Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 07:33 pm

I would like to know more about how syops like to receive
their FTN packets.

1: Routed through the hub infrastructure so they arrive as secure
2: Routed directly from the sender and don't care if secure
3: Either is fine with me as long as it gets here

This poll is kind of vague.

For echomail packets, my answer is 1. For netmail packets, it's 3.

"Routed directly" doesn't really make sense. "Routed" implies a hop, not direct.
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:12:12

This poll is kind of vague.

Thanks.

For echomail packets, my answer is 1. For netmail packets, it's 3.

Interesting. I would have thought, if anything, it would be the other way around. You'd want to make sure netmail was secure. Anyone could just dump anything otherwise? I guess same could be true of echomail.

"Routed directly" doesn't really make sense. "Routed" implies a hop, not direct.

Obviously, I meant that the sending system would send it direct. There's only a couple of people in my life that would be picky enough to point that out.

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:33:40

Cheater!

5731/#15897 nelgin *POLL How do you prefer your FTN packets?
5732/#15898 Digital Man nelgin How do you prefer your FTN packets?
5733/#15899 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15897
5734/#15900 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15684
5735/#15901 KrAAB *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15897


You voted twice.

attr 1800h (UPVOTE, DOWNVOTE)

tho not sure how it can be an UPVOTE and a DOWNVOTE?

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to gamgee on Sun Nov 17 2024 07:59 am

Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:33:40

Cheater!

5731/#15897 nelgin *POLL How do you prefer your FTN packets?
5732/#15898 Digital Man nelgin How do you prefer your FTN packets?
5733/#15899 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15897
5734/#15900 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15684
5735/#15901 KrAAB *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15897

You voted twice.

attr 1800h (UPVOTE, DOWNVOTE)

tho not sure how it can be an UPVOTE and a DOWNVOTE?

But.... I didn't.

I think I may have *looked* at the poll once but not voted, and then went back again later and voted.

I smell a bug.
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to gamgee on Sun Nov 17 2024 07:59 am

Cheater!

5733/#15899 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15897
5734/#15900 Gamgee *VOTE 0001 on msg/poll #15684

You voted twice.

Yeah, that shouldn't normally be possible.

attr 1800h (UPVOTE, DOWNVOTE)

tho not sure how it can be an UPVOTE and a DOWNVOTE?

The combination of those 2 attributes says it's a vote on a poll.
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:33:40

I would like to know more about how syops like to receive
their FTN packets.

1: Routed through the hub infrastructure so they arrive as secure [2 66.67%] û
2: Routed directly from the sender and don't care if secure [0 0.00%]
3: Either is fine with me as long as it gets here [1 33.33%] û

What do you mean by secure?

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Keyop to nelgin on Sun Nov 17 2024 21:47:33

What do you mean by secure?

We got a wiki for that

https://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho?s[]=Secure%20Operation

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to Keyop on Mon Nov 18 2024 04:38:23

https://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho?s[]=Secure%20Operation

I didnt know this was a toggle option and assumed it did that anyway .....

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:33:40

1: Routed through the hub infrastructure so they arrive as se [3
60.00%] û 2: Routed directly from the sender and don't care if secure [0 0.00%]
3: Either is fine with me as long as it gets here [2
40.00%] û
To vote in this poll, press V now.

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very confused...

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to on Sat Nov 16 2024 19:33:40

1: Routed through the hub infrastructure so they arrive as se [3
60.00%] % 2: Routed directly from the sender and don't care if secure [0 0.00%]
3: Either is fine with me as long as it gets here [2
40.00%] %
To vote in this poll, press V now.

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very
confused...

Well, it was a very confusing poll to begin with... :-)

Could have been worded better/more correctly.



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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to All on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:23 am

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very confused...

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 12:59:42

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?

"it" https://pasteboard.co/XhgpcUN39P3h.png

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Re: Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Gamgee to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 13:50:54

Well, it was a very confusing poll to begin with... :-)

Could have been worded better/more correctly.

Would you like me to explain it to you?

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 12:59 pm

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very confused...

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?

When viewing a poll, if the poll is from you, DDMsgReader shows who voted on it. I thought the stock reader did this (which is why I had DDMsgReader do this), but it's been a while, so I don't remember for sure.

To find who voted on the poll, DDMsgReader looks at the message headers after the poll message to find ones that have a thread_back that matches the poll's 'number' or a reply_id that matches the poll's id.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Gamgee to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 13:50:54

Well, it was a very confusing poll to begin with... :-)
Could have been worded better/more correctly.

Would you like me to explain it to you?

Nope, I understood all the ambiguous language just fine!



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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: nelgin to Digital Man on Tue Nov 19 2024 03:18 pm

Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 12:59:42

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?

"it" https://pasteboard.co/XhgpcUN39P3h.png

That's DDMsgReader. I don't know how it gets/reports that info like that.
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Nov 19 2024 02:32 pm

Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 12:59 pm

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very confused...

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?

When viewing a poll, if the poll is from you, DDMsgReader shows who voted on it. I thought the stock reader did this (which is why I had DDMsgReader do this), but it's been a while, so I don't remember for sure.

No, it does not. There are short messages sent to the author when detecting a vote, but nothing like what's shown in Nelgin's screen cap.

To find who voted on the poll, DDMsgReader looks at the message headers after the poll message to find ones that have a thread_back that matches the poll's 'number' or a reply_id that matches the poll's id.

Maybe there's a bug somewhere, as Nelgin is reporting.
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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Nov 19 2024 08:18 pm

Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Nov 19 2024 02:32 pm

Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 12:59 pm

Now there's only 5 votes but it says 8 people have voted. Very confused...

Where does "it" say that 8 people have voted?

When viewing a poll, if the poll is from you, DDMsgReader shows who voted on it. I thought the stock reader did this (which is why I had DDMsgReader do this), but it's been a while, so I don't remember for sure.

No, it does not. There are short messages sent to the author when detecting a vote, but nothing like what's shown in Nelgin's screen cap.

To find who voted on the poll, DDMsgReader looks at the message headers after the poll message to find ones that have a thread_back that matches the poll's 'number' or a reply_id that matches the poll's id.

Maybe there's a bug somewhere, as Nelgin is reporting.

Looking into this more, on Vertrauen you poll is msgnum 56809 in my sync_sys messbase (it'll be a different number in different message bases).
The message has more replies (not votes):
56810 (from me)
56814 (from you)
56815 (from Gamgee)
56816 (from Dan Clough)
56818 (from me)
56825 (from Keyop)
56832 (from you)
56834 (from Keyop)
56852 (from you)
58653 (from Gamgee)
56854 (from me)
56855 (from you)
56856 (from you)
56857 (from Nightfox)
56858 (from Gamgee)
56859 (from me)
56860 (from me)
as well as ballot replies (votes):
56811 (from Gamgee @ PALATIR)
56813 (from KrAAB @ KRAABY)
56817 (from Codefenix @ CONCHAOS)
56826 (from Nightfox @ DIGDIST)
56851 (from Janus @ HALCYON)

so... 5 votes is correct, at least here on Vertrauen. Maybe DDMsgReader is counting other non-ballot replies as votes?
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Re: Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Gamgee to nelgin on Tue Nov 19 2024 21:18:38

Nope, I understood all the ambiguous language just fine!

Maybe the question I should have asked, then, is whether you'd like some cheese to go with your whine.

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Nov 19 2024 08:18 pm

To find who voted on the poll, DDMsgReader looks at the message headers
after the poll message to find ones that have a thread_back that matches
the poll's 'number' or a reply_id that matches the poll's id.

Maybe there's a bug somewhere, as Nelgin is reporting.

Do you think that's the proper way to look for the replies/votes for the poll? I'm not sure if the bug would be with DDMsgReader or somewhere else.

Nightfox

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Re: How do you prefer your FTN packets?
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Nov 19 2024 10:36 pm

To find who voted on the poll, DDMsgReader looks at the message headers
after the poll message to find ones that have a thread_back that matches
the poll's 'number' or a reply_id that matches the poll's id.

Maybe there's a bug somewhere, as Nelgin is reporting.

5 votes is correct, at least here on Vertrauen. Maybe DDMsgReader is counting other non-ballot replies as votes?

Yeah, it looks like DDMsgReader was counting non-ballot replies. I just made a fix and a merge request.

Nightfox

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