Hey Zoot!

An excerpt from page 37 of "Mønti Pythøn ik den Hølie Gräilen (Bøk)";

I'm afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared with yours. We are but eightscore young blondes, all between sixteen and nineteen-and-a-half, cut off in is castle, with no-one to protect us. Ooooh. It is a lonely life ... bathing ... dressing ... undressing ... making exciting underwear ...

Word wrapped to 72 bytes with 5 byte indentation;

I'm afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared with yours.
We are but eightscore young blondes, all between sixteen and
nineteen-and-a-half, cut off in is castle, with no-one to protect us.
Ooooh. It is a lonely life ... bathing ... dressing ... undressing ...
making exciting underwear ...

Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte indentation;

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от
шестнадцати до девятнадцати с половиной лет, отрезанные от мира в своем
замке, и никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это одинокая жизнь...
купание... одевание... раздевание... изготовление захватывающего
нижнего белья...

Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати
до девятнадцати с половиной лет,
отрезанные от мира в своем замке, и
никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это
одинокая жизнь... купание... одевание...
раздевание... изготовление
захватывающего нижнего белья...

utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent to those who are truly capable.

Life is good,
Maurice

o- o- -o o- -o o- o- -o -o o- o- -o -o -o o- o- /) /) (\ /) (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - You load sixteen penguins and what do you get?
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 04:17:52 GMT
"Maurice Kinal -> Zoot" <2989@7001.153.1> wrote:

Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte indentation;

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от

Indent seems to be ok.

Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати

Looks fine.

utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent
to those who are truly capable.

Maybe the UTF-8 echo would be best for these tests.

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Hej August!

Maybe the UTF-8 echo would be best for these tests.

If I was looking to restrict tests to ONLY utf8 then I'd agree. I started the latest tests wrt creating little endian data for the headers (pkt and msg) using bash and only got sidetracked when discovering potential bugs regarding utf8 characters and word wrapping, especially right-to-left languages such as Hebrew.

This particular echoarea looks to be far less restrictive in scope which I believe is a plus in it's favour as the proper place for the usage of linux apps in today's complex and diverse network known as Fidonet ... or what is left of it.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

o- -o -o o-
/) (\ (\ /)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
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Hello Maurice,

On 14.03.24 4:17:52, you wrote:

An excerpt from page 37 of "Mønti Pythøn ik den Hølie Gräilen (Bøk)";

Translated to Russian with 72 columns of utf8 text and 5 byte
indentation;

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться очень скучной и тихой по сравнению
с вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят молодых блондинок, всем от
шестнадцати до девятнадцати с половиной лет, отрезанные от мира в своем
замке, и никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это одинокая жизнь...
купание... одевание... раздевание... изготовление захватывающего
нижнего белья...

Same as above except 72 bytes instead of columns (characters);

Боюсь, наша жизнь должна показаться
очень скучной и тихой по сравнению с
вашей. Мы всего лишь восемьдесят
молодых блондинок, всем от шестнадцати
до девятнадцати с половиной лет,
отрезанные от мира в своем замке, и
никто не может нас защитить. Оооо. Это
одинокая жизнь... купание... одевание...
раздевание... изготовление
захватывающего нижнего белья...

utf8 with multibyte columns is obviously superior but is only apparent to those who are truly capable.

Don't mind me. Just testing another FTN apparatus that mentioned utf-8 support. Looks like it works so far!

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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Hey Nicholas!

Just testing another FTN apparatus that mentioned utf-8 support.

Winpoint? I've noticed at least one in the local net that appears to get utf-8 correctly.

Looks like it works so far!

Yep. I think for something like quoting we appear to have a good handle on it. Myself I am using coreutils' fold app for the number of columns - including multibyte and good ol' sed to do the indentation. I believe these tools are supplied in a cygwin enviroment (bash too!) so it *should* perform well.

Life is good,
Maurice

o- -o o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Ælc mann þe wisdom lufaþ biþ gesælig.
Everyone who loves wisdom is blessed.
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Hello Maurice,

On 02.05.24, 19:51:50, you wrote:

Winpoint? I've noticed at least one in the local net that appears to get utf-8 correctly.

Yeah, just trying anything I can find so see what works as it should. There aren't many. :)

Yep. I think for something like quoting we appear to have a good handle on it. Myself I am using coreutils' fold app for the number of columns - including multibyte and good ol' sed to do the indentation. I believe these tools are supplied in a cygwin enviroment (bash too!) so it should perform well.

When you switch to specific languages, do you also have to switch fonts? I've definitely hit the 512 glyph limit on multiple occasions, and I don't have any GUIs on my Linux Vms. So my Windows machine is the only place I can get 99.9% utf-8, all of the time, between Thunderbird via NNTP, or this Winpoint.

... Ælc mann þe wisdom lufaþ biþ gesælig.
Everyone who loves wisdom is blessed.

Hafa a soð to syge, þonne þu secge hwæt.
Always have truth as your goal, whatever you say.

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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