, and transformed into mindless hate. It is like "American History X" ( where mindless violence turns into racism, discrimination, just because of how somebody appears on the outside ). Then the ending of "Lord of the flies" happen, and realize you was killing yourself.
Christians killing Christians.

Derick Chavez ( George Floyd murderer ), is a great example of a "school shooter" that took a long time to wake up. Even that Ned Flanders dream is more or less the same.

Go play "God of Fear and Hunger" 1 and or 2, of "awakening".

Even worst is when you encounter "stupidity". ______________ doing everything in ____ own power to destroy themselves, a stupid people destroy themselves but at what cost, and how long. Some prolong there own self-aniliation set in earlier years.

"How do you kill which does not have life" or is "How do you stop which does not know what stopping is"


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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:

Adam H. Kerman wrote in article <11b71ru$2o7vs$1@dont-email.me>:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took >>him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been >>murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

I'm hearing that a teacher had already tackled the shooter and
was wrestling with him when the parent shot. I think this is the
source of the "troubling questions" the police chief mentioned.
The detractors are making a case that the shooter was already
subdued.

Ok. Then the perpetrator wasn't yet subdued and disarmed. Do we know for
a fact he cannot make a legal claim of self defense?

The moment this boy took a life in a random act of violence in a
premeditated crime, his life was forfeit.

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several >>years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm >>guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

I don't think so. The community has come together for him. He has
already received more than $350,000 in donations, for legal fees
or therapy or whatever he needs. He can get a decent lawyer, and
it's already clear that no jury will convict him.

The state law is an ass, and I don't trust prosecutors to exercise
discretion in the interest of justice. The only reason not to press
charges is how difficult it would be to obtain a guilty verdict with
public sentiment on his side.

A battered wife who grabs the gun to kill her husband during a lull in
the beating that she expects to resume shortly? Women's prisons are full
of such convicts. She could have tried to leave!

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On 2026-10-20 2:31 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

I don't see how the guy that stopped the shooter is anything but a hero.
He needs a medal, not criminal charges.

The only halfway plausible argument is that the teacher who threw the
phone at the shooter and was wrestling him might have succeeded in
disarming him without the Good Samaritan's intervention. I'm inclined to
think he would have held off if he saw that she just about had the
shooter under control. I'm betting he saw that she was losing the battle
and intervened to save her life as well. I'm not sure how the Good
Samaritan managed to take out the shooter without also hitting the
teacher: maybe he was just a really good shot. I expect those details
will come out as both the Good Samaritan and the teacher get interviewed
by police.

Is there any truth to the allegations of the guy in the YouTube video
that the shooter was another transformer, like the whacko that killed
the students and teacher at Tumbler Ridge BC?

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In <11b86dj$3626k$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes: [snip]

A battered wife who grabs the gun to kill her husband during a lull in
the beating that she expects to resume shortly? Women's prisons are full
of such convicts. She could have tried to leave!

ah yes, your obligatory reference to Chicago!



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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Is there any truth to the allegations of the guy in the YouTube video
that the shooter was another transformer, like the whacko that killed
the students and teacher at Tumbler Ridge BC?

Another reason to skip the video. It was just rhetoric. Another
accusation was that he was taking a psychiatric drug. He made it up. I'd
like to know if there was an underlying issue or his mother ignored
signs of instability but gave him the rifle anyway.

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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine
charges they choose to bring against him.

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On 2026-10-20 2:31 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Is there any truth to the allegations of the guy in the YouTube video
that the shooter was another transformer, like the whacko that killed
the students and teacher at Tumbler Ridge BC?

Another reason to skip the video. It was just rhetoric. Another
accusation was that he was taking a psychiatric drug. He made it up. I'd
like to know if there was an underlying issue or his mother ignored
signs of instability but gave him the rifle anyway.

The presenter in the video sounded a little too much like someone just reciting right-wing narrative so I only listened to the first minute or so.

--
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On 10/20/2026 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took
him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine charges they choose to bring against him.

It'll be argued that the necessity didn't exist when he broke the ban.



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moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 10/20/2026 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took >>> him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students
and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders
who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several
years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have
to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine
charges they choose to bring against him.

It'll be argued that the necessity didn't exist when he broke the ban.

Doesn't matter if it objectively existed. The standard is whether he
reasonably believed it existed.


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On 10/20/2026 5:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 10/20/2026 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took >>>> him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students >>>> and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders >>>> who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several >>>> years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have >>>> to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine
charges they choose to bring against him.

It'll be argued that the necessity didn't exist when he broke the ban.

Doesn't matter if it objectively existed. The standard is whether he reasonably believed it existed.

His 'reason' would have to include special foreknowledge.



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BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 10/20/2026 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took >>>> him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students >>>> and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been
murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders >>>> who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member".

The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several >>>> years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit
holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have >>>> to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine
charges they choose to bring against him.

It'll be argued that the necessity didn't exist when he broke the ban.

Doesn't matter if it objectively existed. The standard is whether he >reasonably believed it existed.

It's original-flavor horribly offensive moviePig! The father WITNESSED
the perpetrator break in through a locked door by shooting a lock. He
followed him in. He reasonably believed the perpetrator was there to
commit mass murder.

The necessity didn't exist?

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On 10/20/2026 6:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 10/20/2026 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

The father of a student at an elementary school witnessed an armed
teenager shoot his way into the school. The man followed him in and took >>>>> him out. Unfortunately, the perpetrator had already murdered 3 students >>>>> and a teacher and seriously injured others.

If the father hadn't acted, more children and faculty would have been >>>>> murdered.

Politicians downplayed his role. The governor praised first responders >>>>> who got there later, and referred to "actions of a community member". >>>>>
The father committed a felony and faces a mandatory sentence of several >>>>> years if they charge him. Who the hell knows what he told cops; I'm
guessing he never asked for a lawyer.

He's completely fucked.

While the father holds a concealed carry permit, and the law has
exceptions for carry permit holders violating gun-free government
buildings, at local option, a board of education can ban carry-permit >>>>> holders from carrying on school grounds. This school did so.

Somehow the shooter, who received the rifle from his mother, wasn't
detered by the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-children-1-adult-killed-oregon-elementary-school-shooting-suspected-gunman-dead-police

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hero-dad-took-down-oregon-school-shooter-identified-along-teacher-killed-attack

This video takes too long to make a point. I watched so you don't have >>>>> to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHk1ob9APY

The affirmative defense of necessity should easily overcome any asinine >>>> charges they choose to bring against him.

It'll be argued that the necessity didn't exist when he broke the ban.

Doesn't matter if it objectively existed. The standard is whether he
reasonably believed it existed.

It's original-flavor horribly offensive moviePig! The father WITNESSED
the perpetrator break in through a locked door by shooting a lock. He followed him in. He reasonably believed the perpetrator was there to
commit mass murder.

The necessity didn't exist?

Umm, had the father already violated the ban by carrying his gun BEFORE
he "witnessed the perpetrator"?



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Rhino wrote in article <11b88vt$33m7e$2@dont-email.me>:

Is there any truth to the allegations of the guy in the YouTube video
that the shooter was another transformer, like the whacko that killed
the students and teacher at Tumbler Ridge BC?

I doubt it. With trans shooters, they try to conceal the
shooter's identity.

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