Tried to clean oven that has never been cleaned as far as I can tell.
Mostly I cleaned the glass with ammonia & tried to replace the dead
bulb. ˙Words on the bulb are 30 Watt Sylvania 130VAC Appliance Bulb
Removed the bulb glass screw-in cover and cleaned by dunking in ammonia
(how does ammonia clean off baked on black encased cooked grease anyway?).
Anyway, the appliance bulb broke away from the metal (so I have to
remove the thin metal threads somehow) - are built-in ovens hard wired
or plugs?
Assuming I get the metal from the bulb out of the socket deep in the
back of the oven without being electrocuted - do they make LED bulbs for these things yet? Or do I need to replace the bulb with another incandescent?
And how exactly does the chemistry (Frank?) of the ammonia work?
Tried to clean oven that has never been cleaned as far as I can tell.
Mostly I cleaned the glass with ammonia & tried to replace the dead bulb.
Words on the bulb are 30 Watt Sylvania 130VAC Appliance Bulb
Removed the bulb glass screw-in cover and cleaned by dunking in ammonia
(how does ammonia clean off baked on black encased cooked grease anyway?).
Anyway, the appliance bulb broke away from the metal (so I have to remove >the thin metal threads somehow) - are built-in ovens hard wired or plugs?
Assuming I get the metal from the bulb out of the socket deep in the back
of the oven without being electrocuted - do they make LED bulbs for these >things yet? Or do I need to replace the bulb with another incandescent?
And how exactly does the chemistry (Frank?) of the ammonia work?
Normal LED's would die at that heat. And it doesn't matter, because the
heat from the bulb just replaces a bit of the heat needed from the
heater elements.
Assuming I get the metal from the bulb out of the socket deep in the back
Wear a glove because of the glass left. If you can't twist that out,
stab a long narrow screwdriver through the bulb's base and twist that.
(Or use 2, like chopsticks?)
On 9/29/2023 12:41 AM, Bob F wrote:
Normal LED's would die at that heat. And it doesn't matter, because
the heat from the bulb just replaces a bit of the heat needed from the
heater elements.
I hadn't realized it until you said it but it makes sense that the five hundred degrees is nothing to an incandescent filament.
I never thought about how hot the filament must be.
Looking it up, this first cite says it's over three thousand degrees F! https://www.e-education.psu.edu/egee102/node/2035
I suspect though the 2-1/2 inch wide thick screw-in glass case that was all around the outside of the bulb might have been leaking based on the
"high water mark" I see on the bulb in these pictures I took for you.
https://i.postimg.cc/3r4dL0yF/Clipboard01.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dtGDFMj7/Clipboard02.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SQBjHQCF/Clipboard03.jpg
I hope they make an "oven bulb" where the glass-to-metal part is what
failed in this particular oven bulb.
On 9/29/2023 1:17 AM, micky wrote:
Assuming I get the metal from the bulb out of the socket deep in the
back
Wear a glove because of the glass left.˙ If you can't twist that out,
stab a long narrow screwdriver through the bulb's base and twist that.
(Or use 2, like chopsticks?)
I ended up using hose-clip (jesus clip) pliers.
The kind that push outward when you squeeze the plier handles.
Luckily the aluminum screw was not in tightly.
It came right out.
I was more worried about being electrocuted so I shut down the whole home.
I think appliance bulbs are designed primarily for ovens. Anything
that can handle an oven can surely handle a refrigerator and even a
freezer. So I think "normal" is all there is.
Given Sylvania didn't last - is there a better brand
HOw long had it been in there?
or source other than Amazon, Home Depot or Walmart?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and fridges are harder to clean. Anyone remember that?
And that it comes in 30w or some size that regular bulbs don't. And
that it's smaller to fit in the space provided.
On 9/29/2023 4:08 AM, micky wrote:
I think appliance bulbs are designed primarily for ovens. Anything
that can handle an oven can surely handle a refrigerator and even a
freezer. So I think "normal" is all there is.
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
just ramps up the temperature to as hot as it can get - which seems to me
to be brutal on these "normal" appliance 30W to 40W bulbs.
I think it's odd they're limiting teh heat in the wires to the 30W or 40W >when the wires must be getting heated up to over five hundred degrees from >the oven. Why not a 100W bulb for that matter? No big deal. I'm sure 30W or >40W is enough to see inside the oven (once I cleaned the glass that is).
I used straight ammonia - which seems to work reasonably well on the glass >plate in the door of the oven. I wonder if the self-cleaning actually
works.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Given Sylvania didn't last - is there a better brand
HOw long had it been in there?
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
It has been broken for so long that I don't even know how long it has been
in there - but it has to be years.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in >the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
thermometer in the oven which hasn't arrived yet so I could SEE what the
oven temperature really is.
Then I also bought a thermometer that goes into the fish or poultry or meat >after it's pulled out of the oven - and I tried to get a water proof one
but couldn't find any on Amazon.
It's a safety thing.
1. The oven thermometer was to check the temperature in the oven
2. The cleaning of the door glass was to see that oven thermometer
3. Then I realized the oven light was off so nothing could be seen
4. And then when the meat comes out - I can stab it with the other one
I was surprised that a thermometer can be inside an oven but not under
water. Seems to me it should be able to take both heat and water.
What I wanted was a thermometer that will last forever without batteries.
or source other than Amazon, Home Depot or Walmart?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and
fridges are harder to clean. Anyone remember that?
This one doesn't 'seem' to have a plastic shell.
But there is a big glass protective shell that you screw in around it.
I have that big glass protective shell dunked in ammonia right now.
It went from black to almost clear in a few hours of the ammonia.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
And that it comes in 30w or some size that regular bulbs don't. And
that it's smaller to fit in the space provided.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
On 9/29/2023 4:08 AM, micky wrote:
I think appliance bulbs are designed primarily for ovens.˙˙ Anything
that can handle an oven can surely handle a refrigerator and even a
freezer.˙˙ So I think "normal" is all there is.
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
just ramps up the temperature to as hot as it can get - which seems to me
to be brutal on these "normal" appliance 30W to 40W bulbs.
I think it's odd they're limiting teh heat in the wires to the 30W or 40W when the wires must be getting heated up to over five hundred degrees from the oven. Why not a 100W bulb for that matter? No big deal. I'm sure 30W or 40W is enough to see inside the oven (once I cleaned the glass that is).
I used straight ammonia - which seems to work reasonably well on the glass plate in the door of the oven. I wonder if the self-cleaning actually
works.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Given Sylvania didn't last - is there a better brand
HOw long had it been in there?
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
It has been broken for so long that I don't even know how long it has been
in there - but it has to be years.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a thermometer in the oven which hasn't arrived yet so I could SEE what the
oven temperature really is.
Then I also bought a thermometer that goes into the fish or poultry or meat after it's pulled out of the oven - and I tried to get a water proof one
but couldn't find any on Amazon.
It's a safety thing.
1. The oven thermometer was to check the temperature in the oven
2. The cleaning of the door glass was to see that oven thermometer
3. Then I realized the oven light was off so nothing could be seen
4. And then when the meat comes out - I can stab it with the other one
I was surprised that a thermometer can be inside an oven but not under
water. Seems to me it should be able to take both heat and water.
What I wanted was a thermometer that will last forever without batteries.
or source other than Amazon, Home Depot or Walmart?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and
fridges are harder to clean.˙ Anyone remember that?
This one doesn't 'seem' to have a plastic shell.
But there is a big glass protective shell that you screw in around it.
I have that big glass protective shell dunked in ammonia right now.
It went from black to almost clear in a few hours of the ammonia.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
And that it comes in 30w or some size that regular bulbs don't.˙˙ And
that it's smaller to fit in the space provided.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
On 9/29/2023 4:08 AM, micky wrote:
I think appliance bulbs are designed primarily for ovens. Anything
that can handle an oven can surely handle a refrigerator and even a
freezer. So I think "normal" is all there is.
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
just ramps up the temperature to as hot as it can get - which seems to me
to be brutal on these "normal" appliance 30W to 40W bulbs.
I think it's odd they're limiting teh heat in the wires to the 30W or 40W when the wires must be getting heated up to over five hundred degrees from the oven. Why not a 100W bulb for that matter? No big deal. I'm sure 30W or 40W is enough to see inside the oven (once I cleaned the glass that is).
I used straight ammonia - which seems to work reasonably well on the glass plate in the door of the oven. I wonder if the self-cleaning actually
works.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Given Sylvania didn't last - is there a better brand
HOw long had it been in there?
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
It has been broken for so long that I don't even know how long it has been
in there - but it has to be years.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
Use the self-cleaning for gosh sakes. Why are you avoiding that?
Depending on where you live, it's cold enough out now that it will supplement your furnace.
Ask any housewife and they will tell you that cleaning the oven is one
of the worst cleaning jobs. That's why the previous owner bought self-cleaning. You won't be able to use the oven for 2 or 3 hours while
it's cleaning, and another half-hour while it's cooling off. The door
will be locked.
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
That was going to be my question. Why are you screwing around with
ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature? I haven't
seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Yes, and yes. Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean
feature to be effective.
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned
food.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in >> the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the
oven to begin with.
Buy some oven cleaner. That's what it's for. It's formulated to
stick to the oven walls while it works.
Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
The self cleaning works fine, up to the time you use "oven cleaner" in
it. After that your luck may vary. Look it up for your oven.
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and
fridges are harder to clean. Anyone remember that?
Few plastics will survive oven temps, especially self cleaning ones.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
That could be caused by using an oven cleaner in a self cleaning oven.
Or, it could be that the self cleaning cycle will burn it away. Self
clean ovens work really good until you ruin the surface.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
Maybe look for a bulb listed as OK for self cleaning ovens, if such exists.
On 9/29/2023 5:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
That was going to be my question. Why are you screwing around with
ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature? I haven't
seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.
People who use self-cleaning features of ovens and then they cry about
global warming are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Yes, and yes. Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean
feature to be effective.
I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works, but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.
Consumer Reports specifically said one percent of the ovens break down due
to the self cleaning feature being used.
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned
food.
That's a good thing.
It's like you telling me I haven't wasted our precious water watering my
lawn or washing my car or taking three or four baths a day.
Not wasting resources is a good thing.
You seem to think it's a bad thing.
It's not.
It's a good thing.
It's like a BBQ.
It's _supposed_ to be all black.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in >>> the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
You can tell others to waste their money - but I don't waste anything.
I use the bones of the Tilapia as one of the layers of my fertilizer.
And yes, the fertilizer has _all_ the components that it should have.
Pee. Poop. Kitchen scraps. And Tilapia.
If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.
Which is something only Republicans can afford to do.
And which is something only Democrats lie about saying they don't do it.
Bear in mind, both Democrats and Republicans are liars.
They just lie in different ways.
The Democrats waste our resources but they cry about it.
The Republicans waste our resources but they don't care about it.
You can choose which one you are - but I'm neither.
I don't waste our resources if I don't have to.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the
oven to begin with.
You seem to think this "proper maintenenance" matters.
It doesn't.
You clean it when it gets dirty.
Just like you clean your penis.
Buy some oven cleaner. That's what it's for. It's formulated to
stick to the oven walls while it works.
Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.
It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.
I'll make my own lye with table salt in water plus two carbon electrodes
and a 12VDC car battery if I have to but I'm not wasting our precious resources on highly marketed and packaged 1% ingredients like you suggest.
Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.
Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door
glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.
They also recommend leaving the ammonia inside in a non-aluminum bowl,
to loosen the crud - which is what I'm doing now - so the fumes work.
They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your birds, and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.
People who waste energy should be Republicans because then they're not
liars because Republicans don't care. Democrats say they care. But they
lie.
Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the
point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.
On 9/29/2023 1:21 AM, Bob F wrote:
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
The self cleaning works fine, up to the time you use "oven cleaner" in
it. After that your luck may vary. Look it up for your oven.
Consumer Reports said the self cleaning feature causes 1% of ovens to fail. Do you feel lucky today?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and >>>> fridges are harder to clean.ďż˝ Anyone remember that?
Few plastics will survive oven temps, especially self cleaning ones.
This one is covered by a glass bulb so I do agree with you that plastic
won't work in an oven that habitually gets to 500 degrees and if the
wasteful self-cleaning feature is turned on, maybe 800 to 1000 degrees.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
That could be caused by using an oven cleaner in a self cleaning oven.
Consumer Reports said not to do that - but I wonder if you wipe it all away back to the bare metal, how could it matter that you used oven cleaner six months ago and then six months later you used the self-cleaning feature?
I could see a problem if you used both at the same time though.
Or, it could be that the self cleaning cycle will burn it away. Self
clean ovens work really good until you ruin the surface.
Consumer Reports said they have different kinds of self cleaning ovens.
They said the steam type doesn't work well.
But the heat type turns the grease to ash.
They said you still need to do work though.
And you can kill your bird. And yourself. Carbon monoxide. And stink.
Consumer Reports suggested doing it _weeks_ before you have guests.
Because one percent of the time the self cleaning breaks the oven.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
Maybe look for a bulb listed as OK for self cleaning ovens, if such
exists.
Tomorrow I'll hit up Home Depot. I'm pretty sure they'll have the bulbs.
I can't wait to get the thermometers. That way I can check if the oven temperature display is accurate (although who know if the thermometer is what's not accurate).
On 9/29/2023 1:21 AM, Bob F wrote:
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
The self cleaning works fine, up to the time you use "oven cleaner" in
it. After that your luck may vary. Look it up for your oven.
Consumer Reports said the self cleaning feature causes 1% of ovens to fail. Do you feel lucky today?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and >>>> fridges are harder to clean.ďż˝ Anyone remember that?
Few plastics will survive oven temps, especially self cleaning ones.
This one is covered by a glass bulb so I do agree with you that plastic
won't work in an oven that habitually gets to 500 degrees and if the
wasteful self-cleaning feature is turned on, maybe 800 to 1000 degrees.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
That could be caused by using an oven cleaner in a self cleaning oven.
Consumer Reports said not to do that - but I wonder if you wipe it all away back to the bare metal, how could it matter that you used oven cleaner six months ago and then six months later you used the self-cleaning feature?
I could see a problem if you used both at the same time though.
Or, it could be that the self cleaning cycle will burn it away. Self
clean ovens work really good until you ruin the surface.
Consumer Reports said they have different kinds of self cleaning ovens.
They said the steam type doesn't work well.
But the heat type turns the grease to ash.
They said you still need to do work though.
And you can kill your bird. And yourself. Carbon monoxide. And stink.
Consumer Reports suggested doing it _weeks_ before you have guests.
Because one percent of the time the self cleaning breaks the oven.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
Maybe look for a bulb listed as OK for self cleaning ovens, if such
exists.
Tomorrow I'll hit up Home Depot. I'm pretty sure they'll have the bulbs.
I can't wait to get the thermometers. That way I can check if the oven temperature display is accurate (although who know if the thermometer is what's not accurate).
On 9/29/2023 1:21 AM, Bob F wrote:
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
The self cleaning works fine, up to the time you use "oven cleaner" in
it. After that your luck may vary. Look it up for your oven.
Consumer Reports said the self cleaning feature causes 1% of ovens to fail. Do you feel lucky today?
On further thought, digging deep into my memory, I thinnnnk that the
difference with an appliance bulb is that it's covered in plastic, so
when it breaks you wont' get glass all over the place, since stoves and >>>> fridges are harder to clean.ďż˝ Anyone remember that?
Few plastics will survive oven temps, especially self cleaning ones.
This one is covered by a glass bulb so I do agree with you that plastic
won't work in an oven that habitually gets to 500 degrees and if the
wasteful self-cleaning feature is turned on, maybe 800 to 1000 degrees.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
That could be caused by using an oven cleaner in a self cleaning oven.
Consumer Reports said not to do that - but I wonder if you wipe it all away back to the bare metal, how could it matter that you used oven cleaner six months ago and then six months later you used the self-cleaning feature?
I could see a problem if you used both at the same time though.
Or, it could be that the self cleaning cycle will burn it away. Self
clean ovens work really good until you ruin the surface.
Consumer Reports said they have different kinds of self cleaning ovens.
They said the steam type doesn't work well.
But the heat type turns the grease to ash.
They said you still need to do work though.
And you can kill your bird. And yourself. Carbon monoxide. And stink.
Consumer Reports suggested doing it _weeks_ before you have guests.
Because one percent of the time the self cleaning breaks the oven.
The bulb is smaller. So I'll have to buy an "appliance" bulb.
Which is OK. I just don't want it to melt like this one did in between
where the metal is glued onto the glass from the heat.
Maybe look for a bulb listed as OK for self cleaning ovens, if such
exists.
Tomorrow I'll hit up Home Depot. I'm pretty sure they'll have the bulbs.
I can't wait to get the thermometers. That way I can check if the oven temperature display is accurate (although who know if the thermometer is what's not accurate).
On 9/29/2023 5:09 AM, micky wrote:
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
Use the self-cleaning for gosh sakes.˙ Why are you avoiding that?
Depending on where˙ you live, it's cold enough out now that it will
supplement your furnace.
It's a terrible waste of energy befitting of a Republican, that's why.
It's like running your car on full throttle while it's idling in the
driveway just to warm it up. Seems like an awful lot of wasted energy.
Isn't everyone claiming to be a Democrat worried about global warming?
I guess not when it's not convenient they're not worried about it anymore.
Makes them liars.
In the most cynical way.
Wasting energy isn't my thing.
But it does make liars out of the Democrats - so I guess that's what it's useful for (Democrats never tell the truth about anything which you can
tell by watching what they do - which is never what they say they do).
Worse. It's never what they tell YOU to do.
Usually backed up by a law that YOU have to follow.
But not them.
It's how Democrats work.
Republicans too.
Only they don't scream that they are trying not to waste energy.
They just waste it.
By running their expensive self-cleaning ovens.
No liese there.
Just honest to goodness waste of our resources.
They can afford to waste our resources.
That's the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the main.
Both waste our resources.
But one lies about it.
The other doesn't care.
You pick which is best.
Ask any housewife and they will tell you that cleaning the oven is one
of the worst cleaning jobs.˙ That's why the previous owner bought
self-cleaning.˙ You won't be able to use the oven for 2 or 3 hours while
it's cleaning, and another half-hour while it's cooling off.˙ The door
will be locked.
Damn waste of energy.
I've been looking up how the baking soda and vinegar works, and how the sodium hydroxide (lye) works - which is basically to turn the grease into soap by the saponification method.
That's less wasteful. And befitting of a Democrat.
I did look up how the self cleaning works though.
As you said, it turns the grease into ash.
But only Democrats should use it because it proves they are all liars.
And I love when that happens. :)
BTW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican.
But I'm not a liar either.
Otherwise, I'd be a Democrat.
Nor do I waste our resources.
Otherwise I'd be a Republican.
I am making a point (albeit maybe too strongly) that if anyone _is_ a Democrat, then they are liars if they use the self-cleaning feature of the oven instead of elbow grease.
It's an absolutely terrible waste of energy.
Only Republicans should waste our energy because they can afford it. :)
That could be caused by using an oven cleaner in a self cleaning oven.
Consumer Reports said not to do that - but I wonder if you wipe it all away back to the bare metal, how could it matter that you used oven cleaner six months ago and then six months later you used the self-cleaning feature?
If you wipe it back to bare metal, the self cleaning coating is gone,
and it will never work right again. Oven cleaners can damage that coating.
On 9/29/2023 5:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think,
That was going to be my question. Why are you screwing around with
ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature? I haven't
seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.
People who use self-cleaning features of ovens
and then they cry about
global warming
are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Yes, and yes. Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean
feature to be effective.
I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works, >but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.
Consumer Reports specifically said one percent of the ovens break down due
to the self cleaning feature being used.
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned
food.
That's a good thing.
It's like you telling me I haven't wasted our precious water watering my
lawn or washing my car or taking three or four baths a day.
Not wasting resources is a good thing.
You seem to think it's a bad thing.
It's not.
It's a good thing.
It's like a BBQ.
It's _supposed_ to be all black.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in >>> the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
You can tell others to waste their money - but I don't waste anything.
I use the bones of the Tilapia as one of the layers of my fertilizer.
And yes, the fertilizer has _all_ the components that it should have.
Pee. Poop. Kitchen scraps. And Tilapia.
If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources >becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.
Which is something only Republicans can afford to do.
And which is something only Democrats lie about saying they don't do it.
Bear in mind, both Democrats and Republicans are liars.
They just lie in different ways.
The Democrats waste our resources but they cry about it.
The Republicans waste our resources but they don't care about it.
You can choose which one you are - but I'm neither.
I don't waste our resources if I don't have to.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the
oven to begin with.
You seem to think this "proper maintenenance" matters.
It doesn't.
You clean it when it gets dirty.
Just like you clean your penis.
Buy some oven cleaner. That's what it's for. It's formulated to
stick to the oven walls while it works.
Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.
It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.
I'll make my own lye with table salt in water plus two carbon electrodes
and a 12VDC car battery if I have to but I'm not wasting our precious >resources on highly marketed and packaged 1% ingredients like you suggest.
Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.
Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using >too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door
glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.
They also recommend leaving the ammonia inside in a non-aluminum bowl,
to loosen the crud - which is what I'm doing now - so the fumes work.
They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your >birds,
and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to
keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.
People who waste energy should be Republicans because then they're not
liars because Republicans don't care. Democrats say they care. But they
lie.
Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the
point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the >environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.
Maybe look for a bulb listed as OK for self cleaning ovens, if such exists.
Tomorrow I'll hit up Home Depot. I'm pretty sure they'll have the bulbs.
I can't wait to get the thermometers. That way I can check if the oven >temperature display is accurate (although who know if the thermometer is >what's not accurate).
And then you throw in idiotic twisted up politics.
Sorry I tried to help.
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
First I heard about this, Cindy. I thought if you cooked the fish until
the translucent flesh turned white, that was enough. ??????
Are people confusing the self cleaning and continious cleaning ovenr ?
I can necer remember which is which but one runs the oven at high heat
for a couple of hours. I doubt the Easyoff will do much damage to that >kind. I have one like that the other has some kind of coating that the >cleaners like Easyoff will destroy.
I am not sure how that one works to
stay clean.
On 9/29/2023 2:07 AM, Bradley wrote:
On 9/29/2023 5:09 AM, micky wrote:
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
Use the self-cleaning for gosh sakes.˙ Why are you avoiding that?
Depending on where˙ you live, it's cold enough out now that it will
supplement your furnace.
It's a terrible waste of energy befitting of a Republican, that's why.
It's like running your car on full throttle while it's idling in the
driveway just to warm it up. Seems like an awful lot of wasted energy.
Isn't everyone claiming to be a Democrat worried about global warming?
I guess not when it's not convenient they're not worried about it anymore. >>
Makes them liars.
In the most cynical way.
Wasting energy isn't my thing.
But it does make liars out of the Democrats - so I guess that's what it's
useful for (Democrats never tell the truth about anything which you can
tell by watching what they do - which is never what they say they do).
Worse. It's never what they tell YOU to do.
Usually backed up by a law that YOU have to follow.
But not them.
It's how Democrats work.
Republicans too.
Only they don't scream that they are trying not to waste energy.
They just waste it.
By running their expensive self-cleaning ovens.
No liese there.
Just honest to goodness waste of our resources.
They can afford to waste our resources.
That's the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the main.
Both waste our resources.
But one lies about it.
The other doesn't care.
You pick which is best.
Ask any housewife and they will tell you that cleaning the oven is one
of the worst cleaning jobs.˙ That's why the previous owner bought
self-cleaning.˙ You won't be able to use the oven for 2 or 3 hours while >>> it's cleaning, and another half-hour while it's cooling off.˙ The door
will be locked.
Damn waste of energy.
I've been looking up how the baking soda and vinegar works, and how the
sodium hydroxide (lye) works - which is basically to turn the grease into
soap by the saponification method.
That's less wasteful. And befitting of a Democrat.
I did look up how the self cleaning works though.
As you said, it turns the grease into ash.
But only Democrats should use it because it proves they are all liars.
And I love when that happens. :)
BTW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican.
But I'm not a liar either.
Otherwise, I'd be a Democrat.
Nor do I waste our resources.
Otherwise I'd be a Republican.
I am making a point (albeit maybe too strongly) that if anyone _is_ a
Democrat, then they are liars if they use the self-cleaning feature of the >> oven instead of elbow grease.
It's an absolutely terrible waste of energy.
Only Republicans should waste our energy because they can afford it. :)
WOW! what an incredible RANT!
MY self cleaning oven is very well insulated. It hardly heats up the
kitchen a few degrees. And it is heating season now anyway.
And then you throw in idiotic twisted up politics.
Sorry I tried to help.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other
source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot
of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish,
wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other
source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
Consumer Reports said not to do that - but I wonder if you wipe it all away >> back to the bare metal, how could it matter that you used oven cleaner six >> months ago and then six months later you used the self-cleaning feature?
If you wipe it back to bare metal, the self cleaning coating is gone,
and it will never work right again. Oven cleaners can damage that coating.
They said you still need to do work though.
Wipe out the crumbs. Big deal.
And you can kill your bird. And yourself. Carbon monoxide. And stink.
Turn on your friggin' exhaust fan.
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I >> will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot >> of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish,
wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a
swordfish steak for my husband last week.
On 9/29/2023 3:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I >> will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot >> of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish,
wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
The seafood you mention are scavengers and were built to process what
they find on the floor.
Tilapia are not built that way and are often farmed near sewage outlets,
not the wild poop crabs eat. The blame, IMO, mostly goes with the cheap
way they are farmed. I'd not put one on my plate.
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I >>> will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot >>> of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, >>> wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
People who use self-cleaning features of ovens and then they cry about
global warming are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.
Self-cleaning ovens are such a small part of the problem. The chemicals
you use are probably worse. Where do you think ammonia comes from?'
It's like a BBQ.
It's _supposed_ to be all black.
No, it's not.
If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources
becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.
I don't fertilize anything. I don't water my lawn. Assume much?
You clean it when it gets dirty.
When it gets dirty. Not when it's completely crapped up with
burned-on filth.
Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.
It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.
And ammonia isn't?
Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using >> too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door
glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.
Jesus, you're an idiot.
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>>>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I
will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot
of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, >>>> wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying
for the memberhship.
People who use self-cleaning features of ovens
I don't use the oven much and as I said, I've used self-cleaning a bunch
of times, maybe 6 times in 40 years. How much environmental damage does
6 times do in comparison to everything else I do? We're only
suggesting to you that you use it once.
and then they cry about
global warming
I don't cry about global warming. I think we've already lost the battle
and there will be dire consequences. We can delay them somewhat, but I don't dicuss it.
I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works, >>but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.
Below you say 1%. How is this not like incandescent light bulbs that
burn out when you turn them on. Does that mean turning on a light bulb
burns it out? It's just the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Not wasting resources is a good thing.
This is a popular response technique. I don't know if it's listed in
the list of logical fallacies, but it should be. That is:
Cindy writes about one specific thing that you consider *wasting*
resources, and you reply about any sort of extra use of resources, as if Cindy had written about the group of them.
You seem to think it's a bad thing.
And here you do it again. Cindy said nothing of the sort.
And who says that it's wasting? Why is it wasting anymore than any
other use of resources?
YOU are the one complaining about caked on dirt
on your oven. If you or the previous owner had cleaned it more often,
it wouldn't be like that.
So it's failure to use resources, either Easy
Off and human effort or Self-cleaning, that created the problem you are complaining about. --- So now the question is, is using self-cleaning
worse for moral or environmental reasons, without corresponding benefit,
than cleaning it by hand.
Do you wash dishes under running water, instead of using a dishpan
filled with water and soap and another for rinsing? Washing under
running water is wasteful.
Do you use the dish washer for mildly dirty dishes without a full
dishwasher. This requires algebra and 4 variables but sometiems it's wasteful to use the dishwasher, certainly if it's not full. I think sometimes it's the opposite of wasteful but I'm not sure.
You clean it when it gets dirty.
Just like you clean your penis.
There is a recent notion that if one uses the "proper" medical term for
a person's private parts it's acceptable to discuss them in mixed
company. That is not true. It's a degradation of society not to use a euphemism.
Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.
It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.
When you use soap, it all goes down the drain. Isnt that wasteful?
Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using >>too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door >>glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.
That was Cindy's point, "[Oven cleane is] formulated to stick to the
oven walls while it works."
They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your >>birds,
Goo to know, but I don't have any birds (and I use self-cleaning)
and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to
keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.
In the winter, the heat of self-cleaning means your furnace doesn't run
as much.
Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the >>point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the >>environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.
Baloney. Being inconsisstent is not the same as being duplicitous, and
in the cases you're describing the inconsistency is accidental, so it's
even farther from duplicitous.
WOW! what an incredible RANT!
MY self cleaning oven is very well insulated. It hardly heats up the
kitchen a few degrees. And it is heating season now anyway.
And then you throw in idiotic twisted up politics.
Sorry I tried to help.
I doubt that there was ever an actual oven behind this rant.
He's probably just trolling.
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>>>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I
will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot
of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, >>>> wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying
for the memberhship.
On 9/29/2023 2:40 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
I doubt that there was ever an actual oven behind this rant.
He's probably just trolling.
Based on what?
A. The jokes?
B. The photos?
C. The questions?
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:01:55 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty >>>>>> stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>>>>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I
will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot
of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
Never heard of it and never noticed it, Geosmin is a natural bicyclic terpene with an earthy odor. According to The Merck Index, it is the
“major volatile component of beet essence, also . . . the potent earthy odor contaminant of fish, beans, [and] water.” The human nose can detect
it at concentrations in air as low as 5 ppt. parts per trillion!
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, >>>>> wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a
swordfish steak for my husband last week.
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying
for the memberhship.
Me too. I didn't have to look because no store does.
Although 20 years after they opened I heard that you can buy a membership, cancel in the middle of the year, and get your membership
fee back. Was this a leniency because they're short of customers, or
did they always do this? Or is the membership not really for revenue
but to make people feel special?
If you can do this, I thought of going through the store once to see
what they've got.
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying
for the memberhship.
If you can do this, I thought of going through the store once to see
what they've got.
Call them and ask. Or go with a friend or neighbor.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 17:15:22 -0700, Bob F ><bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
If you can do this, I thought of going through the store once to see
what they've got.
Call them and ask. Or go with a friend or neighbor.
Good idea. I think they once said I could.
It used to be the case that anyone could use the Costco pharmacy, with or without a membership, so that could be a reason to get you through the door. Once you're inside, 'get lost' for a bit.
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty >>>>>> stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no other >>>>>> source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and lobsters? I
will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too tasty without a lot
of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod, swordfish, >>>>> wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>>>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8 pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying
for the memberhship.
My membership pays for itself, with cash back.
Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> writes:
On 9/29/2023 2:40 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
I doubt that there was ever an actual oven behind this rant.
He's probably just trolling.
Based on what?
A. The jokes?
B. The photos?
C. The questions?
D. The posting style, which is strangely reminiscent of Arlen?
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:56:08 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and
lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too
tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod,
swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region.
It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a
swordfish steak for my husband last week.
For $40 a pound I want something off an Angus and dry aged. My standards were set in the '50s.
Where I grew up everybody ate fish on Friday
including the Prods with restaurants having Friday specials.
It wasn't
expensive for recognizable species. Pollock was considered trash fish and stuff like swai was unheard of.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:06:12 -0400, Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:
Tried to clean oven that has never been cleaned as far as I can tell.
Mostly I cleaned the glass with ammonia & tried to replace the dead bulb.
Words on the bulb are 30 Watt Sylvania 130VAC Appliance Bulb
Removed the bulb glass screw-in cover and cleaned by dunking in ammonia
(how does ammonia clean off baked on black encased cooked grease anyway?).
Got me. I thought one needed oven clener.
Anyway, the appliance bulb broke away from the metal (so I have to remove
the thin metal threads somehow) - are built-in ovens hard wired or plugs?
Even if it's plugged in, isn't it easier to swithc off the breaker than
to pull out the oven?
Assuming I get the metal from the bulb out of the socket deep in the back
Wear a glove because of the glass left. If you can't twist that out,
stab a long narrow screwdriver through the bulb's base and twist that.
(Or use 2, like chopsticks?)
of the oven without being electrocuted - do they make LED bulbs for these
things yet? Or do I need to replace the bulb with another incandescent?
And how exactly does the chemistry (Frank?) of the ammonia work?
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:38:43 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote:
It used to be the case that anyone could use the Costco pharmacy, with or
without a membership, so that could be a reason to get you through the door. >> Once you're inside, 'get lost' for a bit.
As far as I know, alcohol, cigarettes, eyeglasses and the pharmacy don't
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:58:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty >>>>>>> stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no >>>>>>> other source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and
lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too >>>>>> tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me.
Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod,It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>>>>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region. >>>>>
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8
pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying >>>for the memberhship.
My membership pays for itself, with cash back.
I usually break even and that's good enough for me. If I buy a high ticket >item like a computer I do a little better with the rebate. The depressing >thing is I only use their credit card at CostCo so every month I'm
reminded of how much I ate. I keep telling myself it's really the gas >purchases.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:58:40 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:Have you tried walleye? Or good trout?
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:02:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty >>>>>>>> stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no >>>>>>>> other source of nutrition is available).
Are you familiar with the dining habits of catfish, crabs, and
lobsters? I will admit tilapia and the vague 'rockfish' aren't too >>>>>>> tasty without a lot of yellow curry paste and coconut milk.
I don't eat catfish, either. All freshwater fish tastes muddy to me. >>>>>
Yep. I can taste the geosmin in all freshwaterfish.
'A little more' is not quite accurate. Halibut, haddock, cod,It depends on your standards. I paid either $30 or $40/pound for a >>>>>>swordfish steak for my husband last week.
swordfish, wild salmon and so forth are up in the nosebleed region. >>>>>>
Wild salmon was $12/lb at Costco last week.
Neither of us likes wild salmon.
Farmed atlantic salmon was $11/lb (it used to be about $8
pre-pandemic).
Costco doesn't have enough things I want to buy to make it worth paying >>>>for the memberhship.
My membership pays for itself, with cash back.
I usually break even and that's good enough for me. If I buy a high ticket >>item like a computer I do a little better with the rebate. The depressing >>thing is I only use their credit card at CostCo so every month I'm >>reminded of how much I ate. I keep telling myself it's really the gas >>purchases.
Gas doesn't count towards the executive rebate, however.
I find their fruit to be fresher and cosmetically pleasing
when compared to the grocery stores. Particulary cherries
(in season), grapes and blueberries are generally superior.
Meat and fish are generally of high quality. The rotisserie
chicken is a steal (half again as large as the grocery store
chickens and still 4.99 each).
They are the only source of Morning Summit breakfast cereal.
The pizza kits are excellent (both full sized with four
crusts and four sauce packets and the small
8" boboli kits (8 crusts, 8 sauce packets)). Canadian Bacon
and Sauerkraut pizza!
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:19:36 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:56:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
They look so good, but the 3 times I've cracked and bought one, they
were dry, overcooked. What else, after sitting there.
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to
wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I will admit to some skepticism at first. A friend who was a programmer
for a large Northwest grocery chain alleged the chickens that made it to
the rotisserie were a bit past their sell date to put it lightly.
I'm also wary of the conveniently pre-seasoned meats I see in the stores.
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 09:23:44 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to
wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I can't imagine they can sell chickens cooked to a temperature that
enables the white meat to be juicy.
Overall the chicken is juicy. As far as I'm concerned the white meat is never juicy no matter how you prepare it.
At one point boneless, skinless
chicken breasts were cheap and I ate a lot of them baked. Now they cause
a gag reflex. Usually I get the boneless, skinless thighs. They have some taste at least. If I do get white meat it's for stir fry, curry, or something else that adds some flavor.
On 2023-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:19:36 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:56:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
They look so good, but the 3 times I've cracked and bought one, they
were dry, overcooked. What else, after sitting there.
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to
wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I can't imagine they can sell chickens cooked to a temperature that
enables the white meat to be juicy.
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:19:36 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:56:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
They look so good, but the 3 times I've cracked and bought one, they
were dry, overcooked. What else, after sitting there.
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to
wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I can't imagine they can sell chickens cooked to a temperature that
enables the white meat to be juicy.
You should try one. I agree with Bowman, they're nicely
prepared.
And the carcass makes great broth.
On 2023-10-01, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:19:36 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:56:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton >>>>> <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
They look so good, but the 3 times I've cracked and bought one, they >>>>> were dry, overcooked. What else, after sitting there.
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to >>>> wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I can't imagine they can sell chickens cooked to a temperature that
enables the white meat to be juicy.
You should try one. I agree with Bowman, they're nicely
prepared.
Do you like breast meat? Or do you eat the thighs?
And the carcass makes great broth.
So, I should join Costco to buy a rotisserie chicken that I probably
won't like and perhaps won't eat all of.
Overall the chicken is juicy. As far as I'm concerned the white meat is
never juicy no matter how you prepare it.
Opinions vary. I can produce a juicy grilled skinless, boneless chicken >breast on the gas grill.
I don't eat dark meat. Thighs have a slimy mouthfeel that makes me gag.
At one point boneless, skinless
chicken breasts were cheap and I ate a lot of them baked. Now they cause >> a gag reflex. Usually I get the boneless, skinless thighs. They have some >> taste at least. If I do get white meat it's for stir fry, curry, or
something else that adds some flavor.
White meat has plenty of flavor. The only thing that has no flavor
is distilled water.
On 2023-10-01, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:
On 2023-09-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 15:19:36 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:56:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton >>>>> <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
I wouldn't use a rotisserie chicken if it were free.
They look so good, but the 3 times I've cracked and bought one, they >>>>> were dry, overcooked. What else, after sitting there.
Obviously you've never had one from CostCo. Bring plenty of napkins to >>>> wipe up the juice running down your chin.
I can't imagine they can sell chickens cooked to a temperature that >>>enables the white meat to be juicy.
You should try one. I agree with Bowman, they're nicely
prepared.
Do you like breast meat? Or do you eat the thighs?
And the carcass makes great broth.
So, I should join Costco to buy a rotisserie chicken that I probably
won't like and perhaps won't eat all of.
I roast my own chicken or turkey for broth. I don't need the shortcut.
Any strong alkali will turn fats and grease into water miscible soaps. Household ammonia is probably the least effective of them.
Anyway, the appliance bulb broke away from the metal (so I have to remove >>> the thin metal threads somehow) - are built-in ovens hard wired or plugs? >>Even if it's plugged in, isn't it easier to swithc off the breaker than
to pull out the oven?
Just make sure you isolate the right circuit before working on it. A
pair of pointed nose pliers will get the screw fitting out most times.
On 2023-09-29, Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:
On 9/29/2023 5:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I just noticed this oven has a "self cleaning" feature, which, I think, >>That was going to be my question. Why are you screwing around with
ammonia when you can just use the self-cleaning feature? I haven't
seen an oven without self-clean in about 30 years.
People who use self-cleaning features of ovens and then they cry about global warming are why I don't plan on using the self-cleaning feature.
Self-cleaning ovens are such a small part of the problem. The chemicals
you use are probably worse. Where do you think ammonia comes from?
Anyone use the self cleaning feature?
Does it work?
Yes, and yes. Your oven might be too far gone for the self-clean
feature to be effective.
I just read the Consumer Reports on self-cleaning ovens. They say it works, but there are a lot of indications that it breaks the ovens too.
Consumer Reports specifically said one percent of the ovens break down due to the self cleaning feature being used.
If I admit that, you'll think I haven't been maintaining the home.
You haven't been maintaining the oven if it's crusted up with burned
food.
That's a good thing.
It's like you telling me I haven't wasted our precious water watering my lawn or washing my car or taking three or four baths a day.
Not wasting resources is a good thing.
You seem to think it's a bad thing.
It's not.
It's a good thing.
It's like a BBQ.
It's _supposed_ to be all black.
No, it's not.
The reason I cleaned it is a woman had all four limbs amputated recently in
the news because she ate uncooked tilapia fish so I wanted to put a
I think the moral of that story is: don't eat tilapia. It's nasty
stuff. Spend a little more on fish that doesn't eat poop (when no
other source of nutrition is available).
You can tell others to waste their money - but I don't waste anything.
I use the bones of the Tilapia as one of the layers of my fertilizer.
And yes, the fertilizer has _all_ the components that it should have.
Pee. Poop. Kitchen scraps. And Tilapia.
If you don't make your own fertilizer, then you are wasting our resources becaue you have to use Nitrogen made by the Bessler process.
I don't fertilize anything. I don't water my lawn. Assume much?
Which is something only Republicans can afford to do.
And which is something only Democrats lie about saying they don't do it.
Bear in mind, both Democrats and Republicans are liars.
They just lie in different ways.
The Democrats waste our resources but they cry about it.
The Republicans waste our resources but they don't care about it.
You can choose which one you are - but I'm neither.
I don't waste our resources if I don't have to.
Anyone know what's the best chemical to clean an oven?
It has black baked on crud everywhere.
I suppose you can't jump in a time machine and properly maintain the
oven to begin with.
You seem to think this "proper maintenenance" matters.
It doesn't.
You clean it when it gets dirty.
When it gets dirty. Not when it's completely crapped up with
burned-on filth.
Just like you clean your penis.
If I had a penis, I might spout complete bullshit.
Buy some oven cleaner. That's what it's for. It's formulated to
stick to the oven walls while it works.
Again. Oven Cleaner is a waste of resources.
It's 1% lye and 99% wasteful crap that goes into the atmosphere.
And ammonia isn't?
I'll make my own lye with table salt in water plus two carbon electrodes and a 12VDC car battery if I have to but I'm not wasting our precious resources on highly marketed and packaged 1% ingredients like you suggest.
Don't try heating the oven while Easy Off is in there.
Consumer Reports suggested using ammonia but they also suggested not using too much because then the liquid spills down the _inside_ of the door glass, which is EXACTLY what happened to me when I used to much of it.
Jesus, you're an idiot.
They also recommend leaving the ammonia inside in a non-aluminum bowl,
to loosen the crud - which is what I'm doing now - so the fumes work.
They also said when you use the wasteful oven cleaner, it can kill your birds, and it can create carbon monoxide which can kill you so you need to keep a few windows open - which in the winter will waste even more energy.
People who waste energy should be Republicans because then they're not liars because Republicans don't care. Democrats say they care. But they lie.
Note that I'm being hard on both Democrats and Republicans to make the point that anyone who uses the oven cleaner and who _then_ cries about the environment is being duplicitous and therefore not true to their own words.
my drain is to a
self-contained septic system of some sort
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