Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?
Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?
I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish
the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...
[...] The liquid glass looks ugly imo. the rounded windows
are getting too round, and the dialog boxes look like they
belong on an iphone not a computer. The menu background
being completely transparent... i was really happy with
sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it
would be a pain.
Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a
mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up
freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for
substance painter etc.
Being curious what this new term "liquid glass" was all about,
I checked a view review videos. Seems to be nothing more than
another term for transparency that linux has offered for years.
Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.
things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be 'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a
hurdle that limits what software you can install on it. Normally I try
I think Apple makes some good hardware, though overall I'm not big into Apple.. I don't really like their limited offerings & limited
things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be
'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a hurdle
that limits what software you can install on it. Normally I try
Sort of, you can still install unsigned programs, but it's a bit of a pain. If you were to sell mac os apps your customers would expect them to be signed, but a lot of open souurce stuff doesn't get signed - it costs the developer money for a developer subscription that allows them to sign their apps.
I'm not especially moved by the hard ware, it's ok, but I bought a mac for the OS. I can no longer tolerate windows, and mac os was a good compromise between being able to run proprietary applications, and having a unix like base.
Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software
that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I
imagine that would have the same trouble as open-source, especially
since freeware developers wouldn't be making money from it. Or maybe
Yeah, that's another thing, I wouldn't mind seeing Mac OS be available
for any computer, but I understand why Apple wants to limit it for
their own hardware.
which I enjoy. I've considered switching away from Windows though, and
I'd probably to with Linux Mint - That's a UNIX-like base, and it runs
on any PC.
that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I
Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you update it.
Yeah, that's another thing, I wouldn't mind seeing Mac OS be available for
any computer, but I understand why Apple wants to limit it for their own
hardware.
It was for a breif period, but that was in the power pc days. But yeah, they like to control everything - I remember some mac clones, i forget the name though.
I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...
Yeah, I hate that launchpad is gone too. The liquid glass looks ugly imo. the rounded windows are getting too round, and the dialog boxes look like they belong on an iphone not a computer. The menu background being completely transparent... i was really happy with sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it would be a pain.
apam wrote to All <=-
Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?
paulie420 wrote to apam <=-
Is anyone else disappointed by macOS 26?
I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...
I really wish they'd make this an option, at least.
apam wrote to paulie420 <=-
I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish
the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...
Yeah, I hate that launchpad is gone too. The liquid glass looks ugly
imo. the rounded windows are getting too round, and the dialog boxes
look like they belong on an iphone not a computer.
The menu background
being completely transparent... i was really happy with sonoma, but i guess i can't roll back and reinstalling it would be a pain.
Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but
I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily
computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.
Ogg wrote to apam <=-
I heard that not all existing 3rd party programs are ready for
Tahoe 26.
Nightfox wrote to apam <=-
Re: Re: macOS 26
By: apam to paulie420 on Sun Sep 21 2025 12:19 am
Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer and just using the mac for substance painter etc.
I think Apple makes some good hardware, though overall I'm not big into Apple.. I don't really like their limited offerings & limited upgradability with the Mac and Apple's desire to control a lot of
things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be 'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a
hurdle that limits what software you can install on it.
Nightfox wrote to apam <=-
Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac?
things.. I've heard macOS Catalina nad later requires software to be
'notarized' in order to install it - that seems like it might be a hurdle
that limits what software you can install on it.
Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not 'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.
Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they
would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then
it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you update it.
It was for a breif period, but that was in the power pc days. But yeah, they like to control everything - I remember some mac clones, i forget
the name though.
It is, I was running debian before I bought my mac, it runs ok. I have been running linux off and on since about 98 or 99. I remember installing slackware from floppy disks haha. Linux these days I think has lost something for me, I'm not sure what, but it seems to be going in directions I don't particularly like, and seems to be less stable than before - likely due to the distros I use, but everything seems to have it's own issues. Last one was firefox continually crashing on debian.
I'm using FreeBSD at present, and that has been great.
Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not 'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.
That is sort of annoying. For a lot of the command-line-y type stuff
I run, homebrew does me well, however, without all the hassle.
People also got macOS to book on off-brand x86 hardware when Apple
was still Intel Inside(TM). I never bothered.
Linux is ... ok. It's got a huge amount of mind share behind it, but
I don't think it's all that great. The kernel is complex and bloated,
and while some parts of it are very, very good, other parts of just
plain bad. The overall experience of using it gives the impression
that it works best on the developers' laptops.
FreeBSD is ok, but similarly too bloated for my tastes. OpenBSD
probably the closest experience to using 4.xBSD on a timesharing
machine back in the day, but always seems to lag behind in terms
of hardware and third-party software support.
I still use a Mac as my workstation. It just works.
Oh well. I should have known - really regretting buying a mac now - but I need it for substance painter. Setting up freebsd as my daily computer
and just using the mac for substance painter etc.
I like it - but I'm extremely upset that Launchpad [??] is gone. I wish the new spotlight thingy could be on a keybind and my 'Windows' key
still opened Launchpad app icons like before...
By registering as a developer means you can't really write malware and sign it, because they'd know who you are. (and it costs a bit of money to register - it's probably gone up, but last time I registered it was 100$ for a year).
Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where
the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like
Linux). He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone
could probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand,
Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At
first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being
serious.
Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like Linux).
He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could
probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being serious.
Sort of related and also not - Years ago, I had a job interview where the interviewer asked me what I thought about Linux (I tend to like Linux).
He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could
probably go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed by a small team of people who are paid (and thus motivated) to make Windows a good and secure operating system. At first I didn't know if he was trolling me, but I think he was being serious.
But really who knows if linus is not an evil hacker in truth putting back doors in linux.. we know because a) he has a good reputation and b) the code can be viewed and audited.
Interesting.. Also, at least for Windows, I've seen a lot of software that isn't open-source but is freeware or shareware that you can just download and use. Is there a lot of such freeware for Mac? And I
the same way, and he was one of those guys that felt he was always
right, even if you presented facts. Didn't matter if it was computer or
He said he thought that since Linux is open-source, anyone could probably
go in and put malware into Linux; on the other hand, Windows is developed
Well people have done exactly that. It's why they have code reviewing processes by maintainers, but there's nothing stopping people trying, and they have succeded, just look at the XZ issue a while ago.
I also remember a university deliberatly submitting patches to the kernel to introduce malware - it was for "research purposes" I guess to see if they could. They got caught though and banned from submitting patches.
Your interviewer isn't wrong, as most people don't have the time or skillset to audit opensource software, so I guess it comes down to trust. Who do you trust more?
But really who knows if linus is not an evil hacker in truthputting back ap> doors in linux.. we know because a) he has a good reputation and b) the ap> code can be viewed and audited.
I don't think anyone's seriously worried about that, specifically.
I think people are more worried about him getting hit by a bus
while crossing the street: what becomes of Linux once Linus is
gone?
Oh.. is it gone? Fantastic. I was always unpinning it from my dock as
one of the first things. I'm all about spotlight to get to my apps in
the quickest way!
But really who knows if linus is not an evil hacker in truthputting back ap> doors in linux.. we know because a) he has a good reputation and b) the ap> code can be viewed and audited.
I don't think anyone's seriously worried about that, specifically.
No, I don't think so either at least not for the Linux kernel, but
smaller less popular packages maybe.
I remember reading an article about
some node-js package the US governement was using written by a russian developer. It was kind of a silly scare mongering article though.
I think people are more worried about him getting hit by a bus
while crossing the street: what becomes of Linux once Linus is
gone?
Wouldn't someone just fork it and continue? I imagine a whole bunch of people would fork it probably and it would all be fragmented for a while.
tenser wrote to apam <=-
On 23 Sep 2025 at 01:25a, apam pondered and said...
Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they
would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and security in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then
it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until you update it.
That is sort of annoying. For a lot of the command-line-y type stuff
I run, homebrew does me well, however, without all the hassle.
Linux is ... ok. It's got a huge amount of mind share behind it, but
I don't think it's all that great. The kernel is complex and bloated,
and while some parts of it are very, very good, other parts of just
plain bad. The overall experience of using it gives the impression
that it works best on the developers' laptops.
apam wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Just an extra step to install, but still runs. It just means it's not 'signed off on' by Apple, and you are acknowledging that you are doing something not 100% supported.
Not really, it means it isn't signed off by a registered developer. I'm fairly certain Apple doesn't vet individual programs unless they are submitted to the app store.
By registering as a developer means you can't really write malware and sign it, because they'd know who you are. (and it costs a bit of money
to register - it's probably gone up, but last time I registered it was 100$ for a year).
I think Linux is GREAT for getting use out of old hardware
that might otherwise be unusable...
That's what I meant by 'signed off on by Apple' - that a developer
has registered and gone through the vetting process.
apam wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I tried installing linux the other day on two different computers.. neither worked properly. One, the wireless mouse wouldn't work unless i unplugged the receiver and plugged it back in again, the nvidia drivers with the latest kernel wouldn't work - (the latest nvidia driver) once
i installed the longterm kernel and replugged the mouse in every reboot
it mostly worked.
FreeBSD runs fine on these two computers, with essentially the same software (kde plasma 6)
It used to seem that Linux ran better on newer systems, now all of my
older
systems install it without a hitch. :)
tenser wrote to apam <=-
On 23 Sep 2025 at 01:25a, apam pondered and said...
Still, for those who use a lot of opensource stuff, I would say they would be resonably tech savvy, so all you need to do when you want to allow a non signed app to run on your mac is go into privacy and secu in settings and click "Run anyway" and then enter your password. Then it's marked as allowed and you can run it as normal - at least until update it.
That is sort of annoying. For a lot of the command-line-y type stuff I run, homebrew does me well, however, without all the hassle.
It sounds annoying, for sure, but only because the 'approved'
stuff just works. I sue homebrew as well for a lot of stuff. :-)
Linux is ... ok. It's got a huge amount of mind share behind it, but I don't think it's all that great. The kernel is complex and bloated and while some parts of it are very, very good, other parts of just plain bad. The overall experience of using it gives the impression that it works best on the developers' laptops.
I think Linux is GREAT for getting use out of old hardware
apam wrote to jimmylogan <=-
I tried installing linux the other day on two different computers.. neither worked properly. One, the wireless mouse wouldn't work unless unplugged the receiver and plugged it back in again, the nvidia drive with the latest kernel wouldn't work - (the latest nvidia driver) onc i installed the longterm kernel and replugged the mouse in every rebo it mostly worked.
It used to seem that Linux ran better on newer systems, now all of my older systems install it without a hitch. :)
FreeBSD runs fine on these two computers, with essentially the same software (kde plasma 6)
I've grumbled about wanting a system that doesn't lend itself to too
much eye candy and temptation to customize it. I think that NetBSD with
a decent old-school WM might be just the thing. :)
Except, work is pulling me into MicrosoftLand(tm). I'm now running M365
for 300 users, running 50 or so servers in Azure... Maybe going all
linux at home would be just the thing for defining boundaries between
work and play? :)
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I have it running like a top on a 870 mobo, 9950x3d processor, rtx 5090 gpu. It runs amazingly on new hardware :)
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