https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWZ5kgu17cbcC

Thanks! Will be checking this out as soon as I get on from the other
machine ;).

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The industry sure made a big outcry of lost monies when mp3
emerged. But their industry was NOT overly affected at all.
Plenty of profits were still being made.

Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell you that the record companies and publishing companies get most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's why so many big bands still tour. It's their only way to make any money.

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On 03 Apr 2023, Alonzo said the following...

Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can

Read an article this morning entitled 'Is there too much music?'

I have used companies like Tunecore et al in the past to manage some of my songs and havr them distributed on-line for a fee of course. During the Covid years as many as 6000 songs/day were being submitted to them. Somewhere on Spotify (I believe) there is place you can go and listen to many of them, most with not a single stream. It was interesting albiet kinda sad.

Mickey

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Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell you that the record companies and publishing companies get most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's why so many big
bands still tour. It's their only way to make any money.

Can confirm, am related to one of the corporate suits sucking money out of the talent :( and one of the frontmen for a famous metal band is a good friend of mine, and he has to run a side hustle to make ends meet. It doesn't seem like a super glamorous lifestyle these days :( He was arguing with his label when they tried taking a bigger cut of merchandise, evidently that was the big thing still keeping them afloat. The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive not by changing things internally, but actually by further screwing over the artists. Sad.

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Th other side of the music coin is this...

I ahve been playing as a semi-pro musician since 1970 or so... and I make
he same money ($100/night) that I made in 1970... just playing in bar
bands doing cover tunes... that is a travesty.

during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the
mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not cash.
I told that mfker that I had been playing in the same band for 30 years..
I had PLENTY of experience!!! We left without playing a note... hahah he
was pissed! f' him!

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Hi Bf2K+,

during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not

Nothing beats experience, except getting paid for having it!.. *-)



\/orlon
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Stephen


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Its those 360 deals :(

I usually try to patronize the merch tent so it can encourage the band to come back to my region of the world or state again.


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The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive

I read an interesting article, for CD sales the two biggest takers were the producer and the distribution network about 30% each. The artist gets a percentage but they have to pay for basically everything else advertising, freebies to raido stations, hire of the studios and the staff, and all the other costs of producing a CD. I believe the take for the artists is around 1-2% of the cost of the CD depending on the artist of course.

The big money maker for the artist is the live shows and merch at the shows. Depending on the artists they can get 50-60% or more of the ticket sales and all the merch sales.

Of course if you're not a touring artist then you're kind of screwed.

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during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not cash.

Oh yeah. They're always trying to play this trick. Sometimes they will tell you that your gig is a "audition" and if you pass the audition, you MAY get to play for money sometime. The best thing to do is leave, like you did. Another trick bar owners play is to tell you that before you can get paid, you have to draw in a certain number of people. Then, of course it's all on you to get people to come to the show and then magically you don't seem to draw in enough people to get paid.

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Hello Alonzo!

** On Monday 03.04.23 - 16:59, Alonzo wrote to Ogg:

...I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell
you that the record companies and publishing companies get
most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's
why so many big bands still tour. It's their only way to
make any money.

I had the impression that most tours are NOT profit makers.
There are lighting, multimedia, staging, insurance, roadie
costs.. etc.

Ticket systems are another joke/ripoff. They allow large groups
of tickets to be sold and then those same tickets get scalped
to desparate fans. The performer doesn't get the benefit of
the increased prices.

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