• To pronounce it correctly, I would have to pull out your tongue.

    From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Serak the Preparer on Sat Feb 24 03:08:15 2024
    Hey Serak!

    I had to upgrade 'trans' to make this work. As of this post it is 0.9.7.1-release.

    :read !trans -list-all | sed 's/^/ trans> /'
    trans> af Afrikaans Afrikaans
    trans> sq Albanian Shqip
    trans> am Amharic አማርኛ
    trans> ar Arabic ﺔﻴﺑﺮﻌﻟﺍ
    trans> hy Armenian Հայերեն
    trans> as Assamese অসমীয়া
    trans> ay Aymara Aymar aru
    trans> az Azerbaijani Azərbaycanca
    trans> bm Bambara Bamanankan
    trans> ba Bashkir Башҡортса
    trans> eu Basque Euskara
    trans> be Belarusian беларуская
    trans> bn Bengali বাংলা
    trans> bho Bhojpuri भोजपुरी
    trans> bs Bosnian Bosanski
    trans> bg Bulgarian български
    trans> yue Cantonese 粵語
    trans> ca Catalan Català
    trans> ceb Cebuano Cebuano
    trans> ny Chichewa Nyanja
    trans> lzh Chinese (Literary) 文言
    trans> zh-CN Chinese (Simplified) 简体中文
    trans> zh-TW Chinese (Traditional) 繁體中文
    trans> cv Chuvash Чӑвашла
    trans> co Corsican Corsu
    trans> hr Croatian Hrvatski
    trans> cs Czech Čeština
    trans> da Danish Dansk
    trans> prs Dari ﯼﺭﺩ
    trans> dv Dhivehi ހިވެދި
    trans> doi Dogri डोगरी
    trans> nl Dutch Nederlands
    trans> mhr Eastern Mari Олык марий
    trans> en English English
    trans> eo Esperanto Esperanto
    trans> et Estonian Eesti
    trans> ee Ewe Eʋegbe
    trans> fo Faroese Føroyskt
    trans> fj Fijian Vosa Vakaviti
    trans> tl Filipino Filipino
    trans> fi Finnish Suomi
    trans> fr French Français
    trans> fr-CA French (Canadian) Français canadien
    trans> fy Frisian Frysk
    trans> gl Galician Galego
    trans> ka Georgian ქართული
    trans> de German Deutsch
    trans> el Greek Ελληνικά
    trans> gn Guarani Avañe'ẽ
    trans> gu Gujarati ગુજરાતી
    trans> ht Haitian Creole Kreyòl Ayisyen
    trans> ha Hausa Hausa
    trans> haw Hawaiian ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi
    trans> he Hebrew תירִבְעִ
    trans> mrj Hill Mari Кырык мары
    trans> hi Hindi हिन्दी
    trans> hmn Hmong Hmoob
    trans> hu Hungarian Magyar
    trans> is Icelandic Íslenska
    trans> ig Igbo Igbo
    trans> ilo Ilocano Ilokano
    trans> id Indonesian Bahasa Indonesia
    trans> ikt Inuinnaqtun Inuinnaqtun
    trans> iu Inuktitut ᐃᓄᒃᑎᑐᑦ
    trans> iu-Latn Inuktitut (Latin) Inuktitut
    trans> ga Irish Gaeilge
    trans> it Italian Italiano
    trans> ja Japanese 日本語
    trans> jv Javanese Basa Jawa
    trans> kn Kannada ಕನ್ನಡ
    trans> kk Kazakh Қазақ тілі
    trans> km Khmer ភាសាខ្មែរ
    trans> rw Kinyarwanda Ikinyarwanda
    trans> tlh-Latn Klingon tlhIngan Hol
    trans> gom Konkani कोंकणी
    trans> ko Korean 한국어
    trans> kri Krio Krio
    trans> ckb Kurdish (Central) ﯽﻧﺍﺭﯚﺳ
    trans> ku Kurdish (Northern) Kurmancî
    trans> ky Kyrgyz Кыргызча
    trans> lo Lao ລາວ
    trans> la Latin Latina
    trans> lv Latvian Latviešu
    trans> ln Lingala Lingála
    trans> lt Lithuanian Lietuvių
    trans> lg Luganda Luganda
    trans> lb Luxembourgish Lëtzebuergesch
    trans> mk Macedonian Македонски
    trans> mai Maithili मैथिली
    trans> mg Malagasy Malagasy
    trans> ms Malay Bahasa Melayu
    trans> ml Malayalam മലയാളം
    trans> mt Maltese Malti
    trans> mi Maori Māori
    trans> mr Marathi मराठी
    trans> mni-Mtei Meiteilon ꯃꯤꯇꯩꯂꯣꯟ
    trans> lus Mizo Mizo ṭawng
    trans> mn Mongolian Монгол
    trans> mn-Mong Mongolian (Traditional) ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ
    trans> my Myanmar မြန်မာစာ
    trans> ne Nepali नेपाली
    trans> no Norwegian Norsk
    trans> or Odia ଓଡ଼ିଆ
    trans> om Oromo Afaan Oromoo
    trans> pap Papiamento Papiamentu
    trans> ps Pashto ﻮﺘښﭘ
    trans> fa Persian ﯽﺳﺭﺎﻓ
    trans> pl Polish Polski
    trans> pt-BR Portuguese (Brazilian) Português Brasileiro
    trans> pt-PT Portuguese (European) Português Europeu
    trans> pa Punjabi ਪੰਜਾਬੀ
    trans> qu Quechua Runasimi
    trans> otq Querétaro Otomi Hñąñho
    trans> ro Romanian Română
    trans> ru Russian Русский
    trans> sm Samoan Gagana Sāmoa
    trans> sa Sanskrit संस्कृतम्
    trans> gd Scots Gaelic Gàidhlig
    trans> nso Sepedi Sepedi
    trans> sr-Cyrl Serbian (Cyrillic) Српски
    trans> sr-Latn Serbian (Latin) Srpski
    trans> st Sesotho Sesotho
    trans> sn Shona chiShona
    trans> sd Sindhi ﻱﮅﻨﺳ
    trans> si Sinhala සිංහල
    trans> sk Slovak Slovenčina
    trans> sl Slovenian Slovenščina
    trans> so Somali Soomaali
    trans> es Spanish Español
    trans> su Sundanese Basa Sunda
    trans> sw Swahili Kiswahili
    trans> sv Swedish Svenska
    trans> ty Tahitian Reo Tahiti
    trans> tg Tajik Тоҷикӣ
    trans> ta Tamil தமிழ்
    trans> tt Tatar татарча
    trans> te Telugu తెలుగు
    trans> th Thai ไทย
    trans> bo Tibetan བོད་ཡིག
    trans> ti Tigrinya ትግርኛ
    trans> to Tongan Lea faka-Tonga
    trans> ts Tsonga Xitsonga
    trans> tr Turkish Türkçe
    trans> tk Turkmen Türkmen
    trans> tw Twi Twi
    trans> udm Udmurt Удмурт
    trans> uk Ukrainian Українська
    trans> hsb Upper Sorbian Hornjoserbšćina
    trans> ur Urdu ﻭﺩُﺭﺍُ
    trans> ug Uyghur ﻰﻠﯩﺗ ﺭﯘﻐﻳﯘﺋ
    trans> uz Uzbek Oʻzbek tili
    trans> vi Vietnamese Tiếng Việt
    trans> cy Welsh Cymraeg
    trans> xh Xhosa isiXhosa
    trans> sah Yakut Sakha
    trans> yi Yiddish שידיִי
    trans> yo Yoruba Yorùbá
    trans> yua Yucatec Maya Màaya T'àan
    trans> zu Zulu isiZulu

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    -o o- o- o- -o -o o- o- o- -o -o -o o- -o o- -o
    (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) (\ /) (\
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Maþþum oþres weorð, gold mon sceal gifan.
    One treasure deserves another; gold should be given away.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Feb 24 03:54:58 2024
    Hej Maurice!

    I had to upgrade 'trans' to make this work. As of this post it is 0.9.7.1-release.

    Works for me although the msg header *NEEDS* a complete overhaul in order to properly count characters rather than bytes. Speaking for myself I see little to nothing in current standards worth salvaging.

    Oh well, not my call thank goodness.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    -o -o o- -o
    (\ (\ /) (\
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
    ... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.21(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Feb 24 08:05:48 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 03:54:58 GMT, Maurice Kinal -> Maurice Kinal wrote:

    I had to upgrade 'trans' to make this work.  As of this post it is
    0.9.7.1-release.

    Works for me although the msg header *NEEDS* a complete overhaul in order to properly count characters rather than bytes.  Speaking for myself I see
    little to nothing in current standards worth salvaging.

    Oh well, not my call thank goodness.

    Would you like another nomination to the FTSC so that everyone shuts down any attempt for you to make things better for today's standards again? :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Feb 24 14:19:15 2024
    Hey Nicholas!

    Would you like another nomination to the FTSC so that everyone
    shuts down any attempt for you to make things better for today's
    standards again? :)

    I am not convinced it will make a difference but if nominated I would accept and continue to advocate for proper change(s). If not then I'll continue along the path I've been on since forever, no nomination required. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    -o o- o- -o -o -o -o -o o- o- -o o- -o o- o- o-
    (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Weard seteð, se þe wæccendum wereð.
    He who guards against the watchmen sets a guard.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Feb 24 09:44:00 2024
    Hello Nicholas Boel!


    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 03:54:58 GMT, Maurice Kinal -> Maurice
    Kinal wrote:

    Would you like another nomination to the FTSC so that everyone shuts down any attempt for you to make things better for today's standards again? :)

    What has the current FTSC group accomplished since the last
    election? If nothing changes, what's the point in having it?



    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sat Feb 24 16:44:28 2024
    Hi August,

    On 2024-02-24 09:44:00, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    What has the current FTSC group accomplished since the last
    election? If nothing changes, what's the point in having it?

    It's not the FTSC's job to suggest changes. If you want changes, you have to implement them as a developper. And have other developpers follow your changes. If enough nodes start using those changes, it can be documented by the FTSC as current practice...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 24 16:17:50 2024
    Hej Wilfred!

    It's not the FTSC's job to suggest changes.

    You've just pointed out the first required proper change.

    If you want changes, you have to implement them as a developper.
    And have other developpers follow your changes. If enough nodes
    start using those changes, it can be documented by the FTSC as
    current practice...

    Near as I can tell that has never worked. Since the above ideaology has been forwarded, all that has been documented is total BS. I see some evidencc of this in your MSG body. ;-)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    -o o- -o o-
    (\ /) (\ /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
    ... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 24 18:00:00 2024
    Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

    It's not the FTSC's job to suggest changes. If you want
    changes, you have to implement them as a developper. And
    have other developpers follow your changes. If enough
    nodes start using those changes, it can be documented by
    the FTSC as current practice...

    But why the necessity of so many people overlooking practically
    a non-event? Do, the members have a commitment to keep their
    finger on the pulse where development is occurring?

    I'd be at least somewhat impressed if the spelling and
    grammatical mistakes in the existing documents were addressed.
    ;)

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 25 12:18:26 2024
    Hi August,

    On 2024-02-24 18:00:00, you wrote to me:

    It's not the FTSC's job to suggest changes. If you want
    changes, you have to implement them as a developper. And
    have other developpers follow your changes. If enough
    nodes start using those changes, it can be documented by
    the FTSC as current practice...

    But why the necessity of so many people overlooking practically
    a non-event? Do, the members have a commitment to keep their
    finger on the pulse where development is occurring?

    Don't ask me. Ask the FTSC. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.1
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 25 09:21:58 2024
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:44:00 -0500, August Abolins -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    What has the current FTSC group accomplished since the last
    election?   If nothing changes, what's the point in having it?

    If you re-read my message to Maurice, there was definitely some subtle sarcasm there. In fact, the *only* thing that has happened since the last election has been criticism against any new ideas and them being shut down so they don't have to do any actual work. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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  • From Aug@2:460/256 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Feb 25 19:03:50 2024
    Hi Nicholas...

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:44:00 -0500, August Abolins -> Nicholas Boel wrote:
    What has the current FTSC group accomplished since the last
    election?   If nothing changes, what's the point in having it?
    If you re-read my message to Maurice, there was definitely some subtle sarcasm there. In fact, the *only* thing that has happened since the last election has been criticism against any new ideas and them being shut down so they don't have to do any actual work. :)
    Regards,
    Nick
    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."

    I got the sarcasm. But then I was just wondering in general what they have actually done. Even fixing the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors and clarifying some of the tech lingo seems ripe for avoidance.

    --
    /|ug
    https://t.me/aabolins

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Aug on Sun Feb 25 10:23:32 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 01:03:50 +0300, Aug -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I got the sarcasm. But then I was just wondering in general what they
    have actually done. Even fixing the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors and clarifying some of the tech lingo seems ripe for avoidance.

    Some just like the way the hat looks, it seems. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Feb 25 17:39:34 2024
    Hej Nicholas!

    Some just like the way the hat looks, it seems. :)

    I still think there should badges. :-)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    o- -o o- o-
    /) (\ /) /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Feb 25 13:19:55 2024


    Some just like the way the hat looks, it seems. :)

    I still think there should badges. :-)

    Perhaps a full uniform with boots is required.
    --- AfterShock/Android 1.7.5
    * Origin: Mobile Pixel 3aXL (2:221/1.59)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 25 18:47:52 2024
    Hey August!

    Perhaps a full uniform with boots is required.

    Maybe next election. Besides boots in my size are really hard to find.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- o- -o -o o- o- o- o- -o -o -o -o -o o- -o o- /) /) (\ (\ /) /) /) /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) (\ /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Is seo forðgesceaft digol and dyrne; drihten ana wat.
    The course of the future is hidden and secret; God alone knows.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Feb 25 16:51:16 2024
    On 25 Feb. 2024 18:47, you wrote to August:

    Perhaps a full uniform with boots is required.

    Maybe next election. Besides boots in my size are really hard to find.

    Perhaps they can make an exception and let you wear open-toe boots or just sandals! ..as long as the color matches the official standard!!! :D
    --- AfterShock/Android 1.7.5
    * Origin: Mobile Pixel 3aXL (2:221/1.59)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to August Abolins on Sun Feb 25 22:04:02 2024
    Hej August!

    Perhaps they can make an exception and let you wear open-toe boots
    or just sandals!

    I am holding out for red leather Cossack boots ... and speaking of hats, those puffy black wool ones you often see Cossacks wearing.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    -o o- o- o-
    (\ /) /) /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Serak the Preparer on Wed Feb 28 01:17:42 2024
    Hey Serak!

    Here is a fine example of what would be a deal breaker to most. Me? You know better than that. Not only am I smart and good looking, I am made of tougher stuff than the typical nodlisted Fidonet sysop. :-)

    <Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t he "To pronounce it correctly, I would have to pull out your tongue." | sed 's/^ *//'
    .ךלש ןושלה תא ףולשל ךרטצא ,ןוכנ הז תא אטבל ידכ

    Note that the above is Hebrew ... or should be ... and I took the liberty of stripping out the leading spaces since a 4k terminal results in a very long line as the first character will be displayed at the end of the line and the entire line will be vastly greater that what will fit into a Subject line.

    As shown the Hebrew Subject line is exactly 46 utf-8 characters which *should* fit into a FTN Subject which can be up to 71 characters. However a byte count yeilds 82 bytes which the typical FTN abandonware will consider too long and chop off the last (actually first since Hebrew is read right to left) 12 bytes. Note I say bytes and not characters since DOS-think types cannot count straight, especially when they treat stings as numbers. Very sad.

    So much for utf-8 and FTS-5003. As is that document is sadly lacking wrt utf-8 charcters and probably should have it's own documentation in order to escape crippleware developers.

    Also there is no such thing as LATIN-1. It is the end result of some Gatesian nightmare you can never wake up from.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    o- -o o- o- -o o- o- o- -o -o -o -o o- o- o- o- /) (\ /) /) (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - You load sixteen penguins and what do you get?
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Feb 27 23:10:33 2024
    On 28 Feb. 2024 01:17, you wrote to Serak:

    <Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t he "To pronounce it correctly, I would have to pull out your tongue." | sed 's/^ *//' .?????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ?????????? ,???????? ???? ??? ???????? ??????

    Sorry, but Aftershock had trouble with it.

    So much for utf-8 and FTS-5003. As is that document is sadly lacking wrt utf-8 charcters and probably should have it's own documentation in order to escape crippleware developers.

    I have no idea. But maybe the expectation of having utf-8 is overrated in this hobby network?



    --- AfterShock/Android 1.7.5
    * Origin: Mobile Pixel 3aXL (2:221/1.59)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to August Abolins on Wed Feb 28 04:35:31 2024
    Hej August!

    maybe the expectation of having utf-8 is overrated in this hobby
    network?

    That is one way of looking at it. More reason it shouldn't be in that particular document.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    -o o- -o o-
    (\ /) (\ /)
    ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/6 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Feb 29 01:42:02 2024
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 01:17:42 GMT
    "Maurice Kinal -> Serak the Preparer" <2989@7001.153.1> wrote:

    <Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t he "To pronounce it correctly, I would have to pull out your tongue." | sed 's/^ *//'
    .ךלש ןושלה תא ףולשל ךרטצא ,ןוכנ הז תא
    אטבל ידכ

    Note that the above is Hebrew ... or should be ... and I took the
    liberty of stripping out the leading spaces since a 4k terminal results

    The hebrew letters appear to be fine under my nntp read Sylpheed.

    👍 +1

    However, an nntp reader is outside the scope of what fidonet is.


    As shown the Hebrew Subject line is exactly 46 utf-8 characters which *should* fit into a FTN Subject which can be up to 71 characters.
    However a byte count yeilds 82 bytes which the typical FTN abandonware will consider too long and chop off the last (actually first since
    Hebrew is read right to left) 12 bytes. Note I say bytes and not characters since DOS-think types cannot count straight, especially when they treat stings as numbers. Very sad.

    Solution: FTS should limit utf-8 chars only to the message body only.


    So much for utf-8 and FTS-5003. As is that document is sadly lacking
    wrt utf-8 charcters and probably should have it's own documentation in order to escape crippleware developers.

    I would tend to agree.

    Anyhow.. it seems that utf-8 was "approved" without the evidence of ample usage of utf-8.


    Also there is no such thing as LATIN-1. It is the end result of some Gatesian nightmare you can never wake up from.

    No comment.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 29 00:09:27 2024
    Hey August!

    .ךלש ןושלה תא ףולשל ךרטצא ,ןוכנ הז תא
    אטבל ידכ

    The hebrew letters appear to be fine under my nntp read Sylpheed.

    Yes and no. Notice where it split the line. That is why I didn't use it as an actual Subject and kept it in the msg_body just to ensure it would be lossless. It's one thing to strip off characters at the end of a line but when characters at the start of the line disappear, it make it more difficult to fill in the blanks.

    However, an nntp reader is outside the scope of what fidonet is.

    Agreed, and that is a good thing methinks. I've always disliked newsgroups.

    Solution: FTS should limit utf-8 chars only to the message body
    only.

    That appears to be the case. So far I seem to be the only one who has a half-assed handle on this obvious problem.

    it seems that utf-8 was "approved" without the evidence of ample
    usage of utf-8.

    More reason NOT to let developers lead the standardization process, nevermind the users of their apps. There is definetly a confict of interest, nevermind the ones who are clueless as to how things REALLY work.

    No comment.

    Heh, heh. This shouldn't be political.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.59 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Feb 28 22:48:37 2024
    On 29 Feb. 2024 00:09, you wrote to August:

    More reason NOT to let developers lead the standardization process,
    nevermind the users of their apps. There is definetly a confict of interest, nevermind the ones who are clueless as to how things REALLY work.

    Are you familiar with the UTF-8 echo? Perhaps it was set up to help promote utf-8 inclusion and use. But the chars get little to low use overall - that is why I'm surprised that utf-8 was included in a standard.

    Yeah.. double-standards and inconsistency never seems to escape the ones wearing the hats. :D
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 29 06:54:32 2024
    Hey August!

    Are you familiar with the UTF-8 echo?

    Yes I was aware of it.

    Perhaps it was set up to help promote utf-8 inclusion and use.

    That sounds reasonable.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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