Re: Re: pros and cons
By: Morningstarr to nelgin on Sat Dec 20 2025 06:15 pm
the internet did not kill bbsing. sysops killed bbsing. they never worked together and they did not adapt soon enough. at best, sysops got
together and build their little fishbowl communities. that never works.
they try to beat the internet and that never works.
The plus side is that it's highly configurable and the downside is there's a learning curve if you don't know JavaScript, and if you do, you may have
Well I used to run a board and got pretty good at Baja. JavaScript went right over my head. I won't run another board again, especially synchronet. I would ask a question and get ripped a new one. People would be mean to me and always, always, said read the documentation. lol, I read the documentation. I probably read it more than most, spent days and
the internet did not kill bbsing. sysops killed bbsing. they never worked together and they did not adapt soon enough. at best, sysops got together and build their little fishbowl communities. that never works. they try to beat the internet and that never works.
He does have some of the best patience I've seen in this hobby, though!
If a wiki article sucks, there are much better ways to prove your case. Usually the best result is to figure why it sucks and fix it. That's the whole purpose of a wiki. I cannot be written for every single edge case
out there and the only way to improve is by users adding to it.
He sure does. He's a "pull up a chair and let's have a cup of tea and
talk abour your issues" kinda guy. I'm more of the "I'll smote the
fucker and all problems are resolved" type :)
There are characters that would test the patience of a nun that's for
sure.
You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you
have to program. So no offense but I disagree a little on that. I also refuse to use anything Microsoft touches anymore. The last straw was
their latest price hike on their console and game pass.
Sorry I didn’t quote. I’m using muffinterm and I can’t use an
editor with it because control keys do not exist on iPad.
His wiki obviously doesn’t suck. Look at all the great boards created
from his wiki. It’s probably just me dude.
Re: Re: pros and cons
By: Morningstarr to nelgin on Sat Dec 20 2025 06:15 pm
the internet did not kill bbsing. sysops killed bbsing. they never
worked together and they did not adapt soon enough. at best, sysops
got together and build their little fishbowl communities. that never works. they try to beat the internet and that never works.
Well that's a valid point. I could see how sysops ruined bbsing.
Most of the ones I came across, aside from a few, are extremely
rude know it alls.
/If/ a wiki article sucks. However, it doesn't. The dude just had an old version of Synchronet installed that didn't yet support the feature he was looking for, which was his main issue for everything he tried on said wiki not working. That's why the wiki sucked in his eyes.
Hey Morningstarr!
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 18:01:38 -0800, you wrote:
You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you have to program. So no offense but I disagree a little on that. I also refuse to use anything Microsoft touches anymore. The last straw was their latest price hike on their console and game pass.
Most BBS softwares don't use scripting or have a programming language that w with them at all. Sure, a couple of the softwares brought up in this conversation actually do, but most don't. So I'm not sure where this comment comes from. You don't /need/ to program anything at all. Old school menu editing, Modifying prompts, changing all the screens, putting content on the that isn't the same as everyone else's, etc. doesn't involve programming.
Sorry I didn't quote. I'm using muffinterm and I can't use an
editor with it because control keys do not exist on iPad.
With SlyEdit, for example, you don't need control keys. On an empty line, "/ can be used to quote, "/S" can be used to save, as well as other options. Th may even be an option in some other external editors, and maybe even Synchronet's line editor (but I haven't used them recently, so that's why I brought up SlyEdit specifically).
Regards,
Nick
... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
With SlyEdit, for example, you don't need control keys. On an empty
line, "/ > can be used to quote, "/S" can be used to save, as well
as other options. Th > may even be an option in some other external editors, and maybe even Synchronet's line editor (but I haven't
used them recently, so that's why I brought up SlyEdit
specifically).
so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!
Morningstarr wrote to Accession <=-
Re: pros and cons
By: Accession to Morningstarr on Sun Dec 21 2025 08:46 am
You can setup a default board, draw some mediocre and I and install a
few door games. However, to make it your own board and deck it out, you have to program.
Most BBS softwares don't use scripting or have a programming language that w with them at all. Sure, a couple of the softwares brought up in this conversation actually do, but most don't. So I'm not sure where this comment comes from. You don't /need/ to program anything at all. Old school menu editing, Modifying prompts, changing all the screens, putting content on the that isn't the same as everyone else's, etc. doesn't involve programming.
so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!
so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!
Hey Morningstarr!
On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 15:48:02 -0800, you wrote:
so writing java script isnt programming? thanks for the tips dude!
Sure it is. However, That's not what I said. I gave just about every
You don't *need* to write (or even know how to write) javascript
in order to modify a Synchronet BBS. That was my point, that
apparantly you didn't get out of my message. ;(
i dunno. i think it depends on the extent. i would call some of it scripting. Like i use perl for simple things. I dont feel i'm programming. the same with .js.
i dunno. i think it depends on the extent. i would call some of it scripting. Like i use perl for simple things. I dont feel i'm
programming. the same with .js.
I would still throw that in the programming category, but my point was that you don't /need/ to use javascript, or perl, or any programming language for that matter, to modify a BBS. Some of the most modded systems I've seen over the years were OBV/2 and Renegade - which have no scripting, programming, or anything like that. It was all simple menu editing and TheDraw ansimations.
Is scripting not programming?
Is scripting not programming?
Someone once a long time ago explained to me that scripting was not considered "true programming" since there was little to no consideration for lower-level concepts like memory management and garbage collection and stuff like that. I disagreed with this person, but I understood where they were coming from.
Traditional DistinctionsIs scripting not programming?
Programming (CPU/System Focus): Historically, "programming" refers to creating standalone software from scratch using compiled languages like C++ or Rust. These programs are translated into machine code that the CPU executes directly to perform complex, resource-intensive tasks like building operating systems or game engines.
Scripting (Program/Automation Focus): "Scripting" traditionally involves writing instructions to control or automate an existing program or environment. Scripts are typically interpreted line-by-line at runtime by another program (a "host" or interpreter) rather than the CPU directly.
I would say both are considered programming.
Traditional Distinctions
Programming (CPU/System Focus): Historically, "programming" refers to creating standalone software from scratch using compiled languages like C++ or Rust. These programs are translated into machine code that the CPU executes directly to perform complex, resource-intensive tasks like building operating systems or game engines.
Scripting (Program/Automation Focus): "Scripting" traditionally involves writing instructions to control or automate an existing program or environment. Scripts are typically interpreted line-by-line at runtime by another program (a "host" or interpreter) rather than the CPU directly.
I would say both are considered programming.
Yeah, I feel like both can be considered programming. There have
been entire programs written in Python, for instances, which has traditionally been thought of as a scripting language. The lines
are definitely blurred. But when it comes to things like writing
Windows batch files or *NIX shell scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm usually trying to automate
something and it isn't compiled.
But when it comes to things like writing Windows batch files or *NIX shell
scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm
usually trying to automate something and it isn't compiled.
I can bash script, just as good as i could probably do batch files. THAT is not programming.
There is a HUGE difference. You programmers can argue all you want. But, look at it at this angle: I'm a legit construction (Ironworker) foreman. I build shit that is used (as in your office buildings) and/or driven on (bridges), on a daily basis). I don't do a single fucking thing you guys do in your comfortable/uncomfortable chair at work.
I agree, both achieve the same result, get the machine to do what you want it to. The only difference really is the speed of execution and whether or not you need to worry about memory management. Today, the syntax between many different languages is so similiar, I can quickly convert code between C/C#/JavaScript with much thought.
need to worry about memory management. Today's language syntax so similiar, you can easily convert code between C/C#/JavaScript without much effort.
I would say both are considered programming.
Yeah, I feel like both can be considered programming. There have been entire programs written in Python, for instances, which has traditionally been thought of as a scripting language. The lines are definitely blurred. But when it comes to things like writing Windows batch files or *NIX shell scripts, I do tend to call those 'scripting', since in those cases, I'm usually trying to automate something and it isn't compiled.
What's with the angry tone here?
Merry Christmas, man..
I have done a lot of HTML coding, that I would say is definatley not programming.
Why Batch feels different
Batch files are essentially just a list of commands you would normally type into the Command Prompt, saved into a file so you don't have to type them twice.
When you added variables and logic, you were actually using the fundamental building blocks of computer science:
Someone once a long time ago explained to me that scripting was not consider "true programming" since there was little to no consideration for lower-leve
performing a command, and maybe even doing something else after the fact (NOT PROGRAMMING).
I'd call batch structured programming, compared to something like EXPECT, which I'd forgotten about. EXPECT was like a scripting language for the command line, looking for output from programs and entering input - you could use it to script a login to a PPP account for example. That feels like the "batch file" description you describe.
the C programmers I knew would scoffingly state that HTML is a MARKUP LANGUAGE, not CODE.
Like it or not, when you're scripting you're laying out a set of instructions for the computer to perform, in whatever language, and
that's pretty much programming (these days).
I don't think I could ever call myself a programmer because I can write a ba script that changes directories a few times and runs already compiled progra
If you were to paint a picture, does that automatically make you a
painter or an artist?
If you were to paint a picture, does that automatically make you a
painter or an artist?
No, and I think that was kind of the whole point I was alluding to in
this conversation?
You were saying it's not programming because you wouldn't call yourself
a programmer. Just because you write a program doesn't mean you're a programmer much like just because you paint a picture doesn't mean
you're an artist/painter.
* Yes, I used broccoli instead of oranges to avoid you comparing the two as both being fruit.
You do not need to write a single line of JS to customize your
Synchronet BBS. Read that a few more times until you understand it.
You *CAN* write custom JS to do certain things, or modify existing JS
(which doesn't usually require much JS knowledge), but you don't *have*
to. That's the point.
Now, since you don't intend to run a BBS anyway, why don't you stop your trolling and ..... go away.
Re: Re: pros and cons
By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 24 2025 07:36 pm
I think that's sort of basically what I said? As I said above, I tend to call that scripting.
What's with the angry tone here?
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