I think the idea is to buy less. I don't want to generate more e-waste
than I need to.

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I think the idea is to buy less. I don't want to generate more e-waste

Yep I think as a general rule we should try to consume less. I also don't think the economy can keep growing indefinitely in a world with finite resources. The model is broken.

-BH

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bithaven wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

Yep I think as a general rule we should try to consume less. I also
don't think the economy can keep growing indefinitely in a world with finite resources. The model is broken.

The book "The mote in God's Eye" had an interesting side story
contrasting the civilization of the Moties (as they were called) with
Humanity. The Moties were resource-poor, and their civilization
reached a plateau. Nothing was sacred as everything was torn down and
re-used. They didn't understand monuments.

It's been years, I'm going from memory. I think it's time for a
re-read.



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The book "The mote in God's Eye" had an interesting side story
contrasting the civilization of the Moties (as they were called) with

At first I thought the Moties were a real civilization, then I saw the book and realized it was SciFi. :) Got the sample, will check it out.

-BH

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The book "The mote in God's Eye" had an interesting side story
contrasting the civilization of the Moties (as they were called) wit

At first I thought the Moties were a real civilization, then I saw the book and realized it was SciFi. :) Got the sample, will check it out.

-BH

Its a great book, thoroughly recommend. The contrast between humans and Moties, and the philosophical implications of how the Moties have evolved and run into dead ends repeatedly is quite interesting.

The Moties, are in some way, a victim and a slave of their own evolutionary process, something that does apply to us as well.

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Its a great book, thoroughly recommend. The contrast between humans and Moties, and the philosophical implications of how the Moties have

It may not be directly related, but reading your message conjured up in my mind images of The Three-Body Problem, where civilizations tried repeatedly to find the key to their survival, and not fall into the same "dead ends", as you say.

It must be a popular book, if 2 people in our small community already know about it. Sounds definitely interesting, and am excited to pick it up!

-BH

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Re: Re: Buy less, generate less e-waste
By: bithaven to boraxman on Sun Apr 19 2026 07:41 am

Its a great book, thoroughly recommend. The contrast between humans and Moties, and the philosophical implications of how the Moties have

It may not be directly related, but reading your message conjured up in my mind images of The Three-Body Problem, where civilizations tried repeatedly to find the key to their survival, and not fall into the same "dead ends", as you say.

It must be a popular book, if 2 people in our small community already know about it. Sounds definitely interesting, and am excited to pick it up!

-BH

Read it many years ago, when it was a new release (LOL). A good book. Really wish we could invent a frictionless toilet.
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boraxman wrote to bithaven <=-

Its a great book, thoroughly recommend. The contrast between humans
and Moties, and the philosophical implications of how the Moties have evolved and run into dead ends repeatedly is quite interesting.

Science fiction is a great vehicle for providing social commentary by
contrasting humanity to other civilizations. There's a series of books
by Robert Sawyer, starting with Hominids. It's about a crossover
between universes where Neanderthals became the dominant species. Man
and Neanderthal get a chance to travel between universes.

Their civilization is hunter/gatherer, not agrarian - so families
stayed small and generations were pushed out to find their own hunting
territory. Overall population was a fraction of our world as a result,
the family unit was communal, and the tricky bit - they didn't believe
in an afterlife, so who you were and how you were rewarded was based on
your behavior in this world. Surveillance was everywhere, and people
basically carried body cams. They had a hard time understanding people
who acted immorally in the name of religion with the premise that there
was an afterlife where you'd be rewarded.

The Moties, are in some way, a victim and a slave of their own evolutionary process, something that does apply to us as well.

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bithaven wrote to boraxman <=-

It may not be directly related, but reading your message conjured up in
my mind images of The Three-Body Problem, where civilizations tried repeatedly to find the key to their survival, and not fall into the
same "dead ends", as you say.

I thought the same thing - I've wanted to read the 3bp books, but
haven't had a chance.

It must be a popular book, if 2 people in our small community already
know about it. Sounds definitely interesting, and am excited to pick it up!

Definitely recommend. It's a classic written as a collaboration by a
very successful author collaboration between Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle. They write great immersive science fiction.

They wrote a sequel, "The Gripping Hand", and Pournelle's daughter
wrote an authorized sequel, "Outies".

Niven and Pournelle are wonderful writers on their own. Together,
they wrote Lucifer's Hammer, Oath of Fealty and Footfall, all books I
loved as a kid.




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